In article asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui, Ben Blaukopf wrote:
How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

The units should be pretty easy to shrink. What are you going to do
about the doors though?

I had to do this to a unit a couple of years back (the builder calming
informed up as he completed the job that the w.m. space wasn't big
enough for a w.m.) and it occurred to me that there should be an
opening for a competent joiner to offer a customisation service doing
things like this - much as some clothes places offer an alteration
service. My unit door was basically a frame round a hardboard panel and
careful cutting and reassembly produced a door as good as the original.

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Personally I would avoid the hassle of cutting a 60cm unit (& door) down
to 58cm, and instead use a 50cm unit and fill the 8cm gap in some other
way, perhaps just a chipboard panel?

Or you could have an open-fronted cabinet for storing trays, or tea
towels, oven gloves etc - perhaps make it 18cm wide and use a 40cm unit to
complete the run of cupboards instead? That way you don't have to worry
about cutting a door to size.

The thing to be careful of when cutting a flat-pack kitchen cupboard up is
to double-check how it all fits together (where all the screws and bolts
go) before you set about it with the jig...


Martin


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:41:25 +0100, Tony Bryer
wrote:

In article asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui, Ben Blaukopf wrote:
How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

The units should be pretty easy to shrink. What are you going to do
about the doors though?

I had to do this to a unit a couple of years back (the builder calming
informed up as he completed the job that the w.m. space wasn't big
enough for a w.m.) and it occurred to me that there should be an
opening for a competent joiner to offer a customisation service doing
things like this - much as some clothes places offer an alteration
service. My unit door was basically a frame round a hardboard panel and
careful cutting and reassembly produced a door as good as the original.




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Well, kitchen unites come in standard sizes of - 30 cm, 50, 60 & 90 cm. You
can put in any size combination you want just use the number above to make
it as close as possible. Where you're short you can blank it off or cut a
unit to size.

e.g. With my kitchen I took a normal 30 cm unit and cut the width down the
25 cm (I was short by 5 cm for a full unit) on my end unit, and put in a
towel rail, the type that slides out. Alternatively, you can blank it off
but if you do use a reduced size you can't fit a door.

Cutting the back of units for pipes use a holesaw. If you've never
installed a kitchen before get some good free advice (not B&Q), from the web
etc. Your main problem might be getting the wall units to hang straight as
I'm sure the walls will be out slightly, if you are cutting the worktop then
it will require some thought.

HTH

"Ben Blaukopf" wrote in message
news:asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui...
In case off-width doesn't convey what I mean, it's a rock climbing
term used to describe a crack that is a bloody annoying size.

My kitchen is 238cm wide by 267cm long. I intend to put a U shaped
kitchen in (the doorway is on one of the 238cm walls). The existing
kitchen, which I think had been in since 1978 and is literally falling
apart
has 4 60cm units along the 238 wall, one of which has had a couple of
centimetres chopped off to make it fit.

How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

Ben

"Ben Blaukopf" wrote in message
news:asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui...
In case off-width doesn't convey what I mean, it's a rock climbing
term used to describe a crack that is a bloody annoying size.

My kitchen is 238cm wide by 267cm long. I intend to put a U shaped
kitchen in (the doorway is on one of the 238cm walls). The existing
kitchen, which I think had been in since 1978 and is literally falling
apart
has 4 60cm units along the 238 wall, one of which has had a couple of
centimetres chopped off to make it fit.

How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

Ben

If you're planning a u-shaped kitchen layout, then you won't be able to get
4 x 60cm units along your 238 wall. I assume this 238 wall is the bottom of
the u, and the door is in the wall represented by the open part of the u.
If you then have work surface along three sides, then your 238 wall becomes
118. You could fit two 60 units in this gap if you made the other units on
the long walls 59 deep. If you see what I mean?!

In case off-width doesn't convey what I mean, it's a rock climbing
term used to describe a crack that is a bloody annoying size.

My kitchen is 238cm wide by 267cm long. I intend to put a U shaped
kitchen in (the doorway is on one of the 238cm walls). The existing
kitchen, which I think had been in since 1978 and is literally falling apart
has 4 60cm units along the 238 wall, one of which has had a couple of
centimetres chopped off to make it fit.

How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

Ben

Oh, and base/wall units seem to come in 30, 40, 50 and 60cm widths. The 80
and 100 are just like 2x40 or 2x50.

Personally I would avoid the hassle of cutting a 60cm unit (& door)
down
to 58cm, and instead use a 50cm unit and fill the 8cm gap in some
other
way, perhaps just a chipboard panel?


or pull the corner unit along 8cm ?

In article , MattP wrote:
Well, kitchen unites come in standard sizes of - 30 cm, 50, 60 & 90 cm.

Also 40 and 80 at B&Q

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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:57:46 +0100, Tony Bryer
strung together this:

In article , MattP wrote:
Well, kitchen unites come in standard sizes of - 30 cm, 50, 60 & 90 cm.

Also 40 and 80 at B&Q

Don't forget the 1000mm as well.
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Oh, and base/wall units seem to come in 30, 40, 50 and 60cm widths. The 80
and 100 are just like 2x40 or 2x50.

Except that they have no wall in the middle, making them store more stuff,
especially large items, such as plates and bowls, where the partition would
interfere with the most efficient layout.

Christian.

You could fit two 60 units in this gap if you made the other units on the
long
walls 59 deep. If you see what I mean?!

Personally, I'd fit a 50 and 60 (despite lack of symmetry). Then you get an
extra 8cm of behind unit plumbing space. When fitting my kitchen I added 5cm
on the wet side, making it possible to position the tumble dryer (which was
very deep) where I wanted it whilst still getting the sewage plumbing from
the washing machine to fit behind it.

Christian.

"Ben Blaukopf" wrote in message news:asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui...
In case off-width doesn't convey what I mean, it's a rock climbing
term used to describe a crack that is a bloody annoying size.

My kitchen is 238cm wide by 267cm long. I intend to put a U shaped
kitchen in (the doorway is on one of the 238cm walls). The existing
kitchen, which I think had been in since 1978 and is literally falling apart
has 4 60cm units along the 238 wall, one of which has had a couple of
centimetres chopped off to make it fit.

How easy is it to massacre units in this manner and make it look
good? We'll have a fair amount of jigging to do anyway, as I'll need
to build one of the units around the (internal) gas meter and
corresponding gas pipes. My woodwork experience is very limited...

Ben

Ben,
Most units will be either 500, or 300, so with a bit of simple
maths, you should get pretty close to filling your gaps. When doing
gf's flat, I bought an entra set of the legs that come on all base
units, and made a 'wine rack' unit to fill in the last 250 odd mm gap.
Very easy to make (about 6 cuts of a jigsaw) and fills the space
nicely. (alternatively, a nice 'posh' bin can be found to fill the
space). The other option (used on the other side of the same kitchen!)
is to have the units stop, say half way down the wall, and leave the
worktop extend 500 mm or so longer. This gives just enought room for a
strictly 2 person breakfast bar, with one sitting where a door would
be and the other at the end. A little rounding of the corner, and it
looks the business. Practically free too.

Alternatively, if you're gap is less than 150mm at the end, then get
some matched kickboard, and trim to size. this is also useful if you
have a non vertical wall to contend with.

enjoy,
M.

"Ben Blaukopf" wrote in message
news:asSEc.28$JG6.10@newsfe4-gui...
In case off-width doesn't convey what I mean, it's a rock climbing
term used to describe a crack that is a bloody annoying size.

My kitchen is 238cm wide by 267cm long. I intend to put a U shaped
kitchen in (the doorway is on one of the 238cm walls). The existing
kitchen, which I think had been in since 1978 and is literally falling
apart
has 4 60cm units along the 238 wall, one of which has had a couple of
centimetres chopped off to make it fit.

One way to do this if you only need to save an inch and a half is to make
one of the units an open unit with no door. Then throw away one (saves
18mm) or both (36mm) of the sides after using them as templates to drill
extra holes in the outside of the side panels in the door'ed units to left
and right.

In message ,
"Christian McArdle" wrote:

Oh, and base/wall units seem to come in 30, 40, 50 and 60cm widths. The 80
and 100 are just like 2x40 or 2x50.

Except that they have no wall in the middle, making them store more stuff,
especially large items, such as plates and bowls, where the partition would
interfere with the most efficient layout.


We have some Ikea 80s, but with drawers instead of doors. Fantastic -
better than stooping down into a dark cupboard any day. Highly
recommended, and not hugely expensive (though obviously more expensive
than just a pair of doors).

Hwyl!

M.

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