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Arch August 6th 09 03:35 PM

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Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




jdrum00 August 6th 09 04:34 PM

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I can't say I come by often, but I look in now and then -- always love
to hear what folks have been doing. I'm sure there are plenty of
woodworking forums out there on the net, but this is the one I check,
because I like the way y'all think.

I'm always "just about" to get back out into the shop...er,
garage...and turn something. When I manage to do something
interesting, I'll let you know. Charlie's site, in particular, is an
inspiration. :)

=-=- Jenn D.

Ecnerwal[_3_] August 6th 09 04:37 PM

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Got a crapload of wood rotting, or is that spalting? Mostly rotting.
Black birch seems to hold up somewhat better than some other stuff in
piles.

Just cut a crapload more, hope I can get it used or at least undercover
before it rots. Trying to get power into the new (or "long in progress")
shop. Two days ago brake line blew on truck (without drama), but
assessment is that's tip of expensive repair iceberg on worthless old
truck, so replacement vehicle shopping has me in front of computer.

No turning to speak of at present.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Larry Blanchard August 6th 09 04:44 PM

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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:35:00 -0400, Arch wrote:

That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment.


Still here. Check every day and post when I have something to say.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Jerry - OHIO August 6th 09 05:20 PM

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Hi Arch !
I'm hear every day snooping around.
Enjoying all the posts. I posted some and learned alot here. I'm not a
great turner but I like to make chips. I have had a few segment bowls
explode in the past but haven't had it happen lately,guess I've learned
a little.

Jerry


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage



http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974RuppCentair


DJ Delorie August 6th 09 06:16 PM

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Lurking. Non-wood projects have been taking up my time lately.

Duncan Hoyle[_2_] August 6th 09 07:49 PM

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My news reader checks for messages several times a day every day. I post
if I have something to say but that isn't often.

If I have a question that I want answering or something that I want
feedback for I usually use one of the forums that I frequent that allows
me to post images - http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/ .It's advantage
for me is that it's generally UK based discussion so most products
mentioned will be available to me locally.

Duncan

burtwitlin August 6th 09 08:28 PM

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I check in every day. I had rotator cuff surgery and haven't been
doing anything, let alone turning.

Woody[_6_] August 6th 09 08:51 PM

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Completing my first door (solid cherry with book-matched panels), but
have my next turning (eucalyptus burl) ready to go!

~Mark.

Gerald Ross[_3_] August 6th 09 09:45 PM

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Arch wrote:
snip

That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch


Here!

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

Monday is a depressing way to spend
one-seventh of your life.





Boru August 6th 09 09:50 PM

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Arch wrote:


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings



"waves" and returns to workshop.

djcordes August 6th 09 11:19 PM

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Hi All,

I mostly lurk and post if I have a problem that I can't solve. I learn
from all the "old" guys here. I've been turning for only 5 years now and
still seem like a newbie most of the time. I do miss the binary group. I luv
the pics. Everyone keep on posting!

Dan
"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings






A Lurker August 7th 09 12:10 AM

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(Arch) wrote in news:487-4A7AEA14-2153@storefull-
3253.bay.webtv.net:
Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking snip




Yup, I'm lurking here most days and also lurking on the "wreck" but the
volume there is sometimes hard to keep up with. Lot's of wood and little
turning time.

Jerry


bassdiva August 7th 09 12:57 AM

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We are still here in the UK, just getting ready to go off to the AWGB
Weekend Seminar tomorrow, oh, I mean today, better go get some beauty
sleep then or they wont recognize me.
Bassdiva
Out of the Woods.


"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings





Doug Miller August 7th 09 01:09 AM

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In article , Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:35:00 -0400, Arch wrote:

That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment.


Still here. Check every day and post when I have something to say.

Likewise.

Martin H. Eastburn August 7th 09 01:36 AM

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I look at all to the subject posts.
Martin

Arch wrote:
Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




LD August 7th 09 01:49 AM

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"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




lurking


JoanD'arcRoast August 7th 09 03:44 AM

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In article , Arch
wrote:

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings



Lurking.
Too Hot and Humid and thick with Tiger Mosquitoes to turn right now.
-j

Ted August 7th 09 04:47 AM

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Here! (you can't see it but my hand is raised)

I have been turning almost every day for the past few months. About
to possibly loose my day job so I have been trying to sell my turnings
this summer at art fairs around Michigan to make some extra cash. Bad
idea because everybody else in Michigan is loosing their job too.

I check in pretty much every day.

Ted J.
thelatentlog.com

Dangre August 7th 09 05:17 AM

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Just check in

Turning and checking everyday.
Dan

sbnjhfty August 7th 09 05:49 AM

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Arch wrote:
Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




I read every day.

Gerard[_2_] August 7th 09 06:02 AM

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Arch schreef:
That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


To busy with the upcoming exposition of some of my works, but curiosity
forces met to take a look daily.



Roy August 7th 09 07:05 AM

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:35:00 -0400, (Arch) wrote:


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings


Lurking. I read the occasional post, but mostly archive them. Got away from turning for several
years now. But I use Agent, and I have saved a few thousand unread messages over the last few years
in this group. Kinda waiting for interest to rekindle again, but didn't want to lose those words of
wisdom.

Regards,
Roy

Bill Noble[_2_] August 7th 09 07:20 AM

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"Duncan Hoyle" wrote in message
...

My news reader checks for messages several times a day every day. I post
if I have something to say but that isn't often.

If I have a question that I want answering or something that I want
feedback for I usually use one of the forums that I frequent that allows
me to post images - http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/ .It's advantage
for me is that it's generally UK based discussion so most products
mentioned will be available to me locally.

Duncan


But, what is the fun in that? the best product, or at least the ones most
worthy of lust are those which you can't have - that's why I want a Sorello
after dinner but have to settle for plain old ice cream, and why a friend in
Davos is going crazy for some guacamole, and it probably explains all those
Robert Sorby tools we have here in the US.


Hank[_2_] August 7th 09 08:58 AM

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(Arch) wrote in news:487-4A7AEA14-2153@storefull-
3253.bay.webtv.net:


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




Present, Arch

Hank

R2 August 7th 09 12:32 PM

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:35:00 -0400, (Arch) wrote:


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings



Lurking

RandyD

TWW August 7th 09 12:42 PM

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A few weeks back I started getting daily summaries from the AAW forum
as well as this one. The AAW forum has had a few more posts than this
one but I don't think it matches this group for being interesting (at
least when this group was more lively).

Here is a topic I cannot remember being addressed -- at least in my
memory:

I cut down a cherry tree about 18" wide near the ground last fall. The
rough bowls I made from it (it had a real bad center) are waiting on
the shelf to make some bowls about a foot across. But some of the
bowls developed 1/8" cracks while drying. I bought some Inlace and it
is quite pricey.

Do you guys fill cracks first and then turn the bowls or turn the
bowl, hope they stay intact and then fill the cracks so you don't use
as much of what you are filling the cracks with?

Casper August 7th 09 01:55 PM

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70/30 here. I tend to be quiet in RL so label that as you will here.
`Casper

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)

That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)

Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter
http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings


StephenM[_2_] August 7th 09 04:13 PM

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Here,

Lurking daily, seldom posting.

-Steve

"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings






Gerald Ross[_3_] August 7th 09 04:35 PM

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TWW wrote:
A few weeks back I started getting daily summaries from the AAW forum
as well as this one. The AAW forum has had a few more posts than this
one but I don't think it matches this group for being interesting (at
least when this group was more lively).

Here is a topic I cannot remember being addressed -- at least in my
memory:

I cut down a cherry tree about 18" wide near the ground last fall. The
rough bowls I made from it (it had a real bad center) are waiting on
the shelf to make some bowls about a foot across. But some of the
bowls developed 1/8" cracks while drying. I bought some Inlace and it
is quite pricey.

Do you guys fill cracks first and then turn the bowls or turn the
bowl, hope they stay intact and then fill the cracks so you don't use
as much of what you are filling the cracks with?


I have lost faith in inlace. I usually use epoxy with a dab of black
dye mixed in, often with brass chips and turquoise chips. This spring
I experimented with soaking the cracked bowls in glue diluted with
equal amounts of water. results: have finish turned two of those
bowls. The 1/8" cracks are now hairline filled with glue. Seems like
the mixture over 2 or 3 days causes the bowl to swell and close the
crack then holds it. YMMV.

A direct answer to your question: I usually fill the crack before
finish turning.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

Monday is a depressing way to spend
one-seventh of your life.





Tom Dougall August 7th 09 05:54 PM

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I also lurk daily but only comment when I think that I know what I'm talking
about. Trouble is nearly everyone here is so much more expert than me.

Tom


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant




Arch August 7th 09 06:29 PM

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So far rcw seems live and well, just taking a nap. Thanks and keep on
checking in. I know more of you are lurking and haven't answered roll
call. You gonna get latrine duty if you are absent much longer. :)


Hey Tom, keep posting. You are reading a post from someone no more
expert than you, besides there's "arm chair expertise" and then there's
"latheside expertise".


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings




Ian Malcolm August 7th 09 07:05 PM

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Regularly here; learning often; rarely, if ever, with anything useful to
add.

Ian

"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings







Gerard[_2_] August 7th 09 07:13 PM

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Arch schreef:
So far rcw seems live and well, just taking a nap. Thanks and keep on
checking in. I know more of you are lurking and haven't answered roll
call. You gonna get latrine duty if you are absent much longer. :)


If you pay the ticket, I'll gladly do the latrine duty;-)

Gerard, Utrecht, the Netherlands.

[email protected] August 7th 09 07:31 PM

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Still here ... at least from time to time.
Lenny

On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:35:00 -0400, (Arch) wrote:


Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings



Nova August 8th 09 12:29 AM

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Arch wrote:

snipped
I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment.


I check the group several times a day to make sure I don't miss
anything. My oldest daughter happens to be getting married in two weeks
and she and her fiancé bought the house next to me. Somehow I've ended
up remodeling their house and getting it ready for them to move in. For
the past couple of months I haven't had much time to post.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA


JD August 8th 09 01:07 AM

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Here, sorry for being tardy. Lurking occasionally. Turning some.

JD

Leo Lichtman[_2_] August 8th 09 02:03 AM

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I read all the posts, but seldom have anything useful to add. Doing almost
no turning lately.

When names don't appear for a long time, they tend to fade from memory--like
Lyn Mangiameli and Lief Thorvaldson. I know Lyn was very ill; anyone know
more? I used to enjoy Lief's dry humor and I wonder what has become of him
and "LDD."



Michael Latcha August 8th 09 03:27 AM

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I'm still here... not often a poster any more (and soon to lose my
Brighthouse connection to Usenet), but I visit at least once/day just to see
what's going on.

Michael Latcha - at home in Redford, MI


"Arch" wrote in message
...

Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings





Kevin Miller[_2_] August 8th 09 04:33 AM

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Arch wrote:
Don't know if there are a lot of us lurking with so many other things to
do during the summer or if the ng is becoming used up or less relevant
or if many like me get "burn out" from time to time. I drop by, but
don't take time to add (or subtract) to rcw. I appreciate those of you
that do post and assure you that I'm not saying that your posts are
irrelevant. (as if you cared!)


That brayed, I wonder if it would be worth the trouble for everyone
lurking to let us know if rcw is still healthy. Just check in with or
without comment. Hope to see a lot of old friends lurking about and know
that there are a lot of new ones to be made this fall when things pick
up. Good idea? Bad idea? Very bad idea? :)


Yup, still here...

....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller - http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
Juneau, Alaska
In a recent survey, 7 out of 10 hard drives preferred Linux
Registered Linux User No: 307357, http://counter.li.org


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