Today I had the unfortunate need to use the Total service station at
clackets lane on the M25 (car side!).

In the gents there is a hand basin in the corner, attached to the back wall.
On the side wall to the right, right above the basin, is an electric hand
drier
Just to the right of this drier there is a switched FCU for the direr

Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands?
It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.

Just curious!

Sparks...

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:08:17 -0000, "Sparks" strung
together this:

Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands?
It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.

Zones only apply if there is abath or shower in the room, sinks on
there own don't count. Kitchens don't have zones, and you get sockets
a lot closer to sinks than you've seen that fused spur. As far as the
regs are concerned, it's not the wet hands that are the issue, but
standing in a bath\shower tray full of water.
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"Sparks" wrote in message
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Today I had the unfortunate need to use the Total service station at
clackets lane on the M25 (car side!).

In the gents there is a hand basin in the corner, attached to the back
wall.
On the side wall to the right, right above the basin, is an electric hand
drier
Just to the right of this drier there is a switched FCU for the direr

Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands?
It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.

Just curious!

Sparks...



A fused spur unit with flex outlet would have been OK, but to have one with
a switch on it is a no, no. Was the switch functional? Did you try to turn
the drier off using the switch? It might have been the only one the Spark
had in his box of tricks, but he might have removed the switch function on
it.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:16:57 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this:

A fused spur unit with flex outlet would have been OK, but to have one with
a switch on it is a no, no.

Utter nonsense.

It might have been the only one the Spark
had in his box of tricks, but he might have removed the switch function on
it.

You can't, it's either a switched fused spur or it's not.
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"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:16:57 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this:

A fused spur unit with flex outlet would have been OK, but to have one
with
a switch on it is a no, no.

Utter nonsense.

It might have been the only one the Spark
had in his box of tricks, but he might have removed the switch function
on
it.

You can't, it's either a switched fused spur or it's not.


I thought this was a wind up from someone called Sparks. So I was really
being facetious.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:48:20 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this:

I thought this was a wind up from someone called Sparks. So I was really
being facetious.

Erm, whatever. Sounds a bit feeble as made up excuses and
backpedalling go!
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In the gents there is a hand basin in the corner, attached to the back
wall.
On the side wall to the right, right above the basin, is an electric hand
drier
Just to the right of this drier there is a switched FCU for the direr

Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands?
It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.

It is almost certainly perfectly acceptable. There is a rule of thumb of
30cm from the taps, but this is not set in stone.

Christian.

Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands?
It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.

Zones only apply if there is abath or shower in the room, sinks on
there own don't count. Kitchens don't have zones, and you get sockets
a lot closer to sinks than you've seen that fused spur. As far as the
regs are concerned, it's not the wet hands that are the issue, but
standing in a bath\shower tray full of water.

Thanks for that, seems clearer now!

I still think it is very strange this is allowed in a public toilet, as to
people who may not know better, it is just asking to be switched when the
user is using the drier with wet hands!

Sparks

I still think it is very strange this is allowed in a public toilet, as to
people who may not know better, it is just asking to be switched when the
user is using the drier with wet hands!

Which wouldn't actually be that dangerous, really. You are very unlikely to
take your shoes off in a public toilet. Wet hands are unlikely to result in
a short between the the live and your hands. The reason bathrooms have
additional requirements is that you are likely to be walking around with wet
feet and no shoes, which makes everything more dangerous.

I've accidentally touched a live conductor when fully dressed and shoed
before and not really felt anything at all, just a slight tingle.

Christian.

"Christian McArdle" wrote
| It is almost certainly perfectly acceptable. There is a rule of
| thumb of 30cm from the taps, but this is not set in stone.

However, this is a motorway services loo where there is, presumably, a high
risk of vandalism over and above the usual risks associated with a place
open to the public. I would be more concerned about that than wet hands. Use
of a plastic accessory at an accessible height might not be considered good
practice in such a location.

Owain

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:09:39 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
strung together this:

There is a rule of thumb of
30cm from the taps, but this is not set in stone.

I think the exact wording in BS7671 is "reasonable distance", again.
The NICEIC technical manual mentions 300mm, but as you say, it's more
of a guide\recommendation.
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"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:48:20 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this:

I thought this was a wind up from someone called Sparks. So I was really
being facetious.

Erm, whatever. Sounds a bit feeble as made up excuses and
backpedalling go!

SJW


"Sparks" is asking a question about electrical installations. Feeble and
back pedalling? :-)) LOL!!! OK then. I still thought it was a wind up.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:19:34 GMT, "BigWallop"
strung together this:

"Sparks" is asking a question about electrical installations.

Maybe he works on HV lines, or has a unusually large reserve of static
electricity within him, or maybe he makes spark plugs, or maybe he
works on the dodgems at a fair, or maybe......
You get the idea. ;-)

Feeble and
back pedalling? :-)) LOL!!! OK then. I still thought it was a wind up.

You can never tell, I'm often amazed at some of the serious questions
on various groups etc...
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