A point to ponder...

Why do we see only bowls on the web sites?

Why no chairs like the fabulous turned chair I saw at the Royal Ontario=20
Museum?

The more it changes - the more it stays the same

http://www.hinet.net.au./~mdarlow/Articles.htm

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Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw

Try my site. Not many bowls!

--
Art Ransom
Lancaster , Texas

www.turningaround.org

Art Ransom wrote:
Try my site. Not many bowls!


The grizzly was pretty darn good. Was that you that fought it for the fish?

Oh... nice columns too... LOL

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Will
Occasional Techno-geek

"WillR" wrote in message
. ..
A point to ponder...

Why do we see only bowls on the web sites?

Why no chairs like the fabulous turned chair I saw at the Royal Ontario
Museum?

Because a chair is normally considered furniture, though some I've seen
would leave you hard-pressed to determine which end was designed for your
butt. Makes it art.

WillR wrote:
Why do we see only bowls on the web sites?

A very interesting question. I have long been amazed at the bowl-centric
attitudes in many online discussions. On numerous occassions I have seen
discussions where it is assumed by many that the topic is bowl turning
unless explicitly stated otherwise.

But getting back to your point about websites, I guess it depends which
websites one looks at, or perhaps which ones we pay attention to, or
which ones make a memorable impression on us. Art has already cited his
website, and I did note that his bowls were hidden in a section titled
'too labor intensive to sell'

My own website has a fair share of spindle turned items, and visitors to
my studio will find even more that haven't yet made it to the website. I
would hazard a guess and say that 80% of my sales are spindle turnings,
most certainly because of the price breaks. Much of that could of course
be labelled treen rather than art, which is fine since I have always
considered myself a 'designer' rather than an 'artist'.

I agree with Mike Darlow when he says that the popularization of
woodturning was driven by vessel turners and hence the interest in this
area of turning. No doubt the tool manufacturers helped to further the
cause when they saw the potential for marketing new types of tools and
equipment specially designed for this type of work.

In my early days I was certainly attracted by the possibilities of being
able to create stunning vessels. I have little doubt that it is the
striking visual impact of such work that instills the desire to create
something similar. Very few spindle turnings have this same powerful impact.

There really has been little recent development in spindle turning, the
exceptions perhaps being inside-out turning (is involuted the correct
term?) and multi-axis work. While these both have a considerable visual
impact, I have some reservations about where they will go.

Most examples that I have seen (there are some exceptions of course) are
primarily of interest in terms of how the heck was it done? The
aesthetics of the final piece are often questionable - I don't recall
many that I would want to own and look at on a daily basis. They do make
good projects to feature in magazines for turners looking for new
challenges, but largely they haven't got past that stage. One reason I
think is some of the technical challenges they present, the other
perhaps is the intellectual challenge of design. My few experiments with
multi-axis work have only gone as far as trying the techniques and
puzzling over how I could make something that looks nice.

Maybe I need to make 2005 my Year of the Spindle. Anyone care to join me?

--
Derek Andrews, woodturner

http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com
http://chipshop.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toolrest/

Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put them
in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some indication
of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell chairs for much under
$1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of jigs, tools, space and
technology to make.

Derek Hartzell wrote:
Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put them
in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some indication
of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell chairs for much under
$1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of jigs, tools, space and
technology to make.



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and shelving
- stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?



--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:38 -0500, WillR
wrote:

Derek Hartzell wrote:
Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put them
in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some indication
of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell chairs for much under
$1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of jigs, tools, space and
technology to make.



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and shelving
- stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?

Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j



mac

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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:38 -0500, WillR
wrote:


Derek Hartzell wrote:

Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put them
in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some indication
of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell chairs for much under
$1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of jigs, tools, space and
technology to make.



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and shelving
- stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?


Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j



mac

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Ken does indeed make some nice stuff.

But now I am tempted to copy it and the turning gods will probably have
me imprisoned for plagiarism... sigh. Hope they serve good food in the
cells...



--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

WillR wrote:

Derek Hartzell wrote:
Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put
them in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have
a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some
indication of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell
chairs for much under $1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of
jigs, tools, space and technology to make.



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and
shelving - stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?

Too busy making and selling it?

Lobby Dosser wrote:
WillR wrote:


Derek Hartzell wrote:

Making chairs involves a lot of work and require high prices that put
them in the affordability range of very few people. Unless you have
a factory...

The change in demand between a $50 bowl and a $150 bowl is some
indication of this price point effect. I wouldn't want to sell
chairs for much under $1000 dollars. They would take a multitude of
jigs, tools, space and technology to make.



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and
shelving - stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?


Too busy making and selling it?

That is my suspicion -- it seems more more more -- gee I dunno -- the
kinda-stuff-you'd-make-to-sell?

You may be onta sumpin' here... LOL

You get my vote! Unless I hear different...

--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

WillR wrote:
Why no chairs like the fabulous turned chair I saw at the Royal Ontario
Museum?

This just in from Google:

Women's artistry highlights Woodworkers Showcase
The Saratogian - Saratoga,NY,USA
.... Klein, well-known in woodturning, is displaying a stool made of
hand-tooled tiger maple. All the legs and spindles are turned, according
to Goddard. ...

http://tinyurl.com/6sfx6 =
http://www.saratogian.com/site/news....A G=461&rfi=9

--
Derek Andrews, woodturner

http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com
http://chipshop.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toolrest/

WillR wrote:

Lobby Dosser wrote:
snip

Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and
shelving - stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?


Too busy making and selling it?

That is my suspicion -- it seems more more more -- gee I dunno -- the
kinda-stuff-you'd-make-to-sell?

You may be onta sumpin' here... LOL

If I was onta sumpin', I wouldn't be here. )


You get my vote! Unless I hear different...

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:57:05 -0500, WillR
wrote:


Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and shelving
- stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?


Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j


Ken does indeed make some nice stuff.

But now I am tempted to copy it and the turning gods will probably have
me imprisoned for plagiarism... sigh. Hope they serve good food in the
cells...

yep.. I've copied so many of Ken's ideas that the print outs must be an inch
thick... sanding box, ring clamp, biscuit jointer jig, etc., etc., etc...



mac

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mac davis wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:57:05 -0500, WillR
wrote:



Well what about candlesticks, lamp stems, tools, handles and all those
other things?

Spindles for headboards, Spindles for supports in cupboards and shelving
- stuff like that?

Why does nobody display that work?


Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j


Ken does indeed make some nice stuff.

But now I am tempted to copy it and the turning gods will probably have
me imprisoned for plagiarism... sigh. Hope they serve good food in the
cells...


yep.. I've copied so many of Ken's ideas that the print outs must be an inch
thick... sanding box, ring clamp, biscuit jointer jig, etc., etc., etc...



mac

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Perhaps we can share a cell????

ROTFLMAO.

Ken has encouraged me to go through the entire shop looking for ways to
make things easier.

Now I have bench dogs -- turned on the lathe of course... :-)

I have fixed the fence up properly on the table saw.

I got myself a Jacobs chuck last night a Lee Valley so I can finish the
tool handles that I need so desperately for everything from files to new
turning tools. (Drilling them on a drill press did NOT work...)

I got a small compression/screw chuck for a few dollars so I can make
small fixtures (and a maybe some small bowls...)

Today I finished the bench dogs and the bench re-configuration...

Now I will start on the bench vise... So it can work with the dogs (and
maybe the cats too :-)) ) So I have to change the wooden faces I put in
the vise and allow room for the bench dogs... and drill the holes.

Then I can start of the real stuff.

And of course there are the tips on Darrell Feltmates sites and the
Three Point tool I got the tool steel for... And I have to make a skewed
scraper -- but this time it will point "the other way"...

Guys like Ken and Darrell otta be banned I tell yah! LOL

They set an extremely unfortunate good example. :-)


--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 01:08:41 GMT, Derek Andrews
wrote:

This just in from Google:

Women's artistry highlights Woodworkers Showcase
The Saratogian - Saratoga,NY,USA
... Klein, well-known in woodturning, is displaying a stool made of
hand-tooled tiger maple. All the legs and spindles are turned, according
to Goddard. ...

I'll have to get a picture of that tomorrow. Anyone else going to be
there this weekend?


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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:25:39 -0500, WillR
wrote:

Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j


Ken does indeed make some nice stuff.

But now I am tempted to copy it and the turning gods will probably have
me imprisoned for plagiarism... sigh. Hope they serve good food in the
cells...


yep.. I've copied so many of Ken's ideas that the print outs must be an inch
thick... sanding box, ring clamp, biscuit jointer jig, etc., etc., etc...

Perhaps we can share a cell????

ROTFLMAO.

Ken has encouraged me to go through the entire shop looking for ways to
make things easier.

Now I have bench dogs -- turned on the lathe of course... :-)

I have fixed the fence up properly on the table saw.

I got myself a Jacobs chuck last night a Lee Valley so I can finish the
tool handles that I need so desperately for everything from files to new
turning tools. (Drilling them on a drill press did NOT work...)

I got a small compression/screw chuck for a few dollars so I can make
small fixtures (and a maybe some small bowls...)

Today I finished the bench dogs and the bench re-configuration...

Now I will start on the bench vise... So it can work with the dogs (and
maybe the cats too :-)) ) So I have to change the wooden faces I put in
the vise and allow room for the bench dogs... and drill the holes.

Then I can start of the real stuff.

And of course there are the tips on Darrell Feltmates sites and the
Three Point tool I got the tool steel for... And I have to make a skewed
scraper -- but this time it will point "the other way"...

Guys like Ken and Darrell otta be banned I tell yah! LOL

They set an extremely unfortunate good example. :-)

Ken and Darrell have been a HUGE to my re-learning wood & turning... both have
been very helpful and responsive to questions, etc..
I'm almost ready to graduate to Bill Grumbine's site... the more I learn, the
more I sort of understand on Bill's site.. *g*



mac

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mac davis wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:25:39 -0500, WillR
wrote:


Check out Ken Vaughn's site..

He shows a lot of his tool handles, jigs, etc...
http://home.earthlink.net/~kvaughn65j


Ken does indeed make some nice stuff.

But now I am tempted to copy it and the turning gods will probably have
me imprisoned for plagiarism... sigh. Hope they serve good food in the
cells...


yep.. I've copied so many of Ken's ideas that the print outs must be an inch
thick... sanding box, ring clamp, biscuit jointer jig, etc., etc., etc...

Perhaps we can share a cell????

ROTFLMAO.

Ken has encouraged me to go through the entire shop looking for ways to
make things easier.

Now I have bench dogs -- turned on the lathe of course... :-)

I have fixed the fence up properly on the table saw.

I got myself a Jacobs chuck last night a Lee Valley so I can finish the
tool handles that I need so desperately for everything from files to new
turning tools. (Drilling them on a drill press did NOT work...)

I got a small compression/screw chuck for a few dollars so I can make
small fixtures (and a maybe some small bowls...)

Today I finished the bench dogs and the bench re-configuration...

Now I will start on the bench vise... So it can work with the dogs (and
maybe the cats too :-)) ) So I have to change the wooden faces I put in
the vise and allow room for the bench dogs... and drill the holes.

Then I can start of the real stuff.

And of course there are the tips on Darrell Feltmates sites and the
Three Point tool I got the tool steel for... And I have to make a skewed
scraper -- but this time it will point "the other way"...

Guys like Ken and Darrell otta be banned I tell yah! LOL

They set an extremely unfortunate good example. :-)


Ken and Darrell have been a HUGE to my re-learning wood & turning... both have
been very helpful and responsive to questions, etc..
I'm almost ready to graduate to Bill Grumbine's site... the more I learn, the
more I sort of understand on Bill's site.. *g*



mac

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Feel free to provide a link to that site as well. :-)

Helped my wife with her intarsia piece this morning. She was grumbling
Thursday about buying a Jacobs chuck, we put her inflatable sander in
the lathe using the Jacobs chuck, supported the wood pieces on the tool
rest and had the fit of the pieces fixed up in a few minutes. Most of
the fixes could be done by hand rotation of the sander to minimize wood
removal. Worked like a charm! No more grumbling now -- I hope...

Today I will spend more time on those sites planning the next set of
jigs and fixtures. They have a truly amazing set of fixtures -- all at
relatively low cost... Good thing too or I would be adding nothing....

We also got the 1 3/8 inch expanding chuck at Lee Valley -- we can use
that for small pieces now as well... So now I can do the clock pieces I
have put off forever... And it can be used as a screw chuck for small
bowls -- funny thing that. :-)

I think I have he base pieces now so I can actually use the info on
their sites.


--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

WillR wrote:
snip
Feel free to provide a link to that site as well. :-)

http://www.wonderfulwood.com/ Ask and ye shall receive.

Dave in Fairfax
--
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reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.Patinatools.org/

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:54:05 -0500, WillR
wrote:


Ken and Darrell have been a HUGE to my re-learning wood & turning... both have
been very helpful and responsive to questions, etc..
I'm almost ready to graduate to Bill Grumbine's site... the more I learn, the
more I sort of understand on Bill's site.. *g*


Feel free to provide a link to that site as well. :-)

Sorry, I should of done that!
His personal page, "he's truly outstanding in his field" *g*

http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/index.html




mac

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