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Ariston or Vokera boiler?
Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be
limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. |
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stuart noble wrote:
Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down Can`t comment on the boilers you mention since I have no experiance of either. However I can add to your confusion ;-) I also had the same width limitation when replacing my boiler recently, and found the Ideal Isar range are also less than 400mm wide. The 24kW condensing model would cost in the order of 600 to 700 quid. A google search of this group might also help since I seem to recal others have posted details of narrow boilers. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote in message ... Can`t comment on the boilers you mention since I have no experiance of either. However I can add to your confusion ;-) I also had the same width limitation when replacing my boiler recently, and found the Ideal Isar range are also less than 400mm wide. The 24kW condensing model would cost in the order of 600 to 700 quid. A google search of this group might also help since I seem to recal others have posted details of narrow boilers. Thanks, John. I'll take a look. |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Does Fred Dibnah shop there? Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. The Microgenus is well specced, it even comes with a built-in filling loop. It has a reduced gas rate for CH to reduce cycling and a built-in two minute anti-cycle function. Run a Honeywell CM67 stat/programmer (or equiv) which also has an anti-cycle function, they work well. It has a two year guarantee and a 5 year guarantee on the plate heat exchanger. It is easy to fit. I was talking to the Aniston service agents, their service guys rate the Microgenus and say it is quite reliable. Parts are easy to replace Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today. No matter what combi you fit, fit a phosphor de-scaler to the cold feed and replace the cartridge once a year. You should do this on any water system. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ...
"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Does Fred Dibnah shop there? Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I have a Microgenus, Going on previous threads shouldn't that be microgenera ( genera the plural of the noun genus) Have i got this in before Andy Hall? :-D the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. The Microgenus is well specced, it even comes with a built-in filling loop. It has a reduced gas rate for CH to reduce cycling and a built-in two minute anti-cycle function. Run a Honeywell CM67 stat/programmer (or equiv) which also has an anti-cycle function, they work well. It has a two year guarantee and a 5 year guarantee on the plate heat exchanger. It is easy to fit. I was talking to the Aniston service agents, their service guys rate the Microgenus and say it is quite reliable. Parts are easy to replace Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today. No matter what combi you fit, fit a phosphor de-scaler to the cold feed and replace the cartridge once a year. You should do this on any water system. |
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"steve" wrote in message om... "IMM" wrote in message ... "stuart noble" wrote in message ... Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Does Fred Dibnah shop there? Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I have a Microgenus, Going on previous threads shouldn't that be microgenera ( genera the plural of the noun genus) Have i got this in before Andy Hall? :-D You are witty, so witty. |
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IMM wrote in message ... I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. So do you think it's noisy *because* it's in a cupboard? Noise I don't need as I'm often sitting next to it. Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today Better than the cdi range then? |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... IMM wrote in message ... I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. So do you think it's noisy *because* it's in a cupboard? Noise I don't need as I'm often sitting next to it. Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today Better than the cdi range then? I think so. A brand new design, until next year when all will have to be condensing boilers. |
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IMM wrote in message ... "stuart noble" wrote in message ... IMM wrote in message ... I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. So do you think it's noisy *because* it's in a cupboard? Noise I don't need as I'm often sitting next to it. Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today Better than the cdi range then? I think so. A brand new design, until next year when all will have to be condensing boilers. Cheers. I'll add this to my 400mm wide list |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "stuart noble" wrote in message ... IMM wrote in message ... I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. So do you think it's noisy *because* it's in a cupboard? Noise I don't need as I'm often sitting next to it. Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today Better than the cdi range then? I think so. A brand new design, until next year when all will have to be condensing boilers. Not so Not every situation can be fitted with a condensing boiler due to nuiscance pluming (flats, etc) - so a choice will still be available (B rated). Learnt that yesterday at a Corgi seminar.. (I previously thought as you did) Regards --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 08/06/2004 |
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"Colin eclipse 2" wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote in message ... "stuart noble" wrote in message ... IMM wrote in message ... I have a Microgenus, the more powerful model. So far it is fine after 20 months. A bit noisy, but it is in a solid cupboard in the bathroom so noise is not an issue. So do you think it's noisy *because* it's in a cupboard? Noise I don't need as I'm often sitting next to it. Look at the Worcester-Bosch Junior combi. That has a v small casing too and v simple inside with no 3-way valve. I would probably go for the Junior if buying today Better than the cdi range then? I think so. A brand new design, until next year when all will have to be condensing boilers. Not so Not every situation can be fitted with a condensing boiler due to nuiscance pluming (flats, etc) - so a choice will still be available (B rated). Learnt that yesterday at a Corgi seminar.. (I previously thought as you did) The minimum is 86%. Band B is from 86% to 90%. All boilers in band B are condensing boilers. No non-condensing boiler is permitted next year. |
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"Colin eclipse 2" writes: Not so Not every situation can be fitted with a condensing boiler due to nuiscance pluming (flats, etc) - so a choice will still be available (B rated). When I fitted my Keston, I was quite looking forward to seeing a nice large plume. It was not to be -- the plume it emits is pretty much exactly the same size as my neighbour's non-condensing and my parent's non-condensing boilers. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:39:05 +0100, stuart noble wrote:
Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I have worked on both boilers and would say the Vokera seems to be the better contructed. The both come from South of the Alps. I have not installed either unit so can't really comment further. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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Ed Sirett wrote in message ... I have worked on both boilers and would say the Vokera seems to be the better contructed. The both come from South of the Alps. I have not installed either unit so can't really comment further. Thanks, Ed. How does £350 inc vat fitting charge sound for the South East? Straightforward replacement with 22mm gas already in place and using the same flue hole. |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:48:37 +0100, stuart noble wrote:
Ed Sirett wrote in message ... I have worked on both boilers and would say the Vokera seems to be the better contructed. The both come from South of the Alps. I have not installed either unit so can't really comment further. Thanks, Ed. How does £350 inc vat fitting charge sound for the South East? Straightforward replacement with 22mm gas already in place and using the same flue hole. That's a fair price if the guy flushes the system out as per instructions. Assuming there is no further work (TRVs, better controls?) then 2 days is reasonable allowance, including filling in the 'log book'. I'd download the instructions (they're probably online) and read them up first as then you'll know what needs to be done. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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Ed Sirett wrote in message ... That's a fair price if the guy flushes the system out as per instructions. Hm. A couple of replacements I know of were done without the flushing ("extra £400 guv"). What does it consist of exactly? Is it just running mains pressure water round the system, or something more complicated? |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:52:17 +0100, stuart noble wrote:
Ed Sirett wrote in message ... That's a fair price if the guy flushes the system out as per instructions. Hm. A couple of replacements I know of were done without the flushing ("extra £400 guv"). What does it consist of exactly? Is it just running mains pressure water round the system, or something more complicated? You don't really need to do anything other than organize for water to come in at one end and the dirty water to out at the other. I have yet to be convinced of the use of pumps and other gadgets. Most boiler instructions will ask for existing circuits to be flushed out at least once. At the very least the installer should sign to say he has flushed the system etc. in the log book because the warranty might depend on it. A boiler could be exchanged safely and working OK without folling all the instructions in a day in which case £350 is a bit steep, or maybe I'm too 'reasonable'. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.+ The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I personally wouldn't fit a Vokera - ever (or a Potterton for that matter) I have had too many customers having difficulties with them - I ripped one out at the beginning of this week and fitted a glowworm the guy was so fed up with it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.698 / Virus Database: 455 - Release Date: 08/06/2004 |
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"Colin eclipse 2" wrote in message ... "stuart noble" wrote in message ... Sorry to start another "Which combi" thread but my choices appear to be limited by the width of the casing. At 400mm it seems to boil (sorry) down to the Vokera Compact 24, Ariston Microcombi 23, or Ariston Microgenus 23. My current boiler is a similar spec to these, and is quite adequate, so I won't be considering a higher output. Much as I'd like a condenser, the budget won't quite run to it and I'm slightly put off by the fact that our biggest local trade outlet (6 permanent counter staff) doesn't stock a single condensing boiler. Did I read somewhere that Ariston have a 2 year guarantee? Any other reasons to go for one or the other? Thanks in advance. I personally wouldn't fit a Vokera - ever (or a Potterton for that matter) I have had too many customers having difficulties with them - I ripped one out at the beginning of this week and fitted a glowworm the guy was so fed up with it. I know one fitter who did work for a housing association that only fitted Vokera condensers as they found them reliable. |
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