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Penn State Ind. Baracuda Chuck
Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at
around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve |
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Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet,
but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message om... wrote in message oups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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Hi Bernie,
Didn't know you frequent here. Nice review, I wonder how it will look after Daryl gets it into the newsletter. I saw the chuck at the Woodworking Show 2005 at the Long Island Woodworking Supply booth, and was tempted to get it. I didn't get it at the time because there were other things I wanted to buy, and the budget only goes so far. For me it would be a second chuck and the attraction is you get several jaws and the two thread adapters for a great price. I like that you did some actual measurements on runout. I think when I get some spare change I will get one, from Bob of course. Martin P.S. Consider this the first plug for the next Woodworking Show. "Bernie Hunt" wrote in message news Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet, but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message om... wrote in message oups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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Bernie You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for me G If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing. Bernie Hunt wrote: Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet, but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message om... wrote in message groups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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Leo,
Bernie mentioned that the package included extra jaw sets, but didn't specify what they were. The package comes with the #1, #2, #3, and pin jaw sets. The chuck with just the standard #2 jaws is $89.95, half the price of the Oneway. I haven't priced it, but I could see the Oneway chuck with a comparable selection of jaws would come close to $300. You right he was not comparing the Barracuda to the tommy bar operated Oneway, but the numbers still show that the Barracuda costs about half of a comparable Oneway. I hope that clarifies the numbers a bit. I know that Oneway makes a top quality product, the question now is, is the Barracuda quality high enough to not discourage a beginner. Martin "Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message ... Bernie You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for me G If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing. Bernie Hunt wrote: Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet, but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message om... wrote in message groups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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Hi Martin Bernie never posted here before as far as I can remember, and according to him is new to turning, all that makes the posting suspect IMO, also there seem to be a few Oneway bashers around, and the Oneway people do not deserve this kind of postings, they make quality products and stand behind them. If a experienced person with more than just 3 months of turning under his belt and knowledge of the products he/she is talking/comparing about, and is able to give a product a good tryout, than a comparison might of some use for the turners that frequent here, so IMNHO don't compare apples to oranges, a known Quality to a lower cost (you can always make something cheaper) of unknown quality, or knock off, made in chiwan etc., and give new turners another doorstop they don't need. Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo Martin Rost wrote: Leo, Bernie mentioned that the package included extra jaw sets, but didn't specify what they were. The package comes with the #1, #2, #3, and pin jaw sets. The chuck with just the standard #2 jaws is $89.95, half the price of the Oneway. I haven't priced it, but I could see the Oneway chuck with a comparable selection of jaws would come close to $300. You right he was not comparing the Barracuda to the tommy bar operated Oneway, but the numbers still show that the Barracuda costs about half of a comparable Oneway. I hope that clarifies the numbers a bit. I know that Oneway makes a top quality product, the question now is, is the Barracuda quality high enough to not discourage a beginner. Martin "Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message ... Bernie You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for me G If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing. Bernie Hunt wrote: Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet, but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message e.com... wrote in message legroups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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Leo,
You are not comparing apples to oranges. The Oneway chuck with tommy bars is $179, plus the cost of three more sets of jaws and you are in the $280 to $300 range. Comparing apples to apples, it's about $120 cheaper than a Oneway. Bernie "Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message ... Bernie You are comparing apples with oranges, the Oneway that has the tommy bars is $179.95 US and for the $50.- difference I would certainly not buy one of these wonderful items, I know the quality from Oneway is going to make their chucks to last me a lifetime, just long enough for me G If you want to do comparisons make sure you know what you are comparing. Bernie Hunt wrote: Here is a review I just wrote for our club newspaper. Its not proofed yet, but the concept is there. *********************** Being new to turning, I bought my first scroll chuck. I chose the PSI Barracuda with the extended chuck package that included all the extra jaws. The price was very attractive, $125 with all the jaws, but I was a bit concerned about the quality. A similar Oneway would have cost almost $300. First impressions; The first thing I noticed and was thankful about is that it's packed in oil, not cosmoline. Anyone who has cleaned cosmoline off a tool will understand the happiness in this! The fit and finish looks good. The body of the chuck is chromed and the jaws are some kind of matt finish. The scroll mechanism works smoothly. It used a pair of tommy bars to tighten, where the Oneway uses a single key. If this is the only difference, I can live with the tommy bars and keep the extra $175. The chuck comes equipped for both 1"x8 and 3/4x16 threading on the drive shaft. My Fisch lathe used 1"x8, which was the adaptor already installed, so I was ready to go immediately. I wiped the oil off as best I could, but when you first turn on the lathe, cover the chuck with the rag. The centrifugal force throws oil everywhere. My next question was it accurate. I check the run out on my drive shaft and it was less then 0.002". I mounted the chuck and measured the outside of the standard jaws to have a run out of about 0.006" with them tightened on themselves. I then chucked up the worse case scenario I could find, a thin rectangular piece of wood that only contacted two or the four jaws. I mounted the piece in the worse case location, at the edge of the jaws. This will create maximum skew to the jaws as I tighten them. In this configuration I measured about 0.035" run out one the two jaws doing the holding. To put these measurements in perspective, 0.035 is about 1/32", but that's in a extreme case where you would probably not ever turn. The 0.006 is a typical measurement of normal turning situations. I my book, this is pretty accurate for a woodworking lathe! I have not yet used all the jaws, so I can't comment on them yet. I will say that I think this is a very good chuck at a bargain price. For any turner starting out, this is a good way to get into a scroll chuck, without a large layout of cash. If you just get the chuck with the standard jaws, you are down to $90, plus if you get it from Bob Urso, you get a club discount. I give this tool a big thumbs up! ************************************8 "Eduardo Sarmiento Hall" wrote in message om... wrote in message egroups.com... Any one tried one of these out yet? They have the "package" listed at around $125. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve well I saw that too and will wait for some reviews before getting one |
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