Not really. :-) It's a Herb Circle that SWMBO wants me to build. It's
an outdoor herb garden made with 12 slightly tapered 3' redwood 2x12
planks buried in a 12' circle flush with the ground. She found the
design in a gardening magazine.

The magazine article says, "To prevent cupping and warping score the
bottom of each plank with several 1/8" cuts using a circular saw."

My question is, does this really work?

TIA, Vince

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Vince Heuring wrote:
Not really. :-) It's a Herb Circle that SWMBO wants me to build. It's
an outdoor herb garden made with 12 slightly tapered 3' redwood 2x12
planks buried in a 12' circle flush with the ground. She found the
design in a gardening magazine.

The magazine article says, "To prevent cupping and warping score the
bottom of each plank with several 1/8" cuts using a circular saw."

My question is, does this really work?

Sure! And it decreases the friction when they slide against the
metal in the ground. Just remember to lap them to .0001. %-)

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Vince Heuring wrote in
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Not really. :-) It's a Herb Circle that SWMBO wants me to build.
It's an outdoor herb garden made with 12 slightly tapered 3' redwood
2x12 planks buried in a 12' circle flush with the ground. She found
the design in a gardening magazine.

The magazine article says, "To prevent cupping and warping score the
bottom of each plank with several 1/8" cuts using a circular saw."

My question is, does this really work?

TIA, Vince


She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

The last time I priced all heart redwood 2x12's, I about choked. And
it's a 90 minute drive from here to the Redwood Empire, at least
according to the highway signs, so freight isn't the problem. And
redwood sapwood doesn't have the rot resistance for which one seeks
redwood in the first place.

The redwood is going to last about ten years or so, at least in my
raised bed gardens. It's going to cup anyway, pretty much whatever you
do. I mean, one side is dry, and the other is buried in dirt that you
get wet three times a week, minimum. My advice is to price the redwood,
then ask your wife if she wants the garden that badly. Proceed
according to your best judgement.

Those precast concrete cobblestones make a nice herb garden.

Patriarch

On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:13:11 -0500, the inscrutable Patriarch
spake:

Vince Heuring wrote in
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Not really. :-) It's a Herb Circle that SWMBO wants me to build.
It's an outdoor herb garden made with 12 slightly tapered 3' redwood
2x12 planks buried in a 12' circle flush with the ground. She found
the design in a gardening magazine.

The magazine article says, "To prevent cupping and warping score the
bottom of each plank with several 1/8" cuts using a circular saw."

My question is, does this really work?

TIA, Vince


She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like that,
given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.


The last time I priced all heart redwood 2x12's, I about choked. And

Yeah, take your portable defib to the lumber yard for large decking
lumber. You'll need it.


it's a 90 minute drive from here to the Redwood Empire, at least
according to the highway signs, so freight isn't the problem. And
redwood sapwood doesn't have the rot resistance for which one seeks
redwood in the first place.

It's not as bad up here as it was in CA.


The redwood is going to last about ten years or so, at least in my
raised bed gardens. It's going to cup anyway, pretty much whatever you
do. I mean, one side is dry, and the other is buried in dirt that you
get wet three times a week, minimum. My advice is to price the redwood,
then ask your wife if she wants the garden that badly. Proceed
according to your best judgement.

Excellent idea. Also, rebarred concrete block makes a nice platform.
Use a green concrete stain on it to blend it into the landscape once
it's up and filled.


Those precast concrete cobblestones make a nice herb garden.

I just plant my basil in the ground-level garden with the rest of the
goodies. My tenbuhten will have cantaloupe, buttercrunch lettuce,
spaghetti squash, radishes, carrots, basil, broccoli, green beans,
Oregon sugar pod peas, cabbage, and okra, all from seed. I picked up a
packet of "mixed herbs" free at the home improvement store in town a
couple weeks ago. It contains dill (ick), sweet marjoram, summer
savory, and Italian basil, so I might give it a couple square feet,
too. I'll till tomorrow and put last year's drip irrigation back into
use again. What a difference in plant growth and lack of weeds!


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Larry Jaques wrote in
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snip
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like that,
given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.


I didn't say it was smart, just that it was published in a known rag back
then. Lotsa stupid stuff said & done in the Seventies.

Patriarch

Patriarch wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote in
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snip
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like that,
given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.


I didn't say it was smart, just that it was published in a known rag back
then. Lotsa stupid stuff said & done in the Seventies.

Other than being butt-ugly, I'd be real surprise to find a significant
problem if simply were washed thoroughly initially. Many large tires
were used as the rim for cattle water tanks for a while--they don't get
bent easily as do metal ones. They became less popular mostly because
they're just too heavy to move around.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:21:03 -0500, Patriarch wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
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snip
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like that,
given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.

I didn't say it was smart, just that it was published in a known rag back
then. Lotsa stupid stuff said & done in the Seventies.

Thing about the tires - if they're leaching, why are they used for
retaining walls in Golden Gate Park, Larry?

Dave Hinz wrote in
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:21:03 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
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snip
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like
that, given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.

I didn't say it was smart, just that it was published in a known rag
back then. Lotsa stupid stuff said & done in the Seventies.

Thing about the tires - if they're leaching, why are they used for
retaining walls in Golden Gate Park, Larry?


So you're telling us they are completely safe, and the tire disposal fee
and hazardous waste disposal fee and the rest of the handling taxes imposed
here in California are bogus? Who would have thought?

I guess you just can't trust politicians these days... ;-)

Patriarch

On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:21:03 -0500, the inscrutable Patriarch
spake:

Larry Jaques wrote in
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snip
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

I find it hard to believe that MEN would publish something like that,
given all the chemicals which leach out of the old tires.


I didn't say it was smart, just that it was published in a known rag back
then. Lotsa stupid stuff said & done in the Seventies.

Oh, yeah. Everyone was still "coming down" from the Sixties.


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In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

cantaloupe, buttercrunch lettuce,
spaghetti squash, radishes, carrots, basil, broccoli, green beans,
Oregon sugar pod peas, cabbage, and okra

The chocolate bar I bought at the health food store had all that in
it....

On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:11:05 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
spake:

In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

cantaloupe, buttercrunch lettuce,
spaghetti squash, radishes, carrots, basil, broccoli, green beans,
Oregon sugar pod peas, cabbage, and okra

The chocolate bar I bought at the health food store had all that in
it....

urk That was no chocolate bar, son.

Ever look at one of those power or health bar thingies? Crikey,
there's so much sugar in one of them it puts me into sugar shock just
looking at it. What misnomers!


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In article 6,
says...
She should read the old Mother Earth News articles, and plant in
recycled tires painted white... :-)

Gee. MON must have taken tips from my long deceased mother. She planted
tires back in the '30s and '40s. Of course, come to think of it, so did
everyone else in the neighborhood :-).

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On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:13:44 -0600, Vince Heuring
wrote:

Not really. :-) It's a Herb Circle that SWMBO wants me to build. It's
an outdoor herb garden made with 12 slightly tapered 3' redwood 2x12
planks buried in a 12' circle flush with the ground. She found the
design in a gardening magazine.

I have to agree with Patriarch here. Build it out of something
cheaper like paving stones or something. Even 2x12 spf will last many
years and you can just build another when it starts to go.

I learned my lesson building a compost bin for my wife. I thought
treated would get chemicals in the compost and pine or fir wouldn't
last..... ah ha, redwood. I ordered out some 2x4 and some 1x8 and
built a pretty nice bin with two hinged lids and fronts that slide out
for shoveling and everyone was happy. Then, the material bill came.
I had built the most expensive compost bin known to man! Ten years
later, it's still out there and every spring I get reminded of how
much it cost!
When it finally falls apart, I'm buying her a roll of chicken wire.:-)

Mike O.

Mike wrote:


Ten years
later, it's still out there and every spring I get reminded of how
much it cost!

Amortized over 10 years, it's probably the lowest cost compost bin on
the planet, especially if you use your current labor rate, which is
based on your years of experience building quality compost bins, to
build a replacementG.

Lew

On Tue, 17 May 2005 04:07:38 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Amortized over 10 years, it's probably the lowest cost compost bin on
the planet, especially if you use your current labor rate, which is
based on your years of experience building quality compost bins, to
build a replacementG.

When someone asks "How much did it cost to build that?" and I tell
them.....this weird look comes across their face.
It's that "Your out of your freakin mind!" look.g
Nobody else ever wanted me to build em one.

Mike O.

Mike wrote in news:5mtk81hij3ll4ctpqlqal171juf619k75a@
4ax.com:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 04:07:38 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Amortized over 10 years, it's probably the lowest cost compost bin on
the planet, especially if you use your current labor rate, which is
based on your years of experience building quality compost bins, to
build a replacementG.

When someone asks "How much did it cost to build that?" and I tell
them.....this weird look comes across their face.
It's that "Your out of your freakin mind!" look.g
Nobody else ever wanted me to build em one.

Mike O.


Then whatever number you gave them was a 'good number'.

I have a $3500 (materials only) garden shed that gets the same sort of
response. Why does a garden shed _need_ a leaded glass entry door? :-)

Patriarch

On Tue, 17 May 2005 19:25:13 -0500, Patriarch
wrote:


Then whatever number you gave them was a 'good number'.

LOL... Good point!

I have a $3500 (materials only) garden shed that gets the same sort of
response. Why does a garden shed _need_ a leaded glass entry door? :-)

You did that on purpose?? g

Mike O.

Vince Heuring wrote:

I have to agree with Patriarch here. Build it out of something
cheaper like paving stones or something.

snip

SFWIW, one of the recent This Old House episodes covered using cobble
stones imbedded in concrete to construct an herb garden.

Think it will be around a while.

Lew

On Tue, 17 May 2005 04:11:35 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Not easy for building compost tumblers though....

SFWIW, one of the recent This Old House episodes covered using cobble
stones imbedded in concrete to construct an herb garden.

Think it will be around a while.

Lew

Mike wrote in news:uvoi819tou7ja4tr3m46lov4epcq8qr5ci@
4ax.com:
snip
I learned my lesson building a compost bin for my wife. I thought
treated would get chemicals in the compost and pine or fir wouldn't
last..... ah ha, redwood. I ordered out some 2x4 and some 1x8 and
built a pretty nice bin with two hinged lids and fronts that slide out
for shoveling and everyone was happy. Then, the material bill came.
I had built the most expensive compost bin known to man! Ten years
later, it's still out there and every spring I get reminded of how
much it cost!

My compost bin has a concrete block back wall, and recycled redwood side
boards. I'm fortunate that 'fast composting' works well here, though.
Even a modest output of shavings from the planer or lathe seems to fill it
up quickly.

Lew's right. Think of it in terms of labor invested ten years ago, when
you were younger & stronger. The returns are that you don't have to
rebuild any time soon.

Patriarch