hi,

we're just installing a new IKEA kitchen. Previously we had a wine rack
with 40 or 50 bottles of wine on top of a pair of wall cupboards. Each
of these was held up by brackets in the inside corners which hung onto
metal plates screwed onto the wall - thus a total of 8 number 12 screws
took the weight, and the brackets were well placed to carry a load
placed on top of the cupboards, as the top side rested directly on
them.

We now have just one wider IKEA cupboard in that location, and the
bracket system seems much less robust. Just 2 screws hold the cupboard
up. I used M6 rawlbolts, which I think should be sufficient, but the
brackets themselves are just fixed to the chipboard sides of the
cupboard with 2 stubby 5mm screws.

So i'm nervous about putting much weight on top. Should I be?

I'm wondering about fixing a shelf directly on top of the cupboard to
take the weight, but it would need brackets that hang from the wall
above rather than supporting from below. Do these exist? Can't see any
at Screwfix.

cheers,

rob.

There is some positive stuff on IKEA kitchens and posters who might
know about this in this group thread.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2c99bd61c68953

Selfbuilder

I know the IKEA brackets.
The two stub screws simply hold the friction plate to the chipboard.
You then put on the adjuster plate (small 1-inch square thing with
keyhole shaped hole) and pull the wall fixing tight. This pulls the
entire back of the cupbaord against the wall.

All the force of the wall fixings is in the 1 inch sqaure at each top
corner. If I were you I'd use larger plates so the force is distributed
over a much larger area, then you should be ok.

What actually keeps the cupboard to the wall is the lateral foce
(friction) between the back of the cupbaord and the wall.

I posted just now but I don't think it worked, perhaps because of the
url which I won't put in this time. Theres another discussion going on
in uk diy entitled "Recomendation for kitchen" which might help, it
certainly has posters that know about IKEA kitchens.

There is something very weird going on with this news group!
I'm using google-groups beta and today I'm getting some very confused
postings!

And when reading topics I'm getting some very mixed up threads.

What actually keeps the cupboard to the wall is the lateral foce
(friction) between the back of the cupbaord and the wall.

really? The back of the cupboard is just a thin sheet of hardboard
tacked onto the sides with little pins, i wouldn't think that could
take much weight, I thought the screws to the sides must take the
force.

Me too, I thought it was just me getting mixed up!

wrote in message
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hi,

we're just installing a new IKEA kitchen. Previously we had a wine rack
with 40 or 50 bottles of wine on top of a pair of wall cupboards. Each
of these was held up by brackets in the inside corners which hung onto
metal plates screwed onto the wall - thus a total of 8 number 12 screws
took the weight, and the brackets were well placed to carry a load
placed on top of the cupboards, as the top side rested directly on
them.

We now have just one wider IKEA cupboard in that location, and the
bracket system seems much less robust. Just 2 screws hold the cupboard
up. I used M6 rawlbolts, which I think should be sufficient, but the
brackets themselves are just fixed to the chipboard sides of the
cupboard with 2 stubby 5mm screws.

So i'm nervous about putting much weight on top. Should I be?

I'm wondering about fixing a shelf directly on top of the cupboard to
take the weight, but it would need brackets that hang from the wall
above rather than supporting from below. Do these exist? Can't see any
at Screwfix.

I wouldnt trust fixings like that to hold the cupboards up - let alone with
my wine collection on top.
I would at the very least screw a narrow strip of wood to the wall under the
bottom edge to take the strain ...
My kitchen wall cupboards sit on a frame hanging from noggins between the
ceiling joists on threaded rod.
(to be honest I haven't got around to actually screwing the cupboards to the
frame :-)

I'd have thought any right angle bracket with decent reinforcement would
work reasonably well under tension - though not as well as the right way
up - so use more / bigger ones.

Jeremy

My kitchen wall cupboards sit on a frame hanging from noggins between
the
ceiling joists on threaded rod.

!!! sounds a bit heavy duty - i don't think that would be aesthetically
acceptable!

i think i'll try upside down shelf brackets.

ta.

We keep filling our IKEA wall cupboards with stuff ...and no problem. I
used standard 10s for screwing to the wall. Been paranoid ever since but so
far so good.

Cheers

Nicholas
--
Nicholas Buttle - Quality Joinery and Cabinet Making
http://www.nbjoinery.net


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wrote in message
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My kitchen wall cupboards sit on a frame hanging from noggins between
the
ceiling joists on threaded rod.

!!! sounds a bit heavy duty - i don't think that would be aesthetically
acceptable!

i think i'll try upside down shelf brackets.

ta.

Is not safe to put ANTYHING on Ikea..

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Is not safe to put ANTYHING on Ikea..

As much as i dislike Ikea I have to say their kitchens are excellent quality
and my cupboards (Ikea brackets with no. 10 screws) could carry an elephant.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Is not safe to put ANTYHING on Ikea..


Not quite true. It's perfectly OK to put John Prescott on top of an Ikea
cupboard fixed high up on the outside of the building Ikea want to build
near here.

I cant imagine chipboard taking 50kg on 2 point fixings. The wood strip
under the cupboard is a good way to reinforce them, so is a wood strip
in side the cupboard across the top back.

Any L bracket will work upside down, but baer in mind all the weight on
the shelf is then hanging on a few fixing screws to the bracket, rather
than the wood sitting on the bracket. Think washers if youre putting
weight on it.


NT

Mike wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Is not safe to put ANTYHING on Ikea..



Not quite true. It's perfectly OK to put John Prescott on top of an Ikea
cupboard fixed high up on the outside of the building Ikea want to build
near here.


But that is where you don't want it to be safe.

God I am bored with socialism Nu Laber style.

In message , Mike
writes

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Is not safe to put ANTYHING on Ikea..


Not quite true. It's perfectly OK to put John Prescott on top of an Ikea
cupboard fixed high up on the outside of the building Ikea want to build
near here.


OK, since someone mentioned John Prescot and it has been doing the
rounds at work, go to Google, type in ****wit and hit 'I'm feeling
lucky'.

Priceless.
--
Andrew Sinclair http://www.smellycat.org