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A Decent Screw!
Does anyone know where I can buy some traditional #12 x 2.1/2" zinc-plated
steel c/sunk woodscrews? Everyone (and I do mean everyone) seems to only stock these fancy hardened, twin-threaded, gold-plated, reduced shank, pozi-headed, etc. screws that may be just wonderful for screwing into wood, but are (IMHO) quite inadequate when used with plastic wallplugs. They simply don't give the firm, reliable grip of the traditional woodscrew and seem rather prone to ripping the centre out of the wallplug. I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. Brass and stainless steel c/sunk woodscrews still come in the traditional design, but brass would be too likely to shear off and I can't source any #12 x 2.1/2" in stainless steel. I only need 20 of them! Thanks -- Mike -Please remove 'safetycatch' from e-mail address before firing off your reply- |
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"mlv" writes: I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. If you're anywhere near Fleet, Hampshire, then Bakers in the main shopping road (Fleet Road) is one of the few left. Just don't come on a Wednesday afternoon (and I'm not joking;-) -- Andrew Gabriel |
mlv wrote:
Does anyone know where I can buy some traditional #12 x 2.1/2" zinc-plated steel c/sunk woodscrews? Everyone (and I do mean everyone) seems to only stock these fancy hardened, twin-threaded, gold-plated, reduced shank, pozi-headed, etc. screws that may be just wonderful for screwing into wood, but are (IMHO) quite inadequate when used with plastic wallplugs. They simply don't give the firm, reliable grip of the traditional woodscrew and seem rather prone to ripping the centre out of the wallplug. I've got hundreds of ScrewFix Goldscrews and Turbogold screws (both of the type you seem to dislike) in plastic plugs all around my house and my experience is that they seem to stay in better than old fashioned tapered screws. I find that I tend to use slightly smaller drills than recommended for the plugs and slightly smaller plugs than most other people seem to use. I now use far more yellow plugs than red and rarely use the bigger ones at all. I drill 4.5mm holes for yellow plugs, sometimes you can get away with 4mm, it depends on the type of wall you're drilling into. The plugs should be easy to just tap into the hole. I then use 3.5mm or 4mm screws in the yellow plugs and, as I said, have had no problems at all with their security. I really can't imagine what I'd want to fix with big plastic plugs. Even one of those monitor shelves on a flexible arm is only fixed with red plugs and 5mm screws and seems perfectly sound even with a heavyish monitor on it. -- Chris Green |
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mlv wrote: Everyone (and I do mean everyone) seems to only stock these fancy hardened, twin-threaded, gold-plated, reduced shank, pozi-headed, etc. screws that may be just wonderful for screwing into wood, but are (IMHO) quite inadequate when used with plastic wallplugs. They simply don't give the firm, reliable grip of the traditional woodscrew and seem rather prone to ripping the centre out of the wallplug. Then you're using the wrong wall plugs, or wrong sized drill. -- *There are two sides to every divorce: Yours and **** head's* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Even one of those monitor shelves on a flexible arm is only fixed with
red plugs and 5mm screws and seems perfectly sound even with a heavyish monitor on it. I use 5mm or 6mm screws into brown plugs myself, drilled with a 6.5mm SDS bit. The yellow plugs scare me for anothing bigger than holding up a paper calendar. If I'm doing anything heavy, like kitchen cupboards, then I go for the full rawlbolt. Why do you go for the smaller rawlplugs? It's not like screws or plugs are expensive. Christian. |
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Andy Hall writes: On 3 Nov 2004 10:50:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , "mlv" writes: I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. If you're anywhere near Fleet, Hampshire, then Bakers in the main shopping road (Fleet Road) is one of the few left. Just don't come on a Wednesday afternoon (and I'm not joking;-) Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. They do add up the cost of the items using paper and pencil though -- I can't recall there being a till in the shop, or at least if there is, it isn't used for adding up the totals. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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mlv wrote: I find that I tend to use slightly smaller drills than recommended for the plugs and slightly smaller plugs than most other people seem to use. I now use far more yellow plugs than red and rarely use the bigger ones at all. I drill 4.5mm holes for yellow plugs, sometimes you can get away with 4mm, it depends on the type of wall you're drilling into. The plugs should be easy to just tap into the hole. I then use 3.5mm or 4mm screws in the yellow plugs and, as I said, have had no problems at all with their security. I really can't imagine what I'd want to fix with big plastic plugs. I'm guessing you live in a modern house with solid brickwork and maybe sand-cement render on the internal walls?! I hardly ever use yellow plugs, simply because they aren't deep enough to get through the half-inch layer of powdery plaster which was applied about a century ago, and wouldn't take any sort of weight whatsoever. David |
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Andy Hall writes: Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. The V&A had a moch-up of a shop some years back, probably based on 1920's, with a working one of these. Pull a cord, and the cannister was pinged across the ceiling on a cable. As a kid, I recall a number of the stores in Reading using vacuum tubes with cylindrical canisters, which took your money to the cashier, and returned the change. Modern versions of these are still used in supermarkets and the like for carrying excess cash back from the tills, but not for individual customer transactions. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Dave Plowman wrote:
Then you're using the wrong wall plugs, or wrong sized drill. I'm mounting some (very) heavy duty TV wall brackets. The screws and plugs came with the brackets, as did the drilling/fixing instructions. The wallplugs were those awful flimsy grey things, mostly hollow and with little sticky-out prongs. Internal walls are breeze (clinker) block with cement render. My initial instinct (which I should have followed) was to bin the grey wallplugs and use the superior brown Unifix plugs. However, I decided to use the supplied plugs and screws. The holes were drilled exactly as instructed and the screws where tightened........... well that's the problem, they never actually achieved tight. Certainly, if I had drilled a hole smaller than was specified and hammered the plugs home, then the screws would have gripped better. Much better however, would be to use a system I know works well: Unifix plastic wallplugs and traditional woodscrews. -- Mike -Please remove 'safetycatch' from e-mail address before firing off your reply- |
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| Andrew Gabriel wrote: | Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling | with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? | No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling | for one of those to work. | I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe | shops had them. I can remember the shoe shop used when I was little having a cuckoo-clock, which fascinated me greatly and meant that shoe-buying trips had to be synchronised to the hour :-) | They do add up the cost of the items | using paper and pencil though -- I can't recall there being a | till in the shop, or at least if there is, it isn't used for | adding up the totals. They'll have problems recruiting staff under 40 with that skill. I expect they have to convert to decimal every time they find a really old box of something in t'back still priced at £4 19s 6d. (Paying cash sir? We'll drop the odd farthing then.) Owain |
I'm mounting some (very) heavy duty TV wall brackets. The screws and
plugs came with the brackets, as did the drilling/fixing instructions. I don't think I have ever used screws and plugs that came with something. They are almost by definition, utterly unusable. Much better however, would be to use a system I know works well: Unifix plastic wallplugs and traditional woodscrews. Indeed, but you can use moderns screws, too. The failure in the supplied parts was because they were bought by the manufacturer for 0.0000000001p and they got what they paid for. Christian. |
I remember those wire things when I was young and think I saw one at the
Welsh Folk Museum, St Fagans, near Cardiff. It's a fabulous day out for old fogies and their grandchildren. The Museum of Welsh Life is located 4 miles west of Cardiff City Centre, just off the A4232. Signposted from junction 33 of the M4 motorway, with direct access from the A4232. Although there is plenty to see indoors it would be better to save it for next year. Admission: Free! Have a look at the museum's website on: http://www.nmgw.ac.uk/mwl/ "Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , Andy Hall writes: Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. The V&A had a moch-up of a shop some years back, probably based on 1920's, with a working one of these. Pull a cord, and the cannister was pinged across the ceiling on a cable. As a kid, I recall a number of the stores in Reading using vacuum tubes with cylindrical canisters, which took your money to the cashier, and returned the change. Modern versions of these are still used in supermarkets and the like for carrying excess cash back from the tills, but not for individual customer transactions. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Christian McArdle wrote:
Even one of those monitor shelves on a flexible arm is only fixed with red plugs and 5mm screws and seems perfectly sound even with a heavyish monitor on it. I use 5mm or 6mm screws into brown plugs myself, drilled with a 6.5mm SDS bit. The yellow plugs scare me for anothing bigger than holding up a paper calendar. If I'm doing anything heavy, like kitchen cupboards, then I go for the full rawlbolt. Why do you go for the smaller rawlplugs? It's not like screws or plugs are expensive. Because almost everything I fix uses 3.5 or 4mm screws and these hold best in 4mm plugs in my experience. You can hang a heck of a lot of weight on just a single 4mm screw. A quick calculation suggests that a 4mm screw's tensile breaking strain will be almost a ton (probably more than a ton if it's stronger than mild steel), so the screw isn't going to break with any remotely normal load on it. I find that yellow plugs with 4mm screws are just about immovable. -- Chris Green |
Lobster wrote:
I then use 3.5mm or 4mm screws in the yellow plugs and, as I said, have had no problems at all with their security. I really can't imagine what I'd want to fix with big plastic plugs. I'm guessing you live in a modern house with solid brickwork and maybe sand-cement render on the internal walls?! I hardly ever use yellow plugs, simply because they aren't deep enough to get through the half-inch layer of powdery plaster which was applied about a century ago, and wouldn't take any sort of weight whatsoever. Well push them further in then! There's no requirement that the plug has to be flush with the surface. Or you can put two plugs in if using really long screws. My 'standard' screw tends to to a 4 x 40mm, that's pretty similar to an 8 x 1.5" but a bit longer. If there's half an inch of plaster then a yellow plug will nestle neatly down below the plaster. As it happens my house was built in the 1920s. -- Chris Green |
mlv wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote: Then you're using the wrong wall plugs, or wrong sized drill. I'm mounting some (very) heavy duty TV wall brackets. The screws and plugs came with the brackets, as did the drilling/fixing instructions. I nearly always don't use the supplied screws and plugs. They are often rather poor quality and too short. The wallplugs were those awful flimsy grey things, mostly hollow and with little sticky-out prongs. Internal walls are breeze (clinker) block with cement render. Ah, breeze block can be difficult. I'd just go for extra long 5mm screws for this sort of weight on it. Much better however, would be to use a system I know works well: Unifix plastic wallplugs and traditional woodscrews. I guess that's where we both are, we're familiar with a particular pairing of wallplug and screw that works well. It makes sense to stay using that and not to use plugs supplied simply because one will be better at working with the familiar ones. I have a big 'trade case' of TurbGold screws so I always have the 'right' screw for virtually any application. It cost £50 or so but I've never regretted buying it, it saves so much time finding screws for this job and that job over the years. I'm replacing ones that I run out of with stainless steel ones now. -- Chris Green |
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am says... On 3 Nov 2004 11:28:46 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes: On 3 Nov 2004 10:50:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , "mlv" writes: I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. If you're anywhere near Fleet, Hampshire, then Bakers in the main shopping road (Fleet Road) is one of the few left. Just don't come on a Wednesday afternoon (and I'm not joking;-) Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. snip ............and a machime to x-ray your feet -- Paul Mc Cann |
"Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message .. . In article , am says... On 3 Nov 2004 11:28:46 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes: On 3 Nov 2004 10:50:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , "mlv" writes: I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. If you're anywhere near Fleet, Hampshire, then Bakers in the main shopping road (Fleet Road) is one of the few left. Just don't come on a Wednesday afternoon (and I'm not joking;-) Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. snip ...........and a machime to x-ray your feet Never heard of that. Was that back in the days when radiation was good for you? Bob |
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , Andy Hall writes: Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. The V&A had a moch-up of a shop some years back, probably based on 1920's, with a working one of these. Pull a cord, and the cannister was pinged across the ceiling on a cable. As a kid, I recall a number of the stores in Reading using vacuum tubes with cylindrical canisters, which took your money to the cashier, and returned the change. Modern versions of these are still used in supermarkets and the like for carrying excess cash back from the tills, but not for individual customer transactions. At Hitchins department store in Leeds more than fifty years ago I was fascinated by these. They worked on a suction/vacuum principle. Haven't seen them since :-( Mary -- Andrew Gabriel |
"John Flax" wrote in message ... I remember those wire things when I was young and think I saw one at the Welsh Folk Museum, St Fagans, near Cardiff. It's a fabulous day out for old fogies and their grandchildren. The Museum of Welsh Life is located 4 miles west of Cardiff City Centre, just off the A4232. Signposted from junction 33 of the M4 motorway, with direct access from the A4232. Although there is plenty to see indoors it would be better to save it for next year. Admission: Free! It wasn't free when I went! Worth seeing but you need more than one day to do it justice. Like the Museum of Ulster Life (I think it's called). Mary Have a look at the museum's website on: http://www.nmgw.ac.uk/mwl/ |
"Bob Smith (UK)" bob@nospamplease wrote in message ... "Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message .. . In article , am says... On 3 Nov 2004 11:28:46 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , Andy Hall writes: On 3 Nov 2004 10:50:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , "mlv" writes: I've tried all the obvious suppliers without success and I guess I now need to find an old-fashioned hardware shop that still closes on a Wednesday afternoon. If you're anywhere near Fleet, Hampshire, then Bakers in the main shopping road (Fleet Road) is one of the few left. Just don't come on a Wednesday afternoon (and I'm not joking;-) Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling for one of those to work. I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe shops had them. snip ...........and a machime to x-ray your feet Never heard of that. Was that back in the days when radiation was good for you? No, they still had them in the 60s. I had my feet measured on one. I have very broad feet. My feet didn't fit on the screen. Is anyone listening to the Woman's Hour serial this week? It's scary ... Mary Bob |
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bob@nospamplease wrote: "Paul Mc Cann" wrote in message ...........and a machime to x-ray your feet Never heard of that. Was that back in the days when radiation was good for you? Oh yes. They were called a Pedoscope and it was part of the ritual in any Clark's approved supplier of kid's shoes. First the assistant measured the feet with a gauge (as today), then try the shoes on, and finally stand under pedoscope to see the feet in a fluorescent screen. This is roughly what they looked like, although the picture is an American model http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/s...fluor/shoe.htm The ones that I can remember were a tall box with an aperture like the one in the picture but with slots on the sides and top and system of mirrors so that the kid could see in the top or front, assistant one side and mum or dad on the other. One reason that they disappeared is that you could also see if a shoe had been badly made and several nails were missing or knocked in at odd angles. I reckon that they had disappeared by the early sixties. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Andy Hall wrote:
They were called a Pedoscope and it was part of the ritual in any Clark's approved supplier of kid's shoes. [ ... ] I reckon that they had disappeared by the early sixties. Still in use Ooop Noorth (Wilmslow) in the later sixties - had my feet done more than once with this brilliant (?) invention when a nipper, can't have been earlier than 1967... Stefek |
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:00:02 +0000, Stefek Zaba
wrote: Andy Hall wrote: They were called a Pedoscope and it was part of the ritual in any Clark's approved supplier of kid's shoes. [ ... ] I reckon that they had disappeared by the early sixties. Still in use Ooop Noorth (Wilmslow) in the later sixties - had my feet done more than once with this brilliant (?) invention when a nipper, can't have been earlier than 1967... Stefek Yebbut it's not really Ooop Noorth in the real sense is it? Wilmslow is to Manchester as Solihull is to Birmingham - a sort of island of the sophisticated south - kind of. As somebody once said to me regarding things from the region - they're made in Bolton, sold in Manchester and bragged about in Wilmslow. :-) (Said he, fed up because the Times has turned exclusively tabloid this week - don't know what the world's coming to. I was going to say that they'll have tits on page 3 next, but with some of the articles about our illustrious politicians, I think they already have...... ). -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:00:02 +0000, Stefek Zaba wrote: Andy Hall wrote: They were called a Pedoscope and it was part of the ritual in any Clark's approved supplier of kid's shoes. [ ... ] I reckon that they had disappeared by the early sixties. Still in use Ooop Noorth (Wilmslow) in the later sixties - had my feet done more than once with this brilliant (?) invention when a nipper, can't have been earlier than 1967... Stefek Yebbut it's not really Ooop Noorth in the real sense is it? Wilmslow is to Manchester as Solihull is to Birmingham - a sort of island of the sophisticated south - kind of. It's north of the M25 which is what seems to matter these days. It mattered even more in the 60s. (Said he, fed up because the Times has turned exclusively tabloid this week - don't know what the world's coming to. I was going to say that they'll have tits on page 3 next, but with some of the articles about our illustrious politicians, I think they already have...... ). That's an insult to tits. I gave up reading newspapers years ago. Mary Leeds |
"Stefek Zaba" wrote in message ... Andy Hall wrote: They were called a Pedoscope and it was part of the ritual in any Clark's approved supplier of kid's shoes. [ ... ] I reckon that they had disappeared by the early sixties. Still in use Ooop Noorth (Wilmslow) in the later sixties - had my feet done more than once with this brilliant (?) invention when a nipper, can't have been earlier than 1967... Stefek You can see one in the film " million dollar brain" with Michael Caine Steve |
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writes "Andy Hall" wrote | Andrew Gabriel wrote: | Do they have one of those systems with wires across the ceiling | with little pots carrying the money to the cashier? | No -- there's too much merchandise hanging from the ceiling | for one of those to work. | I haven't seen one for years. When I was a kid, all the shoe | shops had them. I can remember the shoe shop used when I was little having a cuckoo-clock, which fascinated me greatly and meant that shoe-buying trips had to be synchronised to the hour :-) | They do add up the cost of the items | using paper and pencil though -- I can't recall there being a | till in the shop, or at least if there is, it isn't used for | adding up the totals. They'll have problems recruiting staff under 40 with that skill. I expect they have to convert to decimal every time they find a really old box of something in t'back still priced at £4 19s 6d. (Paying cash sir? We'll drop the odd farthing then.) I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too .... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles -- geoff |
raden wrote:
I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Thanks - for nothing :-) |
In message , Stefek Zaba
writes raden wrote: I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Thanks - for nothing :-) DIB DIB DIB -- geoff |
"raden" wrote
| I can remember the shoe shop used when I was little having a | cuckoo-clock, which fascinated me greatly and meant that | shoe-buying trips had to be synchronised to the hour :-) | I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too | ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles Yeah right, black Clarks shoes for winter and brown Clarks sandals for summer. Owain |
"Stefek Zaba" wrote in message
... raden wrote: I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Oh, I'd have killed for a pair of those but I had a deprived childhood (in that my mum point-blank refused to buy them, on principle). David |
"Andy Hall" wrote
| (Said he, fed up because the Times has turned exclusively tabloid | this week - don't know what the world's coming to. I wonder if they'll have a special Reader Offer for tabloid-sized budgerigar cages and cat litter trays, as the new paper will not fit readers' existing receptacles without Sellotaping sections together. Owain |
In message , Lobster
writes "Stefek Zaba" wrote in message ... raden wrote: I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Oh, I'd have killed for a pair of those but I had a deprived childhood (in that my mum point-blank refused to buy them, on principle). Yup, I had to fight and throw a tantrum to get mine IIRC -- geoff |
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:43:21 -0000, "Owain"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote | (Said he, fed up because the Times has turned exclusively tabloid | this week - don't know what the world's coming to. I wonder if they'll have a special Reader Offer for tabloid-sized budgerigar cages and cat litter trays, as the new paper will not fit readers' existing receptacles without Sellotaping sections together. Owain What's the format of the Scotsman these days? I can claim Scots descent at least, although perhaps this paper isn't entirely suitable for sassenachs (or saesneg if you prefer ) -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Stefek Zaba writes raden wrote: I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Thanks - for nothing :-) DIB DIB DIB _Very hazy memories_ came as rusted synapses fired ... but;- Isn't it DYB DYB DYB? (Do Your Best!) ! with the responding howl .. We'll DOB DOB DOB ? (Do Our Best) ! -- Brian ( never got beyond Seconder) |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Stefek Zaba writes raden wrote: I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles *******! ;-) Dunno if he did, but I certainly did. There was me thinking my brain had *useful* memories, and instead your throwaway remark brought back vivid memories of digging that damn compass out of the heel! Thanks - for nothing :-) DIB DIB DIB DOB DOB DOB -- geoff |
"Owain" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote | I can remember the shoe shop used when I was little having a | cuckoo-clock, which fascinated me greatly and meant that | shoe-buying trips had to be synchronised to the hour :-) | I bet you had some Wayfarers (?) too | ... with the compass in the heel and animal tracks on the soles Yeah right, black Clarks shoes for winter and brown Clarks sandals for summer. I'm not sure they were around when I were a little lass but they wouldn't have been affordable anyway. I can't remember if shoes were rationed but we did only have, at most, two pairs a year. Sandals had the toes cut out to allow for growth. I remember my mother saying that some shoes had cardboard soles. Ee, the good old days! Mary Owain |
"Owain" wrote in message ... "Andy Hall" wrote | (Said he, fed up because the Times has turned exclusively tabloid | this week - don't know what the world's coming to. I wonder if they'll have a special Reader Offer for tabloid-sized budgerigar cages and cat litter trays, as the new paper will not fit readers' existing receptacles without Sellotaping sections together. To say nothing of uniting bees ... Mary Owain |
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