since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.

"bjarthur" wrote in message
oups.com...
since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.


I don't have and have never used a Record so I can't compare. I do have the
Lee Valley vice and it works well for me.

"bjarthur" wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.


I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have been
generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)

http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...?itemID=103185
&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iPr oductID=103185

Patriarch

"bjarthur" wrote in message
oups.com...
since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.


i did not know what a record vise was
dont know like you said if record does not make them any more.
BUT did a google search "record vise" found plenty for sale.

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"bjarthur" wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
:

since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.


I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have been
generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)

http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...?itemID=103185
&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iP roductID=103185

Patriarch

Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like? i.e.,
how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is that the
center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with a pin through
it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will eventually cause
the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will come loose from the frame
rods -- not a good thing.




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"Larry and Lois" wrote in message

i did not know what a record vise was


Now that CDs have pretty much taken over, very little market for record
vices.

I bought a large inexpensive vise from Woodcraft and it was a piece of junk.
Made in China. I think it was 12 inches wide.
Dave

Mark & Juanita wrote in
:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"bjarthur" wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
:

since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any
suggestions as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's
quick-release steel bench vises look almost identical. does anyone
have any experience with those that can recommend them? are there
any other makes i should consider? thanks.


I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have
been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)

http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...in.jsp?itemID=
10318
5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iPr oductID=103185

Patriarch

Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
i.e.,
how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is
that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with
a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will
eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will
come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.


I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under the
bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy and
secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some sort of
threaded bushing for the screw.

If you're really interested, the support folks at Garret Wade are
usually able to answer questions pretty well. They have been selling
this one for a while now...

Patriarch,
spending more time on carpentry than fine woodworking this week...

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 23:52:05 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote in
:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

"bjarthur" wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
:

since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any
suggestions as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's
quick-release steel bench vises look almost identical. does anyone
have any experience with those that can recommend them? are there
any other makes i should consider? thanks.


I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have
been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)

http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...in.jsp?itemID=
10318
5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iPr oductID=103185

Patriarch

Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
i.e.,
how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is
that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with
a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will
eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will
come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.


I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under the
bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy and
secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some sort of
threaded bushing for the screw.

Yeah, my terminology wasn't the best. If you take a look at the picture
in http://www.neofill.com/ItemId/B0000223R4/image, you can see how the
screw is captured against the two frame rails by a retaining plate. That
plate in back obscures the retaining mechanism for the screw. The screw
has a through-hole in back, through which a pin is inserted. That pin is
used to retain the screw against the back plate. There-in lies the rub (pun
intended); when turning the screw, the retaining pin rotates and rubs
against the retaining plate. I have only had my vise installed for the past
4 years and don't use the vise on a daily or even weekly basis, but the pin
has already worn the retaining plate such that the retaining plate has
disengaged itself on several occasions from the frame rods. When that
happens, the screw is unable disengage the vise (or tighten for that
matter). In addition to the obvious irritation of having to re-attach the
retaining plate, this repair is diabolical in that the retaining plate is
just waiting for the operator to get his fingers in just the right place
before re-engaging the frame rods such that some skin is captured between
the retaining plate and frame rods.

It seems as if either some kind of thrust bearing or threaded bushing
would be a much more robust retention mechanism, particularly for a part
that is *intended* to rotate.




If you're really interested, the support folks at Garret Wade are
usually able to answer questions pretty well. They have been selling
this one for a while now...

Patriarch,
spending more time on carpentry than fine woodworking this week...



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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"bjarthur" wrote in message
since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
consider? thanks.

What size were you looking for? General has a 7" vise (95-700) on sale for
$99 (CA funds I believe) that looks half decent. Don't have any personal
experience with their vise, but if it's of the quality that most of their
other products are, then it should be fairly decent.

http://www.general.ca/pagetitre/ang/vises.html

Also, for those that are interested, General has done a complete revamp of
their website as well as adding a number of new products.

larry and lois: i did a similar search for "record vise" before i
posted, and everything on which i clicked through said that the item
was no longer available. i'm specifically looking for a woodworkers
vise, similar to the record #52 or #52-1/2. can you post a specific
link to a supplier of this?

edwin: what's a CD?

Mark & Juanita wrote in
news
snip

I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and
have been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)

http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/...in.jsp?itemID=
10318
5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iPr oductID=103185

Patriarch

Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
i.e.,
how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The
one weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago
is that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer
with a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate
and will eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer
plate will come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.


I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under
the bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy
and secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some
sort of threaded bushing for the screw.

Yeah, my terminology wasn't the best. If you take a look at the
picture
in http://www.neofill.com/ItemId/B0000223R4/image, you can see how
the screw is captured against the two frame rails by a retaining
plate. That plate in back obscures the retaining mechanism for the
screw. The screw has a through-hole in back, through which a pin is
inserted. That pin is used to retain the screw against the back
plate. There-in lies the rub (pun intended); when turning the screw,
the retaining pin rotates and rubs against the retaining plate. I have
only had my vise installed for the past 4 years and don't use the vise
on a daily or even weekly basis, but the pin has already worn the
retaining plate such that the retaining plate has disengaged itself on
several occasions from the frame rods. When that happens, the screw
is unable disengage the vise (or tighten for that matter). In
addition to the obvious irritation of having to re-attach the
retaining plate, this repair is diabolical in that the retaining plate
is just waiting for the operator to get his fingers in just the right
place before re-engaging the frame rods such that some skin is
captured between the retaining plate and frame rods.

It seems as if either some kind of thrust bearing or threaded
bushing
would be a much more robust retention mechanism, particularly for a
part that is *intended* to rotate.



The Garret Wade version is more substantially engineered.

Patriarch

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:54:45 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:

Mark & Juanita wrote in
news
snip

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The Garret Wade version is more substantially engineered.

Patriarch

Thanks, I'm going to keep that in mind in the future. Doesn't look like
the Record is going to be the last vise I buy in my lifetime. :-(




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Highland Hardware has vises by Anant that they claim are made from the
same tooling as the old Record vises - check out highlandhardware.com
or
http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com...OD&ProdID=6251
I haven't used these, but noticed them in their catalog.

Andy wrote:
Highland Hardware has vises by Anant that they claim are made from the
same tooling as the old Record vises - check out highlandhardware.com
or
http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com...OD&ProdID=6251
I haven't used these, but noticed them in their catalog.

The operative word was Anant. It means Indian crap. YMMV, but I doubt
it.

Dave in Fairfax
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Anant that they claim are made from the
same tooling as the old Record vises

I'd believe George Bush before I believed that

Paramo are the usual current Sheffield alternative to Record (there's a
good tale as to why). A Parkinson's Perfect (old, no longer made) is
generally regarded as more substantial than either.

wrote:
Anant that they claim are made from the
same tooling as the old Record vises

I'd believe George Bush before I believed that

It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold part
and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should this be any
less likely?

OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball instead of
a wheel) went out of production because only one mould existed and it
broke -(

PC Paul wrote:
It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold part
and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should this be any
less likely?
OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball instead of
a wheel) went out of production because only one mould existed and it
broke -(

There is more to making a tool than the casting it was made with.
Quality of materials, or lack thereof, finish, and in the case of cast
iron, allowing it to season before selling, just to mention a few.
Anyone who has everseen an Anant plane knows the quality of their work.

Dave in Fairfax
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wrote:
Paramo are the usual current Sheffield alternative to Record (there's a
good tale as to why). A Parkinson's Perfect (old, no longer made) is
generally regarded as more substantial than either.

Where are Paramo vices sold? When I did a search last, I found that
they weren't, just like the Records. I have a Record and and old
Columbian, pre-Wilton, but a Paramo would be nice for comparison.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax wrote:
PC Paul wrote:
It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold
part and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should
this be any less likely?
OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball
instead of a wheel) went out of production because only one mould
existed and it
broke -(

There is more to making a tool than the casting it was made with.
Quality of materials, or lack thereof, finish, and in the case of cast
iron, allowing it to season before selling, just to mention a few.
Anyone who has everseen an Anant plane knows the quality of their
work.


I do know what you mean. I was just backing up the 'using the same moulds'
bit...

Wrong materials, bad finishing etc. makes all the difference...