in 1195402 20050404 191802 "foggytown" wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:
On 3 Apr 2005 13:10:06 -0700, Charlie Self
wrote:
Anyone have any insight--got a spam email offering low cost
software,
but the curious part, is that it was followed by "monkeying
hardware"
as part of the headline.

Is there some kind of reason for that, and other gibberish, that
these
halfwits spout?

They're trying to defeat bayesian filters by making the subject line
and message look less spammish. That's why some of the spam now has
excerpts of normal text at the end, or other techniques.

Death penalty for spammers. It's the best way.


And it's humane, too. Puts them out of their misery.

It's time for a new name. The spammers who fill my in-tray with offers
of wondrous things at least have the motive of personal gain. I can understand
and almost respect that. But the idiots who blitz a newsgroup with thousands
of rubbish posts are something quite different and should have their own label
(but I can't think of anything appropriate).

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:37:31 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:

It's time for a new name. The spammers who fill my in-tray with offers
of wondrous things at least have the motive of personal gain. I can understand
and almost respect that.

Hm. I put them in the same category as spyware advertisers, virus
writers, and microsoft developers. But I repeat myself.

But the idiots who blitz a newsgroup with thousands
of rubbish posts are something quite different and should have their own label
(but I can't think of anything appropriate).

Far as I know, it falls under "trolls" - a person who disrupts a group in
an effort to make it unusable and/or to get attention.

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Dave Hinz wrote:

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From: Dave Hinz
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: OT Inside spammers' heads?
Date: 4 Apr 2005 19:09:06 GMT
Organization: cis.dfn.de

Dave, you always been posting through Germany? Never noticed before.
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Dave Hinz wrote:

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From: Dave Hinz
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: OT Inside spammers' heads?
Date: 4 Apr 2005 19:09:06 GMT
Organization: cis.dfn.de

Dave, you always been posting through Germany? Never noticed before.

Couple of years, since I got away from dial-up at home. I'm actually logged
into one of my servers in Milwaukee, but use the news.individual.net
newsserver.

Um, why do you ask?

Dave

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

Um, why do you ask?

Just curious. Do you live in Germany, WI or Timbuktu?
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:51:51 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC wrote:
In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

Um, why do you ask?

Just curious. Do you live in Germany, WI or Timbuktu?

WI. I just subscribe to the German server because I'm kind of my own ISP,
and didn't want to pay for a supernews feed. I take an ala-carte approach
to connectivity - my DNS comes from one place, my email through another,
my bandwidth from a third, and my newsfeed from a fourth. Probably a
combination of factors - I tend to overcomplicate things for the hell of it,
but also I usually am not happy with the default options given. That, and
it's alot like my real job to put interesting/complex things together
and get them working.

Dave Hinz

Dave Hinz notes:
Hm. I put them in the same category as spyware advertisers, virus
writers, and microsoft developers. But I repeat myself.

I got a letter this morning from a woman writer in India, offering me,
as editor (which I am not), her production. At 2 cents per word.

I don't know for sure it's spam, but I cannot imagine how she got my
name as an editor, unless she's grabbing lists from everywhere and
mailing off the same clip and resume to them all.

For the uninitiated, 2 cents a word in the U.S. is an insult. Half a
buck a word is barely enough to let you make a living. So now we have
some new spamming for outsourcing, of technology writing, at less than
5% of a sensible rate.

A wondrous thing. I think not. Of course, this time it gored my ox.

On 5 Apr 2005 07:42:12 -0700, Charlie Self wrote:
Dave Hinz notes:
Hm. I put them in the same category as spyware advertisers, virus
writers, and microsoft developers. But I repeat myself.

I got a letter this morning from a woman writer in India, offering me,
as editor (which I am not), her production. At 2 cents per word.

I don't know for sure it's spam, but I cannot imagine how she got my
name as an editor, unless she's grabbing lists from everywhere and
mailing off the same clip and resume to them all.

Well, if it's unsolicited, and commercial, and email, then that's
spammy enough for me. It might be _targeted_ spam, but what you
have there still seems like an oddly gelatinous pork-derived meat
extract product to me.

For the uninitiated, 2 cents a word in the U.S. is an insult. Half a
buck a word is barely enough to let you make a living. So now we have
some new spamming for outsourcing, of technology writing, at less than
5% of a sensible rate.

Isn't that wonderful.

A wondrous thing. I think not. Of course, this time it gored my ox.

spamcop.net has a good free spam reporting tool that non-members can
use; not only reports to the ISP, but to the upstream, and helps
to populate known spam account/domain lists. If nothing else, you can
use it to learn how to parse the headers to see which ones are
real, which are fake, and how to find out where it's really really from.

Dave

Charlie Self wrote:
I got a letter this morning from a woman writer in India, offering
me,
as editor (which I am not), her production. At 2 cents per word.

For the uninitiated, 2 cents a word in the U.S. is an insult. Half a
buck a word is barely enough to let you make a living. So now we have
some new spamming for outsourcing, of technology writing, at less
than
5% of a sensible rate.

A wondrous thing. I think not. Of course, this time it gored my ox.

Welcome to the new world order. Those stinking Indians are out to steal
all our jobs, and the coorporate leaders are smiling all the way to the
bank, as the USA gets raped.

Charlie Self wrote:
Dave Hinz notes:
Hm. I put them in the same category as spyware advertisers, virus
writers, and microsoft developers. But I repeat myself.

I got a letter this morning from a woman writer in India, offering
me,
as editor (which I am not), her production. At 2 cents per word.

I don't know for sure it's spam, but I cannot imagine how she got my
name as an editor, unless she's grabbing lists from everywhere and
mailing off the same clip and resume to them all.

Spamming is so cheap (for the spammer that is) that it makes little
economic sense for spammers to narrowly target their spew.

The primary concern that spammers have when editing their lists
is to remove flamer, persons known to complain, especially if the
flamer's email address is on the spammers' host.

Want to know where your spam is coming from? Check out

http://www.spamhaus.org.

Check out the spammers hosted by Verizon and MCI.

News.admin.net-abuse.email is where spam, spammers, and anti-spam
get cussed and discussed.

--

FF

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:

in 1195402 20050404 191802 "foggytown" wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:
On 3 Apr 2005 13:10:06 -0700, Charlie Self
wrote:
Anyone have any insight--got a spam email offering low cost
software,
but the curious part, is that it was followed by "monkeying
hardware"
as part of the headline.

Is there some kind of reason for that, and other gibberish, that
these
halfwits spout?

They're trying to defeat bayesian filters by making the subject line
and message look less spammish. That's why some of the spam now has
excerpts of normal text at the end, or other techniques.

Death penalty for spammers. It's the best way.


And it's humane, too. Puts them out of their misery.

It's time for a new name. The spammers who fill my in-tray with offers
of wondrous things at least have the motive of personal gain. I can understand
and almost respect that. But the idiots who blitz a newsgroup with thousands
of rubbish posts are something quite different and should have their own label
(but I can't think of anything appropriate).



Those who do it think they're a wit. they're half right. grin