My home is for sale. moving further East Mesa closer to work. Shop matches
the house and is a nice size. About 26' by 32' deep. I had both a
woodworking shop and metalworking shop in it. Nice Devilbiss 2 stage air
compressor goes with it as well as a nice home made dust collection system.
Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

Some pics of the shop can be seen on my web page:
http://members.cox.net/escarcega

Contact my agent for more information or further interest.
Glenn Loper, let him know Marty referred you.
http://www.glennloper.com

Marty Escarcega wrote:
My home is for sale. moving further East Mesa closer to work. Shop matches
the house and is a nice size. About 26' by 32' deep. I had both a
woodworking shop and metalworking shop in it. Nice Devilbiss 2 stage air
compressor goes with it as well as a nice home made dust collection system.
Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

Some pics of the shop can be seen on my web page:
http://members.cox.net/escarcega

Contact my agent for more information or further interest.
Glenn Loper, let him know Marty referred you.
http://www.glennloper.com


405 k for 1/2 acre in THAT section of Mesa?

Not bloody likely.

"Steve Decker" wrote in message

Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the
home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

405 k for 1/2 acre in THAT section of Mesa?

Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI F**kingSD ...
the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I pay for ONE MONTH on
2800sf!!

.... and his shop is TWICE the size of mine!

As they say, if there was logic in this world, it would have been the men
who rode sidesaddle.

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Last update: 7/23/05

"Swingman" wrote in
:


Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI
F**kingSD ... the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I
pay for ONE MONTH on 2800sf!!

I left DFW after 13 years and moved to Denver in '98.
My house size tripled but my house payment only went up by 50% or so.
No it wasn't an ARM that was the contributing factor -- it was property
taxes.

With no state income tax - the money's gotta come from somewhere.

"Patrick Conroy" wrote in message
"Swingman" wrote in

Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI
F**kingSD ... the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I
pay for ONE MONTH on 2800sf!!

I left DFW after 13 years and moved to Denver in '98.
My house size tripled but my house payment only went up by 50% or so.
No it wasn't an ARM that was the contributing factor -- it was property
taxes.

With no state income tax - the money's gotta come from somewhere.

I welcome a state income tax providing the property tax goes ... at least
that way you could hold elected politicians accountable for tax increases
instead of a non-elected appraisal district which can effectively double
your taxes every five years based on inflated appraisal rates.

Wanna bet I get NO more services in return for my 1300% higher taxes than
that guy in AZ or, for that matter, a similar size house in Muleshoe, TX?

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Last update: 7/23/05

"Swingman" wrote in message

I welcome a state income tax providing the property tax goes ... at least
that way you could hold elected politicians accountable for tax increases
instead of a non-elected appraisal district which can effectively double
your taxes every five years based on inflated appraisal rates.

Accountable? Accountable to me means forcing someone to take responsibility
and immediately act on that responsibility or out they go. When was the last
time an elected politician was immediately accountable for some action or
indiscretion? Only accountability that affects a politician is forcing him
out during the next election if the notoriously short memories of the voters
last that long.

Accountability in a politician? HAH!

"Upscale" wrote in message
"Swingman" wrote in message

I welcome a state income tax providing the property tax goes ... at
least
that way you could hold elected politicians accountable for tax
increases
instead of a non-elected appraisal district which can effectively double
your taxes every five years based on inflated appraisal rates.

Accountable? Accountable to me means forcing someone to take
responsibility
and immediately act on that responsibility or out they go. When was the
last
time an elected politician was immediately accountable for some action or
indiscretion? Only accountability that affects a politician is forcing him
out during the next election if the notoriously short memories of the
voters
last that long.

Accountability in a politician? HAH!

With the politician you have a chance at accountability, with the
non-elected appraisal district you have absolutely none.

I would gladly pay my money and take my chances ... would beat the hell
outta what goes down now.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/23/05

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:54:16 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

"Steve Decker" wrote in message

Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the
home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

405 k for 1/2 acre in THAT section of Mesa?

Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI F**kingSD ...
the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I pay for ONE MONTH on
2800sf!!


You pay over $14k in taxes for a house in Houston? When I left Dallas 6
years ago, I was only paying $2700 for 1 year on a 1600 SF home.

If anybody buys that house at $405k, the property taxes aren't going to
be what is currently being paid -- In AZ they can't tax on speculative
value of the property, but if the house sells for $405k, it will be
appraised there, and the new owner is going to be paying significantly
more. I'm too tired to look it up, but let me put it this way, don't think
that just because there is *also* a state income tax that property taxes
are much lower than in states with no state income tax.



... and his shop is TWICE the size of mine!

As they say, if there was logic in this world, it would have been the men
who rode sidesaddle.



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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Mark & Juanita wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:54:16 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

"Steve Decker" wrote in message

Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the
home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

405 k for 1/2 acre in THAT section of Mesa?

Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI F**kingSD ...
the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I pay for ONE MONTH on
2800sf!!


You pay over $14k in taxes for a house in Houston? When I left Dallas 6
years ago, I was only paying $2700 for 1 year on a 1600 SF home.

If anybody buys that house at $405k, the property taxes aren't going to
be what is currently being paid -- In AZ they can't tax on speculative
value of the property, but if the house sells for $405k, it will be
appraised there, and the new owner is going to be paying significantly
more. I'm too tired to look it up, but let me put it this way, don't think
that just because there is *also* a state income tax that property taxes
are much lower than in states with no state income tax.



... and his shop is TWICE the size of mine!

As they say, if there was logic in this world, it would have been the men
who rode sidesaddle.



Jeez. Those taxes just choke me up. I've got a small frame house 1200
SF) on just under 2 acres. Small frame shop (also 1200 SF). Lessee. 65'
x 15' storage shed for mowers and crap like that. Taxes? I've been
bitching because this year they'll hit $600. The rise is going to be
continuous and fast, though. Too many new services. The area is no
longer truly rural, shifting to upscale suburban (cheapest new house
now goes for about 150K, but lakeside stuff is on the high side of a
million bucks).

If taxes rise too much, we'll sell out and move further into the
mountains.

Charlie Self wrote:
Mark & Juanita wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:54:16 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"Steve Decker" wrote in message


Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the

home

has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

405 k for 1/2 acre in THAT section of Mesa?

Damn, we must have gold plated sewer lines here in Houston/HI F**kingSD ...
the taxes for ALL of 2004 on the above are less than I pay for ONE MONTH on
2800sf!!


You pay over $14k in taxes for a house in Houston? When I left Dallas 6
years ago, I was only paying $2700 for 1 year on a 1600 SF home.

If anybody buys that house at $405k, the property taxes aren't going to
be what is currently being paid -- In AZ they can't tax on speculative
value of the property, but if the house sells for $405k, it will be
appraised there, and the new owner is going to be paying significantly
more. I'm too tired to look it up, but let me put it this way, don't think
that just because there is *also* a state income tax that property taxes
are much lower than in states with no state income tax.




... and his shop is TWICE the size of mine!

As they say, if there was logic in this world, it would have been the men
who rode sidesaddle.



Jeez. Those taxes just choke me up. I've got a small frame house 1200
SF) on just under 2 acres. Small frame shop (also 1200 SF). Lessee. 65'
x 15' storage shed for mowers and crap like that. Taxes? I've been
bitching because this year they'll hit $600. The rise is going to be
continuous and fast, though. Too many new services. The area is no
longer truly rural, shifting to upscale suburban (cheapest new house
now goes for about 150K, but lakeside stuff is on the high side of a
million bucks).

If taxes rise too much, we'll sell out and move further into the
mountains.

G'day all,
I gather by "Taxes" you are referring to what we in Oz call "Rates".
These are imposed by the local council. In Kalgoorlie I have a 1/4 acre
block with a 4 bedroom 1 study home along with the shed and am paying
just over $1000.00 per year in Council Rates. The State obtains it's
revenue by collecting land tax, Vehicle registration, Driver's licences
and a 10% GST (Goods and Services Tax) on almost every item purchased
and every service paid for. plus a myriad of other hidden levies.
At least when I'm on my death bed I can feel good about keeping a bloody
politician in wages.
Regards
John

in 1223420 20050730 120248 John B wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:

Jeez. Those taxes just choke me up. I've got a small frame house 1200
SF) on just under 2 acres. Small frame shop (also 1200 SF). Lessee. 65'
x 15' storage shed for mowers and crap like that. Taxes? I've been
bitching because this year they'll hit $600. The rise is going to be
continuous and fast, though. Too many new services. The area is no
longer truly rural, shifting to upscale suburban (cheapest new house
now goes for about 150K, but lakeside stuff is on the high side of a
million bucks).

If taxes rise too much, we'll sell out and move further into the
mountains.

G'day all,
I gather by "Taxes" you are referring to what we in Oz call "Rates".
These are imposed by the local council. In Kalgoorlie I have a 1/4 acre
block with a 4 bedroom 1 study home along with the shed and am paying
just over $1000.00 per year in Council Rates. The State obtains it's
revenue by collecting land tax, Vehicle registration, Driver's licences
and a 10% GST (Goods and Services Tax) on almost every item purchased
and every service paid for. plus a myriad of other hidden levies.
At least when I'm on my death bed I can feel good about keeping a bloody
politician in wages.

That's nothing (apologies to Monty Python).
I have 1/6 acre in Southern England with a medium-sized 3-bedroom detached
house. I pay 1400 GBP (multiply by 1.75 for USD) in local taxes plus 70 quid for
water and 170 quid for sewage. VAT is 17.5% (Timber isn't cheap, either!)

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message

You pay over $14k in taxes for a house in Houston?

Just at ... appraisal's have been rising for the past ten years until they
are now punishing to the point that private property is no longer, in
essence, "private" ... it belongs to the state ... as in the
penalty/punishment for failing to pay after the due date was recently set at
$1,000/day..

To cap it off, you should see the mutil-story Taj Mahal the Harris County
Appraisal District has built for itself with these revenues.

more. I'm too tired to look it up, but let me put it this way, don't
think
that just because there is *also* a state income tax that property taxes
are much lower than in states with no state income tax.

That's a possibility, but it is frightening to consider that someone
actually thinks the average American with a property tax burden based on
unrealistic, soaring real estate values could afford both.

I pay taxes, obviously lots of taxes (over 50% of those taxes go to a school
district which is bogged down in a top heavy administration educated beyond
its intelligence, racism, rampant cheating, and bi-lingual bull****) ... I
just don't like paying more for the _same_, or in the case of the HISD,
better service elsewhere, that cost someone else far less because of
location in the same state.

Back on topic, I was going to replace my old shop building with a new one
this year. But after running the figures, it is not worth the added increase
in property taxes ... to me its a cryin' damn shame that even enters the
equation.

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Last update: 7/23/05

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:30:36 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message

You pay over $14k in taxes for a house in Houston?

Just at ... appraisal's have been rising for the past ten years until they
are now punishing to the point that private property is no longer, in
essence, "private" ... it belongs to the state ... as in the
penalty/punishment for failing to pay after the due date was recently set at
$1,000/day..


Wow. Can't imagine how anyone could afford house payments and taxes that
are nearly equivalent -- Actually, my mortgage payment is less than $1k per
month.

You have filed homestead exemption haven't you?





+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
Wow. Can't imagine how anyone could afford house payments and taxes
that
are nearly equivalent -- Actually, my mortgage payment is less than $1k
per
month.

You have filed homestead exemption haven't you?

Of course ...

Property taxes hereabouts have increased 150% in the past ten years, 100% in
the past seven. The *******s are clever ... they've worked it where it's
hard to finger a single factor/culprit, otherwise there would be blood
running in the streets about now.

Never saw much point in retiring and it's a damn good thing ... especially
now that you've got to work harder in your 60's than you did at 40 just to
pay the burgeoning cost of local government.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/23/05

Marty Escarcega wrote:
My home is for sale. moving further East Mesa closer to work. Shop matches
the house and is a nice size. About 26' by 32' deep. I had both a
woodworking shop and metalworking shop in it. Nice Devilbiss 2 stage air
compressor goes with it as well as a nice home made dust collection system.
Large lot, nearly a half acre with flood irrigation. Interior of the home
has been remodeled. Much more information:
http://tinyurl.com/87n5n
Priced at current appraisal of $405K

Some pics of the shop can be seen on my web page:
http://members.cox.net/escarcega

Contact my agent for more information or further interest.
Glenn Loper, let him know Marty referred you.
http://www.glennloper.com

Geez! We are getting the screws put to us here in NJ. North Jersey my
property taxes are $8200 for 2200 sf 1/2 acre property 20 year old
home. Some towns are getting as much as $18,000 (yes that's per calader
year) for same sf home with half to full acre of land. I need to get
out of this state.....

writes:


Geez! We are getting the screws put to us here in NJ. North Jersey my
property taxes are $8200 for 2200 sf 1/2 acre property 20 year old
home. Some towns are getting as much as $18,000 (yes that's per calader
year) for same sf home with half to full acre of land. I need to get
out of this state.....

Man, I don't pay $18,000 a year in all taxes! My income is well over $50k
and my house just appraised at $325k. I could never afford a house if my
property taxes were $1500 a month.

I live in a Minneapolis, MN suburb and my property taxes are $2800 this
year. Too many people complained about property taxes so the state
changed school funding about six years ago. On the old plan my taxes
would probably be $3600 to $4000.

Brian Elfert

Geez! We are getting the screws put to us here in NJ. North Jersey my
property taxes are $8200 for 2200 sf 1/2 acre property 20 year old
home. Some towns are getting as much as $18,000 (yes that's per calader
year) for same sf home with half to full acre of land. I need to get
out of this state.....

Yes you do, that $18,000 would cover 1/2 a decade here in the Chicago burbs.

Not to rub salt in the wound, but how's the car insurance rates in the
Garden State?

jlc

I had the same thought. My mortgage is less than $1K/month too. But then I
have a tiny little house with a tiny little shop and tiny little tools.
D*mnit.

Wow. Can't imagine how anyone could afford house payments and taxes that
are nearly equivalent -- Actually, my mortgage payment is less than $1k
per
month.

Greetings and Salutations...

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:37:02 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"Upscale" wrote in message
"Swingman" wrote in message

I welcome a state income tax providing the property tax goes ... at
least
that way you could hold elected politicians accountable for tax
increases
instead of a non-elected appraisal district which can effectively double
your taxes every five years based on inflated appraisal rates.

Accountable? Accountable to me means forcing someone to take
responsibility
and immediately act on that responsibility or out they go. When was the
last
time an elected politician was immediately accountable for some action or
indiscretion? Only accountability that affects a politician is forcing him
out during the next election if the notoriously short memories of the
voters
last that long.

Accountability in a politician? HAH!

With the politician you have a chance at accountability, with the
non-elected appraisal district you have absolutely none.

I would gladly pay my money and take my chances ... would beat the hell
outta what goes down now.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/23/05


I would agree. If Politicians were truly held
accountable, then, we would likely not have the 95% or so
reelection rate that we do have.
Also, perhaps there would be fewer laws that
are focused purely on either increasing the power that
the politicians have over us; the amount of cash
they can suck out of our pockets; or sweetheart
deals for their buddies.
For what it is worth, about the last bit
of woodworking I have managed to do recently is
to glue up some support blocks out of 2x6 stock,
to raise up the truck for clearance to make
it easier to put in a new clutch fork. Seems
that the penny-pinching at Ford in 1999 had ended
up with a rash of lightly made forks that had
a nasty tendency to break.
Regards
Dave Mundt