No respect for for the line...
 

Hi all,

This has always bothered me (anal as I am).

Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing
(say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there
and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in
the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4.
It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft
ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again,
back to the MS to trim "a hair".

Still doesn't fit right.

OK, another hair...then another....

It's kind of funny every time I think about it.

Next time, I use a sharper pencil.

I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the
line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing).

I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now.

Still no respect for the line.

Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
I respect that any more?

Thank the Lord I don't have to do this for a living!

Lou

loutent (in ) said:

| Still no respect for the line.
|
| Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
| I respect that any more?

Well, if you use a knife you might as well cut to the mark since it
can't be erased. Challenge yourself to make every saw kerf remove just
the waste side of the mark - it's possible, but not as easy as it
sounds (pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and
crude).

Don't buy one of the Lee Valley French-made ebony-handled marking
knives! I bought one and it's absolutely useless. It's so beautiful
that I just can't bring myself to actually use it - I use my old
pocket knife instead.

FWIW, being AR might be an asset when your goal is a fine, exact fit.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:32:24 -0400, loutent wrote:

Hi all,

This has always bothered me (anal as I am).

Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
be cut, I never have confidence in it.

.....snip....

no respect for the line.

Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
I respect that any more?

you'll have to. the knife has already started the cut for you....

"loutent" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

This has always bothered me (anal as I am).

Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing
(say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there
and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in
the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4.
It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft
ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again,
back to the MS to trim "a hair".

Still doesn't fit right.

OK, another hair...then another....

It's kind of funny every time I think about it.

Next time, I use a sharper pencil.

I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the
line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing).

I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now.

Still no respect for the line.

Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
I respect that any more?



Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. If not that, a
mechanical pencil will work just as well. Lot easier to sharpen too.


--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

Well at least you don't cut too much off.

"loutent" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

This has always bothered me (anal as I am).

Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing
(say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there
and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in
the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4.
It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft
ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again,
back to the MS to trim "a hair".

Still doesn't fit right.

OK, another hair...then another....

It's kind of funny every time I think about it.

Next time, I use a sharper pencil.

I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the
line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing).

I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now.

Still no respect for the line.

Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
I respect that any more?

Thank the Lord I don't have to do this for a living!

Lou

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.
1. The act or state of preceding; precedence.
2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the
wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on
the axis.
3. Astronomy.
1. Precession of the equinoxes.
2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the
ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon,
and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge.




4 entries found for precision.
1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness.
2.
1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently
reproduced.
2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been
reliably measured.


adj.

1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision
tool.
2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision
components.
3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing.

In article ,
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

(pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and
crude).

I'm always game for a new toy, but other than a rotating laser level to
install a counter, cabinets or wainscoting, I have found lasers on mitre
saws a complete waste of time. The lighter the colour of the wood, the
fatter the line. Useless.
I always have a proper Staedtler pencil sharpener in my pocket. I use 2H
pencils to mark my line and I get good results. I only go up and down
that ladder 2 or 3 times, as opposed to the usual 6 or 7.

When the weather cools off, I sometimes use a mechanical pencil as I
then have a pocket for it. In summer, the lighter wooden pencil lives on
my ear.
So much so, that when I'm on the phone, and somebody wants to leave me a
number, I reach for my ear...even though there may not be a pencil
there...much to the entertainment of my daughter.

Be bold. Be daring.

Next time you have some cheap little trim piece to cut mark a pencil
line and learn to split the line with the saw blade. Cut on the waste
side for best results.

Once you have been successful once , the next time it is easier.

I'm with Robatoy. I use #2 pencils all the time for just about
everything. They are so cheap at the dollar store and when the back to
school sales go on that I stock up.

They have to be wood; NO plastic or composite. Must be #2, and I like
the round ones when I can find them but 'ol yeller works fine.

I keep a small pen knife that is razor sharp (aka: splinter removal
tool) for sharpening my pencils. If I need something hair fine, I put
that point on the pencil and usually get two marks out of it before
resharpening. Who cares if you burn a pencil or two a day?

I sounds like you just need more consistent practice and you will be
fine cutting your marks.

Robert

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.
1. The act or state of preceding; precedence.
2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the
wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on
the axis.
3. Astronomy.
1. Precession of the equinoxes.
2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the
ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon,
and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge.




4 entries found for precision.
1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness.
2.
1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently
reproduced.
2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been
reliably measured.


adj.

1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision
tool.
2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision
components.
3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing.


Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
spell checking errors?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

wrote:
I'm with Robatoy. I use #2 pencils all the time for just about
everything. They are so cheap at the dollar store and when the back to
school sales go on that I stock up.

They have to be wood; NO plastic or composite. Must be #2, and I like
the round ones when I can find them but 'ol yeller works fine.

I keep a small pen knife that is razor sharp (aka: splinter removal
tool) for sharpening my pencils. If I need something hair fine, I put
that point on the pencil and usually get two marks out of it before
resharpening. Who cares if you burn a pencil or two a day?

I sounds like you just need more consistent practice and you will be
fine cutting your marks.

Robert

I'm sympathetic to the esthetic appeal of using a real wood pencil, but
I've become quite fond of using a cheap (few dollars for a dozen) .5 mm
mechanical pencil. It stays sharp all the time and marks a fairly fine
line. Yes, you'll break the lead frequently, but you can feed more out
with one hand and keep going.

I use a .7mm when I don't need the precision. It doesn't break as
easily.

The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Tom

In article . com,
wrote:

The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?

I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:17:41 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?

I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

Yeah, I believe the same about rap... and every time I think about it
or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
etc., etc.
Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

On 14/09/2005 10:17 AM, Robatoy wrote:

Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?

I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

Actually, God gave us nearsightedness so that we'd have to wear glasses
behind which we could stick a pencil. It must be my ears, but I find
that the glasses work *way* better.

Chris wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.

....snip definitions of precession and precision....



Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
spell checking errors?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.




well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
is relevant to your post.

do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?

On 14 Sep 2005 10:35:27 -0700, wrote:


Chris wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.

...snip definitions of precession and precision....



Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
spell checking errors?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.




well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
is relevant to your post.

do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?

Not really other than to ask what "considerion" means. Neither
www.dictionary.com nor my F&W lists it ;-)

Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

Never could understand how Dad couldn't like the music of the swing
era and Benny Goodman and others!

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:33:50 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:17:41 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?

I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

Yeah, I believe the same about rap... and every time I think about it
or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
etc., etc.
Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:

[schnippered]

Yeah, I believe the same about rap...

Actually, it must be very difficult to spew that much bull**** in 3
minutes and have people actually buy it.

and every time I think about it
or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
etc., etc.

Buffalo Springfield was way up on my list in those days. Their music
still appeals to me.
CCR, on the other hand, is a different story. Not their fault. But so
many really bad bar-bands butchered Proud Mary etc., that I couldn't
even stand the opening chord of any CCR after a while. A total burn-out.
Besides, my head made a left turn in there somewhere and started
listening to The Doors, Hendrix, Who.... that kinda stuff.

Now back to our regular programming.

Robatoy wrote:[snip] Buffalo Springfield was way up on my list in those
days. Their music
still appeals to me.
CCR, on the other hand, is a different story. Not their fault. But so
many really bad bar-bands butchered Proud Mary etc., that I couldn't
even stand the opening chord of any CCR after a while. A total burn-out.
Besides, my head made a left turn in there somewhere and started
listening to The Doors, Hendrix, Who.... that kinda stuff.

Now back to our regular programming.

Clapton is god.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:23:22 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On 14 Sep 2005 10:35:27 -0700, wrote:


Chris wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.

...snip definitions of precession and precision....



Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
spell checking errors?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.




well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
is relevant to your post.

do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?

Not really other than to ask what "considerion" means. Neither
www.dictionary.com nor my F&W lists it ;-)

Dave Hall

hee hee...
thanks. I guess I had that coming....

: )

On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.


no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, s wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, s wrote:

On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:


On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:


Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.


Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?
No, Zappa is dead. God is still God ...

On 14 Sep 2005 21:18:53 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, s wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Yngwie is a plagiarist?

yep. took 16th century classical music, arranged it for heavy metal
instrumentation and claimed to have written it.




And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

you'll have to ask god about that one.

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, s
wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

Yngwie ripped off Nicolo Paganini's caprices and violin concertos.
If you even hear them back to back, your chin will drop.
That's not to say that Malmsteen doesn't have amazing technique, he has
to have to play stuff like caprice # 5... but he is a plagiarist....IF
he claims to have written any of that baroque stuff he plays....

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

Clapton is highly overrated... IMHO.
Cream was cool...Clapton got to be a bit of a bore.

BUT!

Live in Hyde Park is one of my absolute favourite DVD's (Gadd on
drums....YES!!)

Hell... it's all good when it sounds good...cuz if it sounds good, it
*IS* good. (I think Glen Miller said that.)

I have to confess to be a bit of a Joe Walsh fan...hehehehe...

Dog is god (and my co pilot!)
max

On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.


no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:45:24 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

Clapton is highly overrated... IMHO.
Cream was cool...Clapton got to be a bit of a bore.

BUT!

Live in Hyde Park is one of my absolute favourite DVD's (Gadd on
drums....YES!!)

Hell... it's all good when it sounds good...cuz if it sounds good, it
*IS* good. (I think Glen Miller said that.)

I have to confess to be a bit of a Joe Walsh fan...hehehehe...

You got those all night laundrymat blues, do ya?

Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:


I have to confess to be a bit of a Joe Walsh fan...hehehehe...

You got those all night laundrymat blues, do ya?

I've seen him work. He's nuts. Non-conventional, very musical and
creative. I'm not sure he could ever play anything anybody else wrote,
all-in-all a showman who happens to play his guitar expertly--- his way.
Similar to Moon as a drummer...the best 'Keith Moon Style' drummer there
ever was.
In terms of 'expert' guitar playing, it happens to be people who play
stuff I don't particularly care for..like Segovia, Kotke...... hell..
even Ricky Skaggs.
I also like the 'sleepers'...people you'd never associate with guitar
playing.
Sarah McLaughlin's version of Blackbird floored me the other day. That
girl can play.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:30:48 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, s
wrote:

no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

Yngwie ripped off Nicolo Paganini's caprices and violin concertos.

Not to mention...damn. What are those guitar exercises really called?
I always called them "The Arpeggios from Hell" but was regularly
corrected. Some Italian guy from the 17th century or so...

If you even hear them back to back, your chin will drop.

Maybe Paganini was reading from the same Arpeggios book?

That's not to say that Malmsteen doesn't have amazing technique, he has
to have to play stuff like caprice # 5... but he is a plagiarist....IF
he claims to have written any of that baroque stuff he plays....

Note that I also didn't take exception to the "pretentious" part. I
mean, he's not nearly as bad as that guy from U2, but he certainly has
an ego.

Damn fast fingers, though. Oy - this is interesting:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc...ical_music.htm
(mind the wrap)

Some of these are blisteringly freaking obvious, like "Hall of the
mountain king" (the who, 1968) was inspired by the Peer Gynt Suite. No
****? Whooda thunkit? But yeah, some of them are surprising. Oh, and
Yngwie is in there...

Anyone remember the guitar exercises I'm trying to think of the name
for?

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:11:32 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:


I have to confess to be a bit of a Joe Walsh fan...hehehehe...

You got those all night laundrymat blues, do ya?

I've seen him work. He's nuts. Non-conventional, very musical and
creative. I'm not sure he could ever play anything anybody else wrote,

He plays those Eagles tunes pretty well, even those recorded long
before he was part of the band ;-)

all-in-all a showman who happens to play his guitar expertly--- his way.
Similar to Moon as a drummer...the best 'Keith Moon Style' drummer there
ever was.
In terms of 'expert' guitar playing, it happens to be people who play
stuff I don't particularly care for..like Segovia, Kotke...... hell..
even Ricky Skaggs.

Now, now, I like Ricky... but then the older I gets the more country
music and Bluegrass I listen too. Alison Krause and Union Station is a
current favorite and The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (currently elder
statesmen of country) has been a favorite since the early 70's. Much
of country is 70's rock with a southern accent.

I also like the 'sleepers'...people you'd never associate with guitar
playing.
Sarah McLaughlin's version of Blackbird floored me the other day. That
girl can play.
Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

In article ,
Dave Hall wrote:

but then the older I gets the more country
music and Bluegrass

When I re-married (two years ago this Oct 18) one of the songs at the
wedding was; In Spite Of Ourselves by John Prine and Iris DeMent.
I have all of Prine's records and DVD's.
Alison Kraus' I Will was another song that was played.
That stuff is in a class by itself.
A little Lyle..sometimes even some John Anderson comes over these
loudspeakers. *G*
I like all well-done music.
Is Stevie Ray Vaughn considered 'country'?...=o]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
onwards was no comparison to Cream.

Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.

But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:13:38 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
onwards was no comparison to Cream.

Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.

But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.

Hendrix is god...and Satriani is his prophet.

Lee

In article ,
Lee DeRaud wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:13:38 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn wrote:

Clapton is god.

Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
onwards was no comparison to Cream.

Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.

But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.

Hendrix is god...and Satriani is his prophet.

Lee

Steve Vai, Al DeMeola. Gary Moore, Jeff Beck are all in my collection.
Satriani is only mildly entertaining.
Pete Townsend is entertaining, and The Who the best
damned rock-band that ever lived.
That leaves us with Ry Cooder, SRV, etc.
Some of my favourites include Peter Green and Brian May.

Most highly overrated:

The Edge.."THE Edge"... of U-2 and that asshole from Metallica.

Robatoy wrote:
[snip]
Steve Vai, Al DeMeola. Gary Moore, Jeff Beck are all in my collection.
Satriani is only mildly entertaining.
Pete Townsend is entertaining, and The Who the best
damned rock-band that ever lived.
That leaves us with Ry Cooder, SRV, etc.
Some of my favourites include Peter Green and Brian May.

Most highly overrated:

The Edge.."THE Edge"... of U-2 and that asshole from Metallica.

Jeez Robatoy, you really shouldn't equivocate so much. LOL. ;-)
And anyway nobody has mentioned Keith Richards, Merle Travis, Chet
Atkins, etc. Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s. Layla rules.
mahalo,
jo4hn

In article , jo4hn
wrote:

Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.

I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
Damn pollution.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article , jo4hn
wrote:

Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.

I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
Damn pollution.

Some sort of smoke, was it?

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
In article , jo4hn
wrote:

Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.

I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
Damn pollution.

Some sort of smoke, was it?

It was one of those rare occasions that the wind was coming from the
East...... over Amsterdam, unfiltered.