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Holly, in France wrote:
One question though - I am using the tiscali hit counter at the bottom
of the main page. I have been reading a bit on the web about hit
counters, spiders finding email addresses, and hiding the email address
by using java or a third party server. A valid email address is visible
in a link in the HTML like this
http://public.serv.chez.tiscali.fr/b...laddress@tisca
li.fr&cid=1&istrip=T&dd=classicnoir&md

I use the following bit of Javascript on my web pages to obscure an
email address.. I think it works reasonably well:

script language=javascript
var fullName = "Gordon Henderson"
var user = "gordon"
var domain = "drogon.net"
var address = user + "@" + domain
var linkStart = "a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + address + ""
var linkEnd = "/a"
var linkName = linkStart + fullName + linkEnd
var linkAddress = linkStart + address + linkEnd
document.write(linkName + " " + "" + linkAddress + "")
/script

You can see it in action on (eg) http://lion.drogon.net/

It's still clickable, but all a web spider/robot is going to see is that
text above. (Although it's possible a really clever one could interpret it)

Since that is visible to anyone who cares to look, would it also be
visible to the spiders? If so, please can anyone recommend a good, free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

It's been years since I've looked - It's always far better to use the
actual web stats - if you can get hold of them, and there are plenty of
free bits of software to analyse them.

Gordon

Hi all,
Well the gite still isn't quite finished but the first draft of the
website is. A picture of the staircase, (which is similar to but IMO
better than the one Ben Huggins was working on today), and showing
staining on the joists which I have been waffling on about is at:
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr//Gi....htm#staircase
if anyone wants to go there directly, otherwise the link is in my sig.

I hope to do a page with some details about the renovation work,
will post that too when it is done in case people are interested.

Comments on the site welcome, it's very DIY and a bit basic, for those
with old computers like this one, but I think it will do the job.

One question though - I am using the tiscali hit counter at the bottom
of the main page. I have been reading a bit on the web about hit
counters, spiders finding email addresses, and hiding the email address
by using java or a third party server. A valid email address is visible
in a link in the HTML like this
http://public.serv.chez.tiscali.fr/b...laddress@tisca
li.fr&cid=1&istrip=T&dd=classicnoir&md

Since that is visible to anyone who cares to look, would it also be
visible to the spiders? If so, please can anyone recommend a good, free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

--
Holly, in France.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/
email:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:12:28 -0000, "Holly, in France"
strung together this:

Since that is visible to anyone who cares to look, would it also be
visible to the spiders? If so, please can anyone recommend a good, free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

I think newsgroups are the main source of spam. I published my email
address (reluctantly) on a couple of websites I made and haven't had
anything after a couple of months.
I might stick the Java script above in one day though. Can't do any
harm to hide it, as long as people have Java support in their browser.
--

SJW
Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject

Gordon Henderson wrote in message
Holly, wrote:

One question though - I am using the tiscali hit counter at the
bottom of the main page. I have been reading a bit on the
web about hit counters, spiders finding email addresses,
and hiding the email address by using java or a third party
server. A valid email address is visible in a link in the HTML
like this:

http://public.serv.chez.tiscali.fr/b...myrealaddress@
tiscali.fr&cid=1&istrip=T&dd=classicnoir&md


I use the following bit of Javascript on my web pages to obscure an
email address.. I think it works reasonably well:

script language=javascript
var fullName = "Gordon Henderson"
var user = "gordon"
var domain = "drogon.net"
var address = user + "@" + domain
var linkStart = "a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + address + ""
var linkEnd = "/a"
var linkName = linkStart + fullName + linkEnd
var linkAddress = linkStart + address + linkEnd
document.write(linkName + " " + "" + linkAddress + "")
/script

You can see it in action on (eg) http://lion.drogon.net/

Yes indeed, thanks for that, just the job. I will update my contact page
using something similar, and leave the address with the 'removethis'
aswell for those not using/enabling javascript. It won't help with the
problem of the live address which is required for the hit counter
though.....

snip...... please can anyone recommend a good, free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

It's been years since I've looked - It's always far better to use the
actual web stats - if you can get hold of them, and there are plenty
of
free bits of software to analyse them.

Haven't been able to find out about that so far, it's on the to do list.
Anyone know whether and where it is possible on the uk tiscali site? It
is more difficult finding my way about in French, the sites might be
similar and it would be helpful if I had a clue where to look!
--
Holly, in France.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/
email:

Holly, in France wrote:

Since that is visible to anyone who cares to look, would it also be
visible to the spiders? If so, please can anyone recommend a good, free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

How about http://www.nedstat.com - it doesn't have a counter on the page
though, if that's what you specifically need; but you log into "My
Nedstat" which gives a list of stats (mainly hits, if you use the
freebie version) for the webpage concerned.

(By the way, as a PS can I extol the virtues of www.tinyurl.com - the
lengthy links you posted in your previous message were broken by line
breaks on my screen, and needed to be "reassembled" to make sense!)

David

Lobster wrote in message:
Holly rote:

Since that is visible to anyone who cares to look, would it also be
visible to the spiders? If so, please can anyone recommend a good,
free,
completely anonymous counter out of the hundreds available? TIA.

How about http://www.nedstat.com -

Thanks, I will have a look.

it doesn't have a counter on the page
though, if that's what you specifically need;

No, not necessarily, just want to know the stats, roughly.

but you log into "My Nedstat" which gives a list of stats
(mainly hits, if you use the
freebie version) for the webpage concerned.

(By the way, as a PS can I extol the virtues of www.tinyurl.com
- the lengthy links you posted in your previous message were
broken by line breaks on my screen, and needed to be
"reassembled" to make sense!)

Ah yes, I see what you mean. It wasn't supposed to be a link at all,
just a quote from the HTML to show how the valid email address appeared
within it. I guess the fact that the quote began with http:/ etc fooled
our browsers into thinking that it was a link. Hope no one tried to
follow it, don't know what they would have come up with :-)

Holly
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/
email:

Comments on the site welcome, it's very DIY and a bit basic, for
those
with old computers like this one, but I think it will do the job.

I wouldn't worry about website being basic - the simpler the better in
my view. It's easy to read, quick to download and perfectly OK.
Every time I try to go more designery with my own site I find that the
content suffers - I just don't have time for both.

I was amused by your suggestion that stone walls are cool in summer and
warm in winter. It's a popular rural myth. I've lived in several stone
buildings and believe me they are cool in summer and even cooler in
winter. Effin freezin in fact unless you want an enormous fuel bill.
Stone is highly heat conductive - about one sixtieth of the insulation
value of polystyrene insulation . Granite even worse.
If you plan to live there in winter you'll need masses of insulation,
or very thick underwear

cheers

Jacob

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I was amused by your suggestion that stone walls are cool in summer and
warm in winter. It's a popular rural myth. I've lived in several stone
buildings and believe me they are cool in summer and even cooler in
winter. Effin freezin in fact unless you want an enormous fuel bill.
Stone is highly heat conductive - about one sixtieth of the insulation
value of polystyrene insulation . Granite even worse.
If you plan to live there in winter you'll need masses of insulation,
or very thick underwear

I don't find it a problem living through the winter, or not at least
till overnights get well below freezing and the temperature stays below
all day. In the summer it takes a long hot spell for the house to get
uncomfortably hot.

I wonder how Dave Liquorice gets on. ISTR he lives at some height in the
middle of nowhere while I am at only 535 feet above MSL.

--
Roger

wrote in message ...

Comments on the site welcome, it's very DIY and a bit basic, for
those with old computers like this one, but I think it will do the
job.

I wouldn't worry about website being basic - the simpler the better in
my view. It's easy to read, quick to download and perfectly OK.

Good, thanks for looking and for your reply.


I was amused by your suggestion that stone walls are cool in summer
and
warm in winter. It's a popular rural myth. I've lived in several stone
buildings and believe me they are cool in summer and even cooler in
winter. Effin freezin in fact unless you want an enormous fuel bill.
Stone is highly heat conductive - about one sixtieth of the
insulation
value of polystyrene insulation . Granite even worse.
If you plan to live there in winter you'll need masses of insulation,
or very thick underwear

Well, I have to beg to differ here. This is our fourth winter here and
we truly have found that once the house is warmed up it holds the heat
very well indeed. Underfloors and attics are well insulated it's true,
and windows are double glazed, but the stone is exposed on the inside
and outside of the walls and it seems easy enough to keep warm. This is
with temperatures which commonly reach -10deg C, have been know to go
below -15 and it has been known for the temp to remain below freezing
day and night for a week. Didn't you see the pic of my daughter skating
on the webpage? :-) Heating is by means of a woodburner and a wood fire
with back boiler, both running three upstairs radiators by gravity. We
have our own wood so don't have to worry about the cost of it so I don't
know how much it would cost to heat by other methods.

Our previous house was stone too, although with better insulation in the
walls, and that was fine too, with not over-expensive oil bills.
Previous houses were 1970s block built bungalow which was seriously hard
to heat, and a 1940s brick ex-council house which was somewhere in
between.

Another point about the stone walls. In summer our front wall is exposed
to the sun all day long. Walking beside it at night is literally like
standing beside a radiator.

--
Holly, in France.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/
email:

Holly, in France wrote in message
...


Lobster wrote in message:

How about http://www.nedstat.com -

Thanks, I will have a look.

Well, I have now done so, at length! Looks good, it was a good idea,
thanks, but I had endless attempts at trying to register, filling in the
forms etc but couldn't get the 'next' button to work. Tried shutting
down webwasher, the firewall, putting it in IE trusted sites and
allowing everything but still came to a . Will try again another time.
--
Holly, in France.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/

Holly, in France wrote:

Holly, in France wrote in message
...


Lobster wrote in message:


How about http://www.nedstat.com -

Thanks, I will have a look.


Well, I have now done so, at length! Looks good, it was a good idea,
thanks, but I had endless attempts at trying to register, filling in the
forms etc but couldn't get the 'next' button to work. Tried shutting
down webwasher, the firewall, putting it in IE trusted sites and
allowing everything but still came to a . Will try again another time.

Oh dear! I don't recall any such issues when I registered a few months
back - maybe the site was just having an off day?

David

Holly, in France wrote:

wrote in message ...


Comments on the site welcome, it's very DIY and a bit basic, for
those with old computers like this one, but I think it will do the

job.

I wouldn't worry about website being basic - the simpler the better in
my view. It's easy to read, quick to download and perfectly OK.


Good, thanks for looking and for your reply.



I was amused by your suggestion that stone walls are cool in summer

and

warm in winter. It's a popular rural myth. I've lived in several stone
buildings and believe me they are cool in summer and even cooler in
winter. Effin freezin in fact unless you want an enormous fuel bill.
Stone is highly heat conductive - about one sixtieth of the

insulation

value of polystyrene insulation . Granite even worse.
If you plan to live there in winter you'll need masses of insulation,
or very thick underwear


Well, I have to beg to differ here. This is our fourth winter here and
we truly have found that once the house is warmed up it holds the heat
very well indeed. Underfloors and attics are well insulated it's true,
and windows are double glazed, but the stone is exposed on the inside
and outside of the walls and it seems easy enough to keep warm. This is
with temperatures which commonly reach -10deg C, have been know to go
below -15 and it has been known for the temp to remain below freezing
day and night for a week. Didn't you see the pic of my daughter skating
on the webpage? :-) Heating is by means of a woodburner and a wood fire
with back boiler, both running three upstairs radiators by gravity. We
have our own wood so don't have to worry about the cost of it so I don't
know how much it would cost to heat by other methods.

Our previous house was stone too, although with better insulation in the
walls, and that was fine too, with not over-expensive oil bills.
Previous houses were 1970s block built bungalow which was seriously hard
to heat, and a 1940s brick ex-council house which was somewhere in
between.

Another point about the stone walls. In summer our front wall is exposed
to the sun all day long. Walking beside it at night is literally like
standing beside a radiator.


Stone may be 60 times as conductive as polystyrene,but that's why the
old castles had 60 times thicker walls

I looked it up - a 3 foot thick stone wall is a better insulator than a
triple glazed window. How about that?

Granite is three times colder than brick, so a 9" solid brick wall is
equivalent to a 27" granite one.

Granite is 100 times worse than celotex, so a meter of granite is as
good as 10mm of celotex.

To get a component U value of about 0.45 or so (basic sort of standard)
requires 6 meters of granite. :-)

Or 2 meters of solid brick!!!

Sandstone is a bit warmer I think.

Note that plastering the inside is quite a difference. Plaster is 5
times better than granite, so an inch of plaster is as good as 5" of
granite :-)



--
Holly, in France.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr/
email:

Haven't checked in my little book but that all sounds about right.
Very interesting really - it means that the much derided polystryrene
backed wall paper with about 3mm of insulation will actually double the
u value of a 9" brick wall. etc etc

"Architect's Pocket Book" Charlotte Baden-Powell. (some relation? cold
baths etc?)

cheers

Jacob

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| I looked it up - a 3 foot thick stone wall is a better insulator than
| a triple glazed window. How about that? ...
| Note that plastering the inside is quite a difference. Plaster is 5
| times better than granite, so an inch of plaster is as good as 5" of
| granite :-)

Wood panelling inside if you could afford it would also make a big
difference I would think.

Owain

Lobster wrote in message news
Holly, wrote:

Lobster wrote in message:


How about http://www.nedstat.com -

Thanks, I will have a look.


Well, I have now done so, at length! Looks good, it was a good idea,
thanks, but I had endless attempts at trying to register, filling in
the
forms etc but couldn't get the 'next' button to work. snip

Oh dear! I don't recall any such issues when I registered a
few months back - maybe the site was just having an off day?

Yup, must have been, have managed to register today. Now awaiting their
email to see what to do.what happens next....

Holly