I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

Ta.

Crafty Bugger wrote:
I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It
looks
like asbestos!

Ta.

Not heard of it, but asbestos risk depends on the type of abestos used:
white is not a significant problem, but blue and brown are serious
risks.

Proper info he
http://www.asbestoswatchdog.co.uk/ACM.pdf



NT

It was somewhere outside Barstow when wrote:

Not heard of it, but asbestos risk depends on the type of abestos used:
white is not a significant problem, but blue and brown are serious
risks.

White asbestos is a significant dust hazard if you're cutting it, it's
just not on the same scare-level as "asbestos". Even MDF or mahogany
is a "significant problem" for dust control.

Crafty Bugger wrote:
I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

Ta.

Never heard of this board.

But if you suspect its asbestos then sawing or taking power tools to it
is a really bad idea.

Unless you know exactly what type of asbestos it is and precisely how to
handle it safely then you could be taking a risk with your (and other
peoples) health.

As an aside ... have you thought of how you will dispose of the waste?
Not all local tips will take it and you may need to double bag it etc
before they will accept it even if they do (your local authority may be
able to provide advice here). If its commercial waste you will have to
pay for disposal I suspect.

Have you considered professional removal?

Alex

AlexW wrote:
Crafty Bugger wrote:

Never heard of this board.

But if you suspect its asbestos then sawing or taking power tools to
it
is a really bad idea.

not really. there is a minor risk but the public has been scared
witless over them without good cause. You do more dangerous things
every day without batting an eyelid.


Have you considered professional removal?

Professional removers will be happy to charge you a fortune for their
theatrics, and leave it in someone elses dustbin for normal disposal by
the binmen.

NT

wrote:
AlexW wrote:

Crafty Bugger wrote:


Never heard of this board.

But if you suspect its asbestos then sawing or taking power tools to

it

is a really bad idea.


not really. there is a minor risk but the public has been scared
witless over them without good cause. You do more dangerous things
every day without batting an eyelid.


I have read this somwhere (although I can't remember where) and also was
told this by a "professional" removal company who did engage in
theatrics with dust masks and disposable overalls etc. They did say that
the risk to health from asbestos cement products is very low unless you
generate a lot of dust and that I could have done the job myself taking
the right precautions ... but I don't know what Ellis Board is so would
not advise cutting it it up this way.

Are you advocating cutting asbestos with tools/power tools?

Have you considered professional removal?


Professional removers will be happy to charge you a fortune for their
theatrics, and leave it in someone elses dustbin for normal disposal by
the binmen.


Maybe. That was not my experience with the ones I employed to remove my
ancient garage, although they did admit that there was good money in it,
and that it would be a growing business over the coming years.

BTW, if they fly tip asbestos they clearly are not professional (and are
looking at a stint!).

Its the disposal fees that are the real killer ... last summer the quote
I had was £90+vat a ton in a skip + skip hire on top. I could have taken
it to my local tip for free, but then there's the bagging issue and
transporting bulk amounts of the stuff. The company I employed took my
garage away for £500 pounds, it was less than a days work for 2 people
.... for me this was a reasonable fee, which is why I suggested this option.


Alex.

I have read this somwhere (although I can't remember where)

See http://www.york.gov.uk/waste/asbestosdisp.html and
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg288.pdf.

AlexW wrote:
wrote:
Crafty Bugger wrote:

But if you suspect its asbestos then sawing or taking power tools
to
it
is a really bad idea.

not really. there is a minor risk but the public has been scared
witless over them without good cause. You do more dangerous things
every day without batting an eyelid.

I have read this somwhere (although I can't remember where) and also
was
told this by a "professional" removal company who did engage in
theatrics with dust masks and disposable overalls etc.

Not a reliable source of info then.


They did say that
the risk to health from asbestos cement products is very low unless
you
generate a lot of dust and that I could have done the job myself
taking
the right precautions ... but I don't know what Ellis Board is so
would
not advise cutting it it up this way.

Are you advocating cutting asbestos with tools/power tools?

Before getting into any of that one needs a bit of clarity. The term
Asbestos covers 3 different substances, 2 of which are a real health
risk, and one of which, which comprises nearly all asbestos found, is
harmless. If the asbestos product is blue or brown, caution is needed,
but if its white, white asbestos, chrysotile, bonded in cement, is a
safe building material.

Thinking on this has changed since the 80s: initially the 3 types were
not studied separately, but more a recent study showed it is blue and
brown that have killed people, not white, which has materially
different properties.


Have you considered professional removal?

Professional removers will be happy to charge you a fortune for
their
theatrics, and leave it in someone elses dustbin for normal
disposal by
the binmen.

BTW, if they fly tip asbestos they clearly are not professional

Professional n.: Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood
or as a career


(and are looking at a stint!).

I doubt it, but its veryc ommon practice, either way.


Its the disposal fees that are the real killer ... last summer the
quote
I had was =A390+vat a ton in a skip + skip hire on top. I could have
taken
it to my local tip for free, but then there's the bagging issue and


The company I employed took my
garage away for =A3500 pounds, it was less than a days work for 2
people
... for me this was a reasonable fee, which is why I suggested this
option.

I think thats at the lower end of asbestos disposal charges, but =A3250
per person per less than a day is a bit on the steep side. Especialy
considering disposal is free (see the site you reffed).


NT

Not a reliable source of info then.


Are you sure they are not reliable?


Before getting into any of that one needs a bit of clarity. The term
Asbestos covers 3 different substances, 2 of which are a real health
risk, and one of which, which comprises nearly all asbestos found, is
harmless. If the asbestos product is blue or brown, caution is needed,
but if its white, white asbestos, chrysotile, bonded in cement, is a
safe building material.

Yes ... but how do you identify each substance *reliably* - genuine
question. This seems a fairly important point.

I shall restate my question: Are you advocating sawing white asbestos
cement products?

Thinking on this has changed since the 80s: initially the 3 types were
not studied separately, but more a recent study showed it is blue and
brown that have killed people, not white, which has materially
different properties.

Thinking does indeed change and I am sure your recent study reflects the
current thinking, although I haven't read it ... in my case I was not
really prepared to gamble at all.

Professional n.: Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood
or as a career


Or "professionally" adjective, "characterized by or conforming to the
technical or ethical standards of a professional".

(and are looking at a stint!).

I doubt it, but its veryc ommon practice, either way.

It may be a common practice but it is a little unfair to tar the whole
"profession" with the same brush ... which is what your initial post
seemed to imply.

I think thats at the lower end of asbestos disposal charges, but £250
per person per less than a day is a bit on the steep side. Especialy
considering disposal is free (see the site you reffed).

Well disposal could have been free for my domestic asbestos waste.
However the refuse site probably couldn't be persuaded to allow a van
with an asbestos company logo on the side to dispose of it FoC, even
with my assurances ... so their margin on this work was probably less
than you are assuming (I think you knew that really though!).

(and are looking at a stint!).


I doubt it, but its veryc ommon practice, either way.



FYI: Legal situation is up to £20K fine 6 months custodial sentence for
fly tipping, increasing to 5 years if hazardous substances (including
asbestos)are involved.

On 13 Mar 2005 16:34:06 -0800, babbled like a
waterfall and said:

AlexW wrote:
Crafty Bugger wrote:

Never heard of this board.

But if you suspect its asbestos then sawing or taking power tools to
it
is a really bad idea.

not really. there is a minor risk but the public has been scared
witless over them without good cause. You do more dangerous things
every day without batting an eyelid.


Have you considered professional removal?

Professional removers will be happy to charge you a fortune for their
theatrics, and leave it in someone elses dustbin for normal disposal by
the binmen.

NT

I took an old ironing board down the council tip last week. I wisely
removed the small panel of asbestos that the iron sits on, before I
got there. (I foolishly ignored safety precautions as we have used it
for ironing for 25 years, and it is an old friend).

I took this little panel of the stuff and showed it to one of the
guys.

He looked sadly at me and said "As the asbestos bin has been removed
for emptying, we cannot accept it for disposal, sorry".

I turned to walk away and one of his mates, came up to me, took it out
of my hand, smiled and chucked it on the large heap of household junk
he was JCBing.

Problem solved.

Crafty Bugger wrote:

I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

Ta.
No abets boards are sold these days.

Its probably gypsum and glass fibre. Nasty but not carcinogenic, but
wear a mask anyway, and use a hand saw, and if squeamish, wet to
lubricate and kill the dust.

Crafty Bugger wrote:
I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

I think you can buy Ellis Board today. Try a BM for info (sheet
materials?). What makes you think it's Ellis Board?

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:55 +0000, Chris Bacon
wrote:

Crafty Bugger wrote:
I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

I think you can buy Ellis Board today. Try a BM for info (sheet
materials?). What makes you think it's Ellis Board?

I assume you mean "I don't think you can buy Ellis Board today."

I was recommended to buy some Ellis board (for a project I'm working
on) by a bloke at B&Q. They didn't sell it, but I just buy it at my
local Plumb-Centre. They seem to know what i mean when I ask for a
few sheets of it.

It's fairly crumbly stuff, and looks like there are flakes of metal
embedded in it.

If there is another name for it I don't know it.

What do you mean try a BM?

Crafty Bugger wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote:
Crafty Bugger wrote:

I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

I think you can buy Ellis Board today. Try a BM for info (sheet
materials?). What makes you think it's Ellis Board?


I assume you mean "I don't think you can buy Ellis Board today."

No, I mean "I think you can (still) buy Ellis board today" - I seem to
remember seeing it recently.


I was recommended to buy some Ellis board (for a project I'm working
on) by a bloke at B&Q. They didn't sell it, but I just buy it at my
local Plumb-Centre. They seem to know what i mean when I ask for a
few sheets of it.

So you can buy it! Eh?


It's fairly crumbly stuff, and looks like there are flakes of metal
embedded in it.

If there is another name for it I don't know it.

If it's modern, it won't have asbestos in it.


What do you mean try a BM?

Try asking at Jewson's, Travis Perkins, Buildbase, or similar, to see
whether they know what it is.

I think this whole thread is ********.

First of all no such product as Ellis Board exists or ever has as far as
a lot ogf googling is concerned, and secondly, now the OP hads got
everyone on an asbestors roll, he seems to have vanished...Troll?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I think this whole thread is ********.

Beginning to think the same thing!

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I think this whole thread is ********.

First of all no such product as Ellis Board exists or ever has as far as
a lot ogf googling is concerned, and secondly, now the OP hads got
everyone on an asbestors roll, he seems to have vanished...Troll?

http://www.indextimber.co.uk/PR_sheetmaterial.asp

55600030 PROMAT ELLIS BOARD 900X600X6MM £6.50 EACH

shrug

Chris Bacon wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I think this whole thread is ********.

First of all no such product as Ellis Board exists or ever has as far
as a lot ogf googling is concerned, and secondly, now the OP hads got
everyone on an asbestors roll, he seems to have vanished...Troll?


http://www.indextimber.co.uk/PR_sheetmaterial.asp

55600030 PROMAT ELLIS BOARD 900X600X6MM £6.50 EACH

shrug

Well done for finding i. I spent half an hour looking for it.

Well, then the answer is, if its on sale, it hasn't got asbestos in it.

End of thread.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:26:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

I think this whole thread is ********.

First of all no such product as Ellis Board exists or ever has as far as
a lot ogf googling is concerned, and secondly, now the OP hads got
everyone on an asbestors roll, he seems to have vanished...Troll?

Why on earth troll about something like this? Sheesh!

Crafty Bugger wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:55 +0000, Chris Bacon
wrote:


Crafty Bugger wrote:

I think it's called Ellis board. It's a heat resistant board used to
line flues.

I need to saw up quite a bit of it and it seems quite dusty. It looks
like asbestos!

I think you can buy Ellis Board today. Try a BM for info (sheet
materials?). What makes you think it's Ellis Board?


I assume you mean "I don't think you can buy Ellis Board today."

I was recommended to buy some Ellis board (for a project I'm working
on) by a bloke at B&Q. They didn't sell it, but I just buy it at my
local Plumb-Centre. They seem to know what i mean when I ask for a
few sheets of it.


No such product has shown up on any web searches: I've never heard of it.

The material that is normally used is Multiboard, Maxiboard, Masterboard
or Supalux.

It's fairly crumbly stuff, and looks like there are flakes of metal
embedded in it.

Mica probably. If it exists.

Mica in Gypsum. If anything worse than just plain gypsum in tems of
falling to pieces.

Completely harmeless of course - no asbestors bearing board is on
general sale these days.


If there is another name for it I don't know it.

What do you mean try a BM?

Builders mercahnts.