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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:58:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



A friend of mine ramarked that Finland was full of gorgeous girls until
they got to 25, at which point they mutated into spheres.

There are two main origins...

Those of Swedish extraction and those of Russian.

The latter tend to be less attractive.

I've heard the same said of Italian women.


..andy

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:59:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



venison is fine, but 48 ways of preparing herring that ends up tasting
jusy like herring is boring.


You're wrong there. They are all quite different.



..andy

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In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

[Scandinavia]

Have you ever actually been there?

He can't have. I have a friend just south of Vetlanda in Sweden. Wonderful
place, lovely people and traditional food is different (of course) but great
on the whole.

--
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Home account classic.vispa.com

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:48:51 +0100, Andy Luckman
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

[Scandinavia]

Have you ever actually been there?

He can't have. I have a friend just south of Vetlanda in Sweden. Wonderful
place, lovely people and traditional food is different (of course) but great
on the whole.


Near to Jönköping?

IIRC, the region of lakes and forests.


..andy

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"Andy Luckman" wrote in message
...
In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

[Scandinavia]

Have you ever actually been there?

He can't have. I have a friend just south of Vetlanda in Sweden. Wonderful
place, lovely people and traditional food is different (of course) but
great
on the whole.

I went there and didn't like it.

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Andy Hall wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:58:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



A friend of mine ramarked that Finland was full of gorgeous girls until
they got to 25, at which point they mutated into spheres.

There are two main origins...

Those of Swedish extraction and those of Russian.

The latter tend to be less attractive.

I've heard the same said of Italian women.

The Russian-Italians are less attractive than the Swedish-Italians?

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:17:59 -0400, S Viemeister
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:58:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



A friend of mine ramarked that Finland was full of gorgeous girls until
they got to 25, at which point they mutated into spheres.

There are two main origins...

Those of Swedish extraction and those of Russian.

The latter tend to be less attractive.

I've heard the same said of Italian women.

The Russian-Italians are less attractive than the Swedish-Italians?

In the Italian case, I'm convinced that it's metamorphosis.

Up to a certain age, you see the petite young ladies going round on
motor scooters and the like.

Then they appear in large black dresses in the kitchen draining huge
pans of pasta; or on TV advertorial programs selling the latest
gadget, mainly with their arms.

There never seems to be anything in between.

I am also convinced that body language is inversely proportional to
either temperature or latitude.



..andy

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geoff wrote in message ...
In message , IMM
writes

Blimye. What a thread. Bloody thought police jumping down the mans
throat because he wants to waste his money.

It's the British talent for envy, cant and hypocrisy coming to the fore
again!

Where? Telling someone he is doing something very stupid is not envy. I
cant see any envy.


But I see a lack of sense of responsibility on the part of those that
think "If I can afford to waste energy, it's OK"

We're heading towards a potential energy crisis

That is potentially a problem.

and runaway global
warming and the ostriches bury their head in the sand and think it's not
their problem

There are ostriches on both sides. Many with their heads in the sand
ignoring the mass of evidence that "global warming" is completely
natural and has little or nothing to do with human activity, if it is
actually happening at all.

MBQ

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"MBQ" wrote in message
om...
geoff wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes

Blimye. What a thread. Bloody thought police jumping down the mans
throat because he wants to waste his money.

It's the British talent for envy, cant and hypocrisy coming to the
fore
again!

Where? Telling someone he is doing something very stupid is not envy.
I
cant see any envy.


But I see a lack of sense of responsibility on the part of those that
think "If I can afford to waste energy, it's OK"

We're heading towards a potential energy crisis

That is potentially a problem.

and runaway global
warming and the ostriches bury their head in the sand and think it's not
their problem

There are ostriches on both sides. Many with their heads in the sand
ignoring the mass of evidence that "global warming" is completely
natural and has little or nothing to do with human activity, if it is
actually happening at all.

Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.

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"IMM" wrote in message
...
Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.

Fortunately, science doesn't work on a consensus basis.

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"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.

Fortunately, science doesn't work on a consensus basis.

Too true and all scientists all agree, so it must be right.

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"IMM" wrote in message news:c5lgbs$6l9 All this crap about global warming

Global warming is an accepted fact by all the world's top scientists.

No, only by the few who have signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which
has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with saving the
Earth. There are plenty of others who disagree (the silent majority as
usual).

Remember its only 30 years since the doomsayers were telling us we
were all going to variously freeze/starve to death/run out of oil 10
years ago. Where are they now? Retired on the fat profits they made
from their books bought by gullible idiots. That didn't work so now
the new generation are telling us we're going to die of overheating.

Take your blinkers off and look at the evidence, e.g. why does the
data from satellites show no appreciable warming? Look at the number
of temperature records tainted by urban heat island effects that show
warming and then look at the number of clean records that show little
or no appreciable warming, or even cooling.

What warming there is, is a natural cycle and has nothing to do with
human activity. We're still recovering from the "little ice age" when
the Thames used to freeze over, to something more akin to the medieval
warm period.

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"MBQ" wrote in message
om...
"IMM" wrote in message news:c5lgbs$6l9 All this
crap about global warming

Global warming is an accepted fact by all the world's top scientists.

No, only by the few who have signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which
has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with saving the
Earth. There are plenty of others who disagree (the silent majority as
usual).

Name them please.

snip drivel

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"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments
have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.

Fortunately, science doesn't work on a consensus basis.

Too true and all scientists all agree, so it must be right.

You have excelled youself - self-contradiction within a one-line
sentence.

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Please get your attributions correct so that IMM will not feel hurt. I
wrote about the global warming crap!

Regards
Capitol

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In message , MBQ
writes
"IMM" wrote in message news:c5lgbs$6l9 All
this crap about global warming


Answer provided by a friend in the business ...

" Global warming is an accepted fact by all the world's top
scientists.

No, only by the few who have signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which
has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with saving the
Earth. There are plenty of others who disagree (the silent majority as
usual).

Politicians (on behalf of their countries) signed up to the Kyoto
Protocol; it's impossible for scientists to do so. So the first few
words are garbage - not a good start!

I myself (as a scientist working in the climate area) disagreed with the
Kyoto Protocol from a number of perspectives - including the fact that
it didn't go nearly far enough and wasn't particularly fair to poorer
nations. But to suggest that a majority of scientists disagree with
global warming theories, and are simply keeping schtumm to hide their
numbers (ooh crafty) is highly disingenuous and requires a modicum of
evidence.

Remember its only 30 years since the doomsayers were telling us we
were all going to variously freeze/starve to death/run out of oil 10
years ago. Where are they now? Retired on the fat profits they made
from their books bought by gullible idiots. That didn't work so now
the new generation are telling us we're going to die of overheating.

Who's saying that? It's an absolute fact that we're warming up but IF
you're going to die of it, (and unless you're very very young I'd expect
old age or accident to take you instead), it'll be from either global
unrest (displaced peoples, etc) or disease (eg, Britain is now
borderline-capable of supporting malarial mosquitos).

Take your blinkers off and look at the evidence, e.g. why does the
data from satellites show no appreciable warming?

Satellites aren't measuring the surface or sea temperature, as you
presumably know, they're measuring the tropospheric temperature. The US
National Academy of Sciences established an expert panel which
concluded that the warming measured at the surface was real, and not
invalidated by satellite measurements. They were not able to fully
explain the anomalies (nobody is, yet) but suggested that the two
massive volcanic eruptions in the last 20 years, plus the depletion of
stratospheric ozone, would certainly contribute to a cooling at
mid-tropospheric height.

Look at the number of temperature records tainted by urban heat
island effects that show warming and then look at the number of clean
records that show little or no appreciable warming, or even cooling.

Heat island effects have been known about for decades and sophisticated
techniques are used to compensate for them. Rural records do show a
significant rise so I've no idea what's being alluded to by 'clean
records'. I'd also note that marine records also show a significant
temperature rise - what's that due to, then? Atlantis?

Incidentally there are plenty of errors in satellite records - changing
orbits, gradual descent towards the troposhpere, etc - which also have
to be corrected. Or are those corrections right and the heat island
ones wrong? g

What warming there is, is a natural cycle and has nothing to do with
human activity. We're still recovering from the "little ice age" when
the Thames used to freeze over, to something more akin to the medieval
warm period. "

ROFL. Nobody on this planet can state with certainty that it is a
natural cycle unless they know what the natural cycle is. That's why
people like me are working to get an idea of what the temperatures were
like in the past - hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of years
ago. And what we've found so far is that the rate of temperature rise
in the last 200 years, and especially in the last 50, is unprecedented
to our knowledge. And since the tree record goes back 10,000 years and
the Earth's apparently only 6,000 years old, I reckon we've go that one
covered :-)

HOWEVER I'm not generally inclined to get into these debates as, for
me, they kinda miss the point.

To illustrate my position, I'll pretend to agree with matey here, and
we'll say that Global Warming's a theory with a lot of uncertainty
attached to it. Hell, let's say instead of the Global Warming theory we
just have a big board with '?' on it.

So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?




--
geoff

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"geoff" wrote in message
...

So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?

I'd like to see a justifiction for that too. A sensible one.

Mary

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In article , Andy Hall
wrote:


Near to Jönköping?

IIRC, the region of lakes and forests.

Some way south. The drive in a hire car from Gothenberg is wonderful. Wide
open roads with no litter, no road works and with plenty of laybys with road
and travel information. I have been invited back (can't imagine why :-) )
but SHMBO says it is too boring!

The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

--
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Home account classic.vispa.com

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In article , IMM
wrote:

I went there and didn't like it.

Apart perhaps from Cuba, there are few places where a daft Trot
would feel at home.

--
AJL Electronics
Home account classic.vispa.com

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"IMM" wrote in message
...
Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.


Totally agree with your first sentence but I think the second should say
something like :

"ALL major scientists and governments except the one based somewhere between
Canada and Mexico have recognised that man is influencing global warming."

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"Andy Luckman" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
wrote:

I went there and didn't like it.

Apart perhaps from Cuba, there are few places where a daft Trot
would feel at home.

What are you on about?

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"geoff" wrote in message
...
Take your blinkers off and look at the evidence, e.g. why does the
data from satellites show no appreciable warming?

Satellites aren't measuring the surface or sea temperature, as you
presumably know, they're measuring the tropospheric temperature.

I presume you mean weather satellites or something. There are definitely
research satellites which are measuring sea temperature quite effectively -
and showing it rising.

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:17:18 +0100, Andy Luckman
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:


Near to Jönköping?

IIRC, the region of lakes and forests.

Some way south. The drive in a hire car from Gothenberg is wonderful. Wide
open roads with no litter, no road works and with plenty of laybys with road
and travel information. I have been invited back (can't imagine why :-) )
but SHMBO says it is too boring!

The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

OK, towards Växjö?





..andy

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geoff wrote in message ...



So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?


1) That's the way the world works. Canute knew that.
2) When the energy runs out, the engineers and scientists will be paid to
solve the problem. Whilst existing energy sources are so cheap, there is no
justification for investing capital to solve a problem that is a century or
more away.
3) Greenock will be delightful with another 15 degrees increase in
temperature and Scotland will become the new must visit tourist location to
equal Tuscany!

Regards
Capitol

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"Capitol" wrote in message
...

geoff wrote in message ...



So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?


1) That's the way the world works. Canute knew that.
2) When the energy runs out, the engineers and scientists will be paid to
solve the problem. Whilst existing energy sources are so cheap, there is
no
justification for investing capital to solve a problem that is a century
or
more away.
3) Greenock will be delightful with another 15 degrees increase in
temperature and Scotland will become the new must visit tourist location
to
equal Tuscany!

And all those mosquitoes the place is famed for will be malaria mossies.

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In article , IMM
writes

"Andy Luckman" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
wrote:

I went there and didn't like it.

Apart perhaps from Cuba, there are few places where a daft Trot
would feel at home.

What are you on about?

John, the first part of the treatment is accepting that you have a
problem, obviously you've a little way to go yet.

--
David

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In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

OK, towards Växjö?

Yes! It's a short distance up the road. I remember having difficulty in
asking directions to Skiro as it is pronounced something like Phweerer. :-)

--
AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems
http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:47:28 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

OK, towards Växjö?

Yes! It's a short distance up the road. I remember having difficulty in
asking directions to Skiro as it is pronounced something like Phweerer. :-)

I believe that Swedish is not quite as difficult as English for being
non-phonetic, but is a bit more consistent.

A lot of words beginning with 'sk' or 'sj' are pronounced similarly,
but I understand that the exact sound depends on the following vowel.


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:47:28 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:

The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

OK, towards Växjö?

Yes! It's a short distance up the road. I remember having difficulty in
asking directions to Skiro as it is pronounced something like Phweerer.
:-)

I believe that Swedish is not quite as difficult as English for being
non-phonetic, but is a bit more consistent.

A lot of words beginning with 'sk' or 'sj' are pronounced similarly,
but I understand that the exact sound depends on the following vowel.

Obviously why the language caught. (the word order is the same as English)

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Andy Luckman wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:


Near to Jönköping?

IIRC, the region of lakes and forests.


Some way south. The drive in a hire car from Gothenberg is wonderful. Wide
open roads with no litter, no road works and with plenty of laybys with road
and travel information. I have been invited back (can't imagine why :-) )
but SHMBO says it is too boring!


It is. Sterile and boring. And cold. And usually dull.



The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

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IMM wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:47:28 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote:


In article , Andy Hall
wrote:


The village is Skiro about 30 miles south of Vetlanda.

OK, towards Växjö?

Yes! It's a short distance up the road. I remember having difficulty in
asking directions to Skiro as it is pronounced something like Phweerer.

:-)

I believe that Swedish is not quite as difficult as English for being
non-phonetic, but is a bit more consistent.

A lot of words beginning with 'sk' or 'sj' are pronounced similarly,
but I understand that the exact sound depends on the following vowel.



As in Skool versus school.



Obviously why the language caught. (the word order is the same as English)

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MBQ wrote:


There are ostriches on both sides. Many with their heads in the sand
ignoring the mass of evidence that "global warming" is completely
natural and has little or nothing to do with human activity, if it is
actually happening at all.



Its happening, its unstoppable, its not the end of the world.

Adapt lifestyle.



MBQ

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Neil Jones wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message
...

Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.


Fortunately, science doesn't work on a consensus basis.




You might want to reconsider that statement.

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MBQ wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message news:c5lgbs$6l9 All this crap about global warming

Global warming is an accepted fact by all the world's top scientists.


No, only by the few who have signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which
has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with saving the
Earth. There are plenty of others who disagree (the silent majority as
usual).

Remember its only 30 years since the doomsayers were telling us we
were all going to variously freeze/starve to death/run out of oil 10
years ago. Where are they now? Retired on the fat profits they made
from their books bought by gullible idiots. That didn't work so now
the new generation are telling us we're going to die of overheating.

Take your blinkers off and look at the evidence, e.g. why does the
data from satellites show no appreciable warming? Look at the number
of temperature records tainted by urban heat island effects that show
warming and then look at the number of clean records that show little
or no appreciable warming, or even cooling.

What warming there is, is a natural cycle and has nothing to do with
human activity. We're still recovering from the "little ice age" when
the Thames used to freeze over, to something more akin to the medieval
warm period.


Mmm. Sadly I think you are wrong there.

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geoff wrote:


So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?



Because we can?

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Capitol wrote:

geoff wrote in message ...




So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?



1) That's the way the world works. Canute knew that.
2) When the energy runs out, the engineers and scientists will be paid to
solve the problem. Whilst existing energy sources are so cheap, there is no
justification for investing capital to solve a problem that is a century or
more away.


Not that long I suspect. And scientists are working on it...and
solutions will be available as soon as oil gets more expensive than them.

Nuclear power certainly exists.


3) Greenock will be delightful with another 15 degrees increase in
temperature and Scotland will become the new must visit tourist location to
equal Tuscany!



With malarial mosquitos.


Regards
Capitol

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Neil Jones wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message
...

Global warming is a fact. ALL major scientists and governments have
recognised that man is influencing global warming.


Fortunately, science doesn't work on a consensus basis.




You might want to reconsider that statement.

The consenus was that the sun went round the earth.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:27:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Capitol wrote:


3) Greenock will be delightful with another 15 degrees increase in
temperature and Scotland will become the new must visit tourist location to
equal Tuscany!



With malarial mosquitos.


Anopheles Blairii


..andy

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geoff wrote in message ...
In message , MBQ
writes
"IMM" wrote in message news:c5lgbs$6l9 All
this crap about global warming


Answer provided by a friend in the business ...

" Global warming is an accepted fact by all the world's top
scientists.

No, only by the few who have signed up to the Kyoto protocol, which
has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with saving the
Earth. There are plenty of others who disagree (the silent majority as
usual).

Politicians (on behalf of their countries) signed up to the Kyoto
Protocol; it's impossible for scientists to do so. So the first few
words are garbage - not a good start!

OK I didn't mean literally sign on the dotted line.

I myself (as a scientist working in the climate area) disagreed with the
Kyoto Protocol from a number of perspectives - including the fact that
it didn't go nearly far enough and wasn't particularly fair to poorer
nations. But to suggest that a majority of scientists disagree with
global warming theories, and are simply keeping schtumm to hide their
numbers (ooh crafty) is highly disingenuous and requires a modicum of
evidence.

I didn't suggest any reasons for them keeping quiet. One possibility
is the number of cases where global warming deniers have been subject
to personal attacks on their character and integrity rather than any
attempt at reasoned debate.

Remember its only 30 years since the doomsayers were telling us we
were all going to variously freeze/starve to death/run out of oil 10
years ago. Where are they now? Retired on the fat profits they made
from their books bought by gullible idiots. That didn't work so now
the new generation are telling us we're going to die of overheating.

Who's saying that? It's an absolute fact that we're warming up but IF
you're going to die of it, (and unless you're very very young I'd expect
old age or accident to take you instead), it'll be from either global
unrest (displaced peoples, etc) or disease (eg, Britain is now
borderline-capable of supporting malarial mosquitos).

As indeed it was capable in the past. The country is now a vastly
different place with most wetlands (prime mossie habitat) having being
drained. That's another scare I'm personally not worried about.

Heat island effects have been known about for decades and sophisticated
techniques are used to compensate for them. Rural records do show a
significant rise so I've no idea what's being alluded to by 'clean

Please define significant. The data I tend to believe shows that
temperatures in the 20th century are nothing special.

records'. I'd also note that marine records also show a significant
temperature rise - what's that due to, then? Atlantis?

Incidentally there are plenty of errors in satellite records - changing
orbits, gradual descent towards the troposhpere, etc - which also have
to be corrected. Or are those corrections right and the heat island
ones wrong? g

The problem is that their are a number of different ways of correcting
and none of them agree.

What warming there is, is a natural cycle and has nothing to do with
human activity. We're still recovering from the "little ice age" when
the Thames used to freeze over, to something more akin to the medieval
warm period. "

ROFL. Nobody on this planet can state with certainty that it is a
natural cycle unless they know what the natural cycle is. That's why
people like me are working to get an idea of what the temperatures were
like in the past - hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of years

So, do you disagree with the existence of the specific warm and cold
periods I cited?


HOWEVER I'm not generally inclined to get into these debates as, for
me, they kinda miss the point.

To illustrate my position, I'll pretend to agree with matey here, and
we'll say that Global Warming's a theory with a lot of uncertainty

It sure is! One great big uncertainty is whether or not it is caused
by human activity.

attached to it. Hell, let's say instead of the Global Warming theory we
just have a big board with '?' on it.

So, that's cleared the air. Now, remind me why exactly it's a good idea
to burn up a non-renewable energy source as fast as we can, whilst
encouraging the rest of the world to develop and do the same, and with
no serious plans and infrastructure in place to cope when it runs out?

I never said it was. I'm all in favour of conservation of resources,
but lets do it for sound reasons. Conservation is of itself a good
enough reason - save some for future generations. Reduction of
pollution is another. What I object to is the alarmist nonsense being
peddled by some (I'm not saying you're one of them) in the "Global
warming" camp.

MBQ

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wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

"Andy Luckman" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
wrote:

I went there and didn't like it.

Apart perhaps from Cuba, there are few places where a daft Trot
would feel at home.

What are you on about?

John, the first part of the treatment is accepting that you have a
problem, obviously you've a little way to go yet.

Bertie, are they nice to you at the clinic?