Anyone notice this in the Part-P FAQ as per official documentation from ECA

12) Q. Will wholesalers and shops be stopped from selling electrical goods
to the

general public?

A. No, because DIY electrical work will still be permitted. The hope is,
however,

that most people will be discouraged from DIY work as a result of the

introduction of Part P.

Over reaction from the Nanny state, encouraged no doubt by death of an
MP's daughter by faulty kitchen installer's handiwork.
Number of deaths from electrical causes is relatively low, though
ideally one is too many.

The ECA & NICEIC have been envious of control that Corgi rightly had
over gas installations, and now effectively getting similar treatment.
Original intention was that all installers should be certified by
competent body, as happens in most of Europe already, N America; that
was acceptable but now like Germany DIY Electrical work is restricted.
So in Germany for Exterior lighting with PIR for example it will run on
12v DC supply, plugged into mains; DIY'er can work on 12v part, not on
mains voltage end.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:27:55 -0000, "TonyK"
wrote:

Anyone notice this in the Part-P FAQ as per official documentation from ECA

12) Q. Will wholesalers and shops be stopped from selling electrical goods
to the

general public?

A. No, because DIY electrical work will still be permitted. The hope is,
however,

that most people will be discouraged from DIY work as a result of the

introduction of Part P.


I bet they do.

The ECA was one of the main movers and shakers behind this nonsense.

Along the same lines, the Institute of Plumbers says that "putting up
of a few shelves" is OK as a DIY task, but that plumbing needs a
professional.

Expect them to launch their campaign any day now, backed up with the
solid evidence that leaking plumbing causes dry rot and therefore
thousands of deaths per year from people falling through floors.



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Along the same lines, the Institute of Plumbers says that "putting up
of a few shelves" is OK as a DIY task, but that plumbing needs a
professional.

Maybe plumbing is a task left for pros ;o). Spent a couple of days laying
new pipe in kitchen and bathroom, only to find that the kitchen plumbing
needs to be moved because of IKEA Bl**dy kitchen with no service void. At
least if a pro did it I could get them to do it again...... Now I have to
re-plumb ( at least will be semi pro with all the soldering I'm doing
think I will use pushfit copper next time.

In article .com,
wrote:
Over reaction from the Nanny state, encouraged no doubt by death
of an MP's daughter by faulty kitchen installer's handiwork.

The latter happened after Part P was published, though has been used
to argue that Part P is a good thing [TM].

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wrote
| Over reaction from the Nanny state, encouraged no doubt by death of an
| MP's daughter by faulty kitchen installer's handiwork.
| Number of deaths from electrical causes is relatively low, though
| ideally one is too many.

If people grew their own tobacco the tobacco industry would be pressing for
greater regulation. They don't, so the tobacco industry opposes regulation.

| Original intention was that all installers should be certified by
| competent body, as happens in most of Europe already, N America; that
| was acceptable

Unfortunately as seen with numerous tradesmen, being certified by a
'competent body' is no guarantee of competence.

| but now like Germany DIY Electrical work is restricted.
| So in Germany for Exterior lighting with PIR for example it will run on
| 12v DC supply, plugged into mains; DIY'er can work on 12v part, not on
| mains voltage end.

patriotic rant We fought a war so that Britons could walk freely on
British soil without the demand "papieren bitte!". An Englishman's home is
his castle, and he should be allowed to rewire it if he wants. rant over

Owain

Agree; ship's steward should return to being just that, not creating
the empire that is the ODPM!!

On 31 Dec 2004 05:10:06 -0800, "Gel"
wrote:

Agree; ship's steward should return to being just that, not creating
the empire that is the ODPM!!

Cabin boy, more like. :-)



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"Gel" wrote in message
oups.com...
Agree; ship's steward should return to being just that, not creating
the empire that is the ODPM!!


Well you all know where to put your X next May then !!!

In message , Owain
writes
wrote
| Over reaction from the Nanny state, encouraged no doubt by death of an
| MP's daughter by faulty kitchen installer's handiwork.
| Number of deaths from electrical causes is relatively low, though
| ideally one is too many.

If people grew their own tobacco the tobacco industry would be pressing for
greater regulation. They don't, so the tobacco industry opposes regulation.

| Original intention was that all installers should be certified by
| competent body, as happens in most of Europe already, N America; that
| was acceptable

Unfortunately as seen with numerous tradesmen, being certified by a
'competent body' is no guarantee of competence.

| but now like Germany DIY Electrical work is restricted.
| So in Germany for Exterior lighting with PIR for example it will run on
| 12v DC supply, plugged into mains; DIY'er can work on 12v part, not on
| mains voltage end.

patriotic rant We fought a war so that Britons could walk freely on
British soil without the demand "papieren bitte!". An Englishman's home is
his castle, and he should be allowed to rewire it if he wants. rant over

You'd better join the war on ID cards then

--
geoff

In message , Mike
writes

"Gel" wrote in message
roups.com...
Agree; ship's steward should return to being just that, not creating
the empire that is the ODPM!!


Well you all know where to put your X next May then !!!

The problem is that I don't

unless there's a "none of the above" box


--
geoff

An Englishman's home is his castle,

Indeed it is, until he tries to sell it.

"raden" wrote
| patriotic rant ... rant over
| You'd better join the war on ID cards then

I'm already fully occupied with the war on Chip N Pin :-)

Owain

Owain wrote:

I'm already fully occupied with the war on Chip N Pin :-)

My main debit card has been C&P since march 2003, Halfords were one of
the very few shops that were geared up for C&P at that time, and my card
was accepted in C&P mode there.

I thought it would just be a metter of time for other shops to convert,
knowing that the "deadline" as as far as they are concerned regarding
fraud liability was end of 2004.

Lots of shops (but not all, notably Sainsbury) *have* now changed over,
but whenever I try to use it in C&P mode lately it can obviously be read
via the chip (doesn't need to be swiped) but I still get asked to sign,
never to enter PIN :-(

Barclays say nothing wrong with the card, it should be accepted for C&P,
anyway it's silver stripe has worn off now, so replacement in post, hope
that likes C&P better as presumably shops will start getting iffy about
signing before too long?

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"raden" wrote
| patriotic rant ... rant over
| You'd better join the war on ID cards then

I'm already fully occupied with the war on Chip N Pin :-)


Glad to hear it!

If you want a laugh, phone up your credit card companies & tell them that
you don't want to have the possiblity of accidentally withdrawing cash from
an ATM when you stick the wrong card in there ('cos the only way of
remembering PINs for a multitude of cards is to set them all the same,
right?) so you want the withdrawal limit setting to zero.

Think I'm going to glue a lump of plastic to the front of mine to stop them
going into ATMs......


--
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mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

In message , raden
writes
In message , Mike
writes

Well you all know where to put your X next May then !!!

The problem is that I don't

unless there's a "none of the above" box


Spoil the paper e.g. mark all the entries. It then has to be counted and
the result published, so you can publicly say 'none of the above'
instead of 'I can't be bothered'.

I take the approach that, even if there's nobody I want to vote for,
there's always at least one I definitely want to vote against.
--
Joe

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:

I'm already fully occupied with the war on Chip N Pin :-)

My main debit card has been C&P since march 2003, Halfords were one of
the very few shops that were geared up for C&P at that time, and my card
was accepted in C&P mode there.

I thought it would just be a metter of time for other shops to convert,
knowing that the "deadline" as as far as they are concerned regarding
fraud liability was end of 2004.

Lots of shops (but not all, notably Sainsbury) *have* now changed over,
but whenever I try to use it in C&P mode lately it can obviously be read
via the chip (doesn't need to be swiped) but I still get asked to sign,
never to enter PIN :-(

Barclays say nothing wrong with the card, it should be accepted for C&P,
anyway it's silver stripe has worn off now, so replacement in post, hope
that likes C&P better as presumably shops will start getting iffy about
signing before too long?

I went to B & Q quite recently, after Christmas, they don't or didn't use
chip n pin when I went to pay for my purchases. Pretty good job really, 7
cards worth of numbers takes some doing....
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:42:27 UTC, "troubleinstore"
wrote:

I went to B & Q quite recently, after Christmas, they don't or didn't use
chip n pin when I went to pay for my purchases. Pretty good job really, 7
cards worth of numbers takes some doing....

Our larger B&Q warehouse is C&P, but a smaller one isn't - yet.
--
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"Owain" wrote in message

patriotic rant We fought a war so that Britons could walk freely on
British soil without the demand "papieren bitte!". An Englishman's home is
his castle, and he should be allowed to rewire it if he wants. rant over

late

Huzzah!

Mary

Owain

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"raden" wrote
| patriotic rant ... rant over
| You'd better join the war on ID cards then

I'm already fully occupied with the war on Chip N Pin :-)

So am I.

Mary

Owain