Hi,

My 28 year old floor standing Ideal boiler is in need of replacement. It's still working OK and heating up the water. So I can't really expect any more from it. It's just very inefficient, noisey and seems to give the room it's located in blackened smokey walls in time. It basically needs a rest before it does go tits up.

I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort. Can you recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've been given quite a good price on the Worcester.

Any ideas? Please help.

RedOnRed wrote:
Hi,

My 28 year old floor standing Ideal boiler is in need of replacement.
It's still working OK and heating up the water. So I can't really expect
any more from it. It's just very inefficient, noisey and seems to give
the room it's located in blackened smokey walls in time. It
basically needs a rest before it does go tits up.

I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort. Can
you recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've been
given quite a good price on the Worcester.

Any ideas? Please help.

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

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RedOnRed wrote:

Hi,

...seems to give the room it's located in blackened smokey walls in time.
It basically needs a rest before it does go tits up.

It sounds rather like combustion products are escaping into the room. If
this is the case, it would not be the boiler going tits up that would be
my primary worry!

I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort.
Can you recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've
been given quite a good price on the Worcester.

Either of those seem to be well regarded by folks on this group, the WB
in particular. Its a pretty common question on this group, so have a
google back at past answers....

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RedOnRed wrote:

Hi,

...seems to give the room it's located in blackened smokey walls in time.
It basically needs a rest before it does go tits up.

It sounds rather like combustion products are escaping into the room. If
this is the case, it would not be the boiler going tits up that would be
my primary worry!

I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort. Can
you recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've
been given quite a good price on the Worcester.

Either of those seem to be well regarded by folks on this group, the WB in
particular. Its a pretty common question on this group, so have a google
back at past answers....

Yes, I can imagine the question being a bit of an evergreen on here, but I
do have a couple of specific questions.

Thanks for your reply anyway.


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"RedOnRed" wrote in message
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Hi,

My 28 year old floor standing Ideal boiler is in need of replacement. It's
still working OK and heating up the water. So I can't really expect any more
from it. It's just very inefficient, noisey and seems to give the room it's
located in blackened smokey walls in time. It basically needs a rest before
it does go tits up.

I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort. Can you
recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've been given quite
a good price on the Worcester.

Any ideas? Please help.


W-B, Vaillant and Glow Worm are all good and the W-B and Glow Worm are well
priced.


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RedOnRed wrote:

Yes, I can imagine the question being a bit of an evergreen on here, but I
do have a couple of specific questions.

What are the specific questions?


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"Dave" wrote in message
...
RedOnRed wrote:
Hi,
My 28 year old floor standing Ideal boiler is in need of replacement.
It's still working OK and heating up the water. So I can't really expect
any more from it. It's just very inefficient, noisey and seems to give
the room it's located in blackened smokey walls in time. It basically
needs a rest before it does go tits up.
I'm going to be getting a new condensing system boiler of some sort. Can
you recommend any? How about Worcester Bosch or Vaillant? I've been given
quite a good price on the Worcester.
Any ideas? Please help.

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

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(The return email address is a dummy)

www.uselessenergy.org.uk will sell you those boilers (through Plumbcenter)
for:

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

HTH

Alex

Alex (YMG) wrote:

www.uselessenergy.org.uk ...

Is there a usefulenergy.org... too ??

;-)



(Reminds me of the giggle circulating a year or 2 back about the name
PowerGen registered for their Italian subsidiary :-)

Alex (YMG) wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

Are these any good?

http://www.plumb-warehouse.co.uk/ish...hopscr595.html

Vailant EcoMax615E, 620E, 628E


# EcoMax system RANGE.
# High Condensing efficiency, SEDBUK Band 'A'.
# Large surface area stainless steel heat exchanger.
# Main system components built in (pump, expansion vessel, automatic air
vent and bypass, frost thermostat).
# Built-in status / diagnostic display.
# Single electronic circuit board.
# Vaillant 2 year guarantee and 5 year anti-scale guarantee.

# Prices Include VAT and Delivery is FREE
EcoMax 615E £446.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 620E £549.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 624E £634.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 628E £714.00 Inc. VAT

Doesn't seem to list flue prices anywhere ...

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:

Alex (YMG) wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

Are these any good?

http://www.plumb-warehouse.co.uk/ish...hopscr595.html

Vailant EcoMax615E, 620E, 628E


# EcoMax system RANGE.
# High Condensing efficiency, SEDBUK Band 'A'.
# Large surface area stainless steel heat exchanger.
# Main system components built in (pump, expansion vessel, automatic air
vent and bypass, frost thermostat).
# Built-in status / diagnostic display.
# Single electronic circuit board.
# Vaillant 2 year guarantee and 5 year anti-scale guarantee.

# Prices Include VAT and Delivery is FREE
EcoMax 615E £446.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 620E £549.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 624E £634.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 628E £714.00 Inc. VAT

I hadn't clocked how very much cheaper the more mnodest (but very
adequate) unit are. The combi series Ecomax 8xx is still very expensive
being over £1000 at trade prices.

Have these prices just been revised? (in anticipation of April no doubt?)


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Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:


Alex (YMG) wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

Are these any good?

http://www.plumb-warehouse.co.uk/ish...hopscr595.html

Vailant EcoMax615E, 620E, 628E


# EcoMax system RANGE.
# High Condensing efficiency, SEDBUK Band 'A'.
# Large surface area stainless steel heat exchanger.
# Main system components built in (pump, expansion vessel, automatic air
vent and bypass, frost thermostat).
# Built-in status / diagnostic display.
# Single electronic circuit board.
# Vaillant 2 year guarantee and 5 year anti-scale guarantee.

# Prices Include VAT and Delivery is FREE
EcoMax 615E £446.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 620E £549.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 624E £634.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 628E £714.00 Inc. VAT


I hadn't clocked how very much cheaper the more mnodest (but very
adequate) unit are. The combi series Ecomax 8xx is still very expensive
being over £1000 at trade prices.

Have these prices just been revised? (in anticipation of April no doubt?)

I first noticed them a few weeks back, don't know how long they've been
that way since I hadn't seen that site before. Can't imagine anyone will
bring prices down in advance of April, though I'd hope eventually
they'll settle down to something like current non-condensing prices when
there's nothing much else around and the big builders are buying them by
the truckload. After all combis don't cost much more than heating-only &
system prices even though they've got lots more inside, presumably due
to volume of sales to the house-builders, so the same _should_ happen
with condis too, shouldn't it? Discuss ..... :-)

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:


Alex (YMG) wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

Are these any good?

http://www.plumb-warehouse.co.uk/ish...hopscr595.html

Vailant EcoMax615E, 620E, 628E


# EcoMax system RANGE.
# High Condensing efficiency, SEDBUK Band 'A'.
# Large surface area stainless steel heat exchanger.
# Main system components built in (pump, expansion vessel, automatic air
vent and bypass, frost thermostat).
# Built-in status / diagnostic display.
# Single electronic circuit board.
# Vaillant 2 year guarantee and 5 year anti-scale guarantee.

# Prices Include VAT and Delivery is FREE
EcoMax 615E £446.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 620E £549.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 624E £634.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 628E £714.00 Inc. VAT


I hadn't clocked how very much cheaper the more mnodest (but very
adequate) unit are. The combi series Ecomax 8xx is still very expensive
being over £1000 at trade prices.

What's the difference between these and the 8xx series then?

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:25:15 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:29:05 +0000, John Stumbles wrote:


Alex (YMG) wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

In case it helps, I recently got these prices (ex VAT, flue & fixing
kit)...
Glowworm 30sxi £610
W-B 28HE £640

Glow-worm 30 sxi £531.06 (ex VAT, but including flue & fixing jig)
W-B 28HE £479.94 (again, ex VAT but including flue & fixing jig - if this
particular boiler uses one)

Are these any good?

http://www.plumb-warehouse.co.uk/ish...hopscr595.html

Vailant EcoMax615E, 620E, 628E


# EcoMax system RANGE.
# High Condensing efficiency, SEDBUK Band 'A'.
# Large surface area stainless steel heat exchanger.
# Main system components built in (pump, expansion vessel, automatic air
vent and bypass, frost thermostat).
# Built-in status / diagnostic display.
# Single electronic circuit board.
# Vaillant 2 year guarantee and 5 year anti-scale guarantee.

# Prices Include VAT and Delivery is FREE
EcoMax 615E £446.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 620E £549.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 624E £634.00 Inc. VAT
EcoMax 628E £714.00 Inc. VAT


I hadn't clocked how very much cheaper the more mnodest (but very
adequate) unit are. The combi series Ecomax 8xx is still very expensive
being over £1000 at trade prices.

What's the difference between these and the 8xx series then?

The 8xx series are the combis.
If the difference between the 6xx series and 8xx series is the same for
the Ecomax range as the Turbomax/Thermocompact range then the 6xx
stuff will be identical except for a selection of 'missing' parts.
Diverter valve, flow detector, 2ndy heat exchanger (aka sardine can), cold
in and hot out pipes. There are even the wires for the combi bits in place
in the 6xx series units.

My guess is that condensors don't cost very much more to make than
conventional (+£100?) so the pricing is all about market share, volume
margins etc. etc.

There must be a hell of a lot of 'marketing' with the prices just
like the pricing structure for instantaneous electric showers - same
model marginally (a few %) thicker but shorter element = +£10 on price.



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The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html