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Default Penn State Ind. Baracuda Chuck

Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve

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Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet,
but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws.
The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit
concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that
it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a
tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good.
The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish.
The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to
tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference,
I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so
I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when
you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal
force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and
it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the
standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on
themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin
rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I
mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This
will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this
configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the
holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's
in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a
typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty
accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say
that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner
starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large
layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are
down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I
give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve


well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one



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Hi Bernie,
Didn't know you frequent here. Nice review, I wonder how it will look
after Daryl gets it into the newsletter. I saw the chuck at the Woodworking
Show 2005 at the Long Island Woodworking Supply booth, and was tempted to
get it. I didn't get it at the time because there were other things I
wanted to buy, and the budget only goes so far. For me it would be a second
chuck and the attraction is you get several jaws and the two thread adapters
for a great price. I like that you did some actual measurements on runout.
I think when I get some spare change I will get one, from Bob of course.
Martin
P.S. Consider this the first plug for the next Woodworking Show.

"Bernie Hunt" wrote in message
news
Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet,
but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra

jaws.
The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit
concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is

that
it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a
tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good.
The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt

finish.
The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to
tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only

difference,
I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed,

so
I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but

when
you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal
force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft

and
it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of

the
standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on
themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin
rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I
mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws.

This
will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this
configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the
holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's
in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a
typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is

pretty
accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will

say
that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner
starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a

large
layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are
down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I
give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve


well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one





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Bernie
You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy
bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not
buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is
going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for
me G

If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing.



Bernie Hunt wrote:
Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet,
but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws.
The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit
concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that
it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a
tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good.
The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish.
The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to
tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference,
I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so
I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when
you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal
force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and
it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the
standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on
themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin
rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I
mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This
will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this
configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the
holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's
in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a
typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty
accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say
that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner
starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large
layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are
down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I
give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
om...

wrote in message
groups.com...

Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve


well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one







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Leo,
Bernie mentioned that the package included extra jaw sets, but didn't
specify what they were. The package comes with the #1, #2, #3, and pin jaw
sets. The chuck with just the standard #2 jaws is $89.95, half the price of
the Oneway. I haven't priced it, but I could see the Oneway chuck with a
comparable selection of jaws would come close to $300. You right he was not
comparing the Barracuda to the tommy bar operated Oneway, but the numbers
still show that the Barracuda costs about half of a comparable Oneway. I
hope that clarifies the numbers a bit. I know that Oneway makes a top
quality product, the question now is, is the Barracuda quality high enough
to not discourage a beginner.

Martin

"Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message
...

Bernie
You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy
bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not
buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is
going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for
me G

If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing.



Bernie Hunt wrote:
Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed

yet,
but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra

jaws.
The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit
concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost

$300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is

that
it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off

a
tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks

good.
The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt

finish.
The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to
tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only

difference,
I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already

installed, so
I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but

when
you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The

centrifugal
force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft

and
it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of

the
standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on
themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a

thin
rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I
mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws.

This
will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this
configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the
holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but

that's
in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a
typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is

pretty
accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will

say
that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any

turner
starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a

large
layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you

are
down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount.

I
give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
om...

wrote in message
groups.com...

Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve

well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one







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Hi Martin

Bernie never posted here before as far as I can remember, and according
to him is new to turning, all that makes the posting suspect IMO, also
there seem to be a few Oneway bashers around, and the Oneway people do
not deserve this kind of postings, they make quality products and stand
behind them.
If a experienced person with more than just 3 months of turning under
his belt and knowledge of the products he/she is talking/comparing
about, and is able to give a product a good tryout, than a comparison
might of some use for the turners that frequent here, so IMNHO don't
compare apples to oranges, a known Quality to a lower cost (you can
always make something cheaper) of unknown quality, or knock off, made in
chiwan etc., and give new turners another doorstop they don't need.

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

Martin Rost wrote:
Leo,
Bernie mentioned that the package included extra jaw sets, but didn't
specify what they were. The package comes with the #1, #2, #3, and pin jaw
sets. The chuck with just the standard #2 jaws is $89.95, half the price of
the Oneway. I haven't priced it, but I could see the Oneway chuck with a
comparable selection of jaws would come close to $300. You right he was not
comparing the Barracuda to the tommy bar operated Oneway, but the numbers
still show that the Barracuda costs about half of a comparable Oneway. I
hope that clarifies the numbers a bit. I know that Oneway makes a top
quality product, the question now is, is the Barracuda quality high enough
to not discourage a beginner.

Martin

"Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message
...

Bernie
You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy
bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not
buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is
going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for
me G

If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing.



Bernie Hunt wrote:

Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed


yet,

but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra


jaws.

The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit
concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost


$300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is


that

it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off


a

tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks


good.

The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt


finish.

The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to
tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only


difference,

I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already


installed, so

I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but


when

you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The


centrifugal

force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft


and

it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of


the

standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on
themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a


thin

rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I
mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws.


This

will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this
configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the
holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but


that's

in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a
typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is


pretty

accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will


say

that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any


turner

starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a


large

layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you


are

down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount.


I

give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
e.com...


wrote in message
legroups.com...


Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve

well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one






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Leo,

You are not comparing apples to oranges. The Oneway chuck with tommy bars is
$179, plus the cost of three more sets of jaws and you are in the $280 to
$300 range. Comparing apples to apples, it's about $120 cheaper than a
Oneway.

Bernie

"Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message
...

Bernie
You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy bars
is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not buy one
of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is going to make
their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for me G

If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing.



Bernie Hunt wrote:
Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed
yet, but the concept is there.

***********************
Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI
Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra
jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a
bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost
$300.

First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is
that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline
off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish
looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind
of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of
tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the
only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175.

The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive
shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed,
so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could,
but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The
centrifugal force throws oil everywhere.

My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft
and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside
of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them
tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I
could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or
the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the
edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten
them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two
jaws doing the holding.

To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but
that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The
0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book,
this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe!

I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will
say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any
turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck,
without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the
standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you
get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up!

************************************8

"Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message
om...

wrote in message
egroups.com...

Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve

well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one







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