www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was £59.99, now £6!

sPoNiX

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

On 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

sPoNiX

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 +0000, Ian Stirling wrote:

710/6811

Have you tried reserving one in store via the web site ?

In message , sPoNiX
writes
On 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

sPoNiX



Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a use
for it.....

--
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2
http://www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk
BONY#38

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

Done!

They have none in Bromley, Kent now!

Sparks..

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:10:31 +0100, "mike. buckley"
wrote:

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a use
for it.....

Pick up a Hammer drill while you are there (With free dustbuster):

http://tinyurl.com/5snfl

In message , sPoNiX
writes
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:10:31 +0100, "mike. buckley"
wrote:

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a use
for it.....

Pick up a Hammer drill while you are there (With free dustbuster):

http://tinyurl.com/5snfl



Ah, but I've just spent 90 quid on a Bosch SDS and got a free electric
screwdriver with it as well. Very happy with the SDS - first one I've
ever used, but it's making flush fitting electric sockets into a brick
wall very easy indeed.

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...reId=10001&cat
alogId=2501&langId=-1&searchTerms=SDS

--
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2
http://www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk
BONY#38

Jason Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 +0000, Ian Stirling wrote:

710/6811

Have you tried reserving one in store via the web site ?

I have now.
(not the jigsaw, the 18V cordless hammer/drill)

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the store
on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

"mike. buckley" wrote in message
k...
In message , sPoNiX
writes
On 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

sPoNiX

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a use
for it.....

I have just bought two. £59? It does not appear a £59 machine as Argos are
selling 700w jig saws for around £40. It is not their own Challenge range,
but Direct Power. It is reasonably well made by the feel and for £6 an
absolute bargain. It is far better than the B&D crap I currently have that
cost a far, far more than £6. Comes complete with case and saws. Buy a few
and keep them for Xmas presents.

sPoNiX wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:10:31 +0100, "mike. buckley"
wrote:

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a
use for it.....

Pick up a Hammer drill while you are there (With free dustbuster):

http://tinyurl.com/5snfl

what is the catalogue number for this as your link doesn't go to the drill.

Cheers

John

John wrote:
sPoNiX wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:10:31 +0100, "mike. buckley"
wrote:

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a
use for it.....

Pick up a Hammer drill while you are there (With free dustbuster):

http://tinyurl.com/5snfl

what is the catalogue number for this as your link doesn't go to the drill.


diy-power-tools-specail offers.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"mike. buckley" wrote in message
k...
In message , sPoNiX
writes
On 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

sPoNiX

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a use
for it.....

I have just bought two. £59? It does not appear a £59 machine as Argos
are
selling 700w jig saws for around £40. It is not their own Challenge
range,
but Direct Power. It is reasonably well made by the feel and for £6 an
absolute bargain. It is far better than the B&D crap I currently have
that
cost a far, far more than £6. Comes complete with case and saws. Buy a
few
and keep them for Xmas presents.

I had a little go of it and it goes fine. Vibrates a little, not too much,
on the fastest speed, drop the speed a little and smooth enough. Nice
speed control. Cushioned handle.

What the web site never said:
4 position pendulum positions.
Vacumm cleaner adaptor to extract dust (very handy),
No tool quick change blade mechanism works well, and very handy too
6 blades

Oh and a 3 year warranty.

For £6 I'm glad I bought 2.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"mike. buckley" wrote in message
k...
In message , sPoNiX
writes
On 08 Oct 2004 13:17:42 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

sPoNiX wrote:
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was ?59.99, now ?6!

Out of stock.
Annoyingly it seemed to take the order, but screwed up on a cookie
error before the end.
When I restarted, it was out of stock.

I managed to reserve one online for collection at my local store.

Try the "Click and Collect" option on the left hand side of the
screen.

sPoNiX

Yup - I pick mine up tomorrow. Brilliant. Now I just have to find a
use
for it.....

I have just bought two. £59? It does not appear a £59 machine as Argos
are
selling 700w jig saws for around £40. It is not their own Challenge
range,
but Direct Power. It is reasonably well made by the feel and for £6 an
absolute bargain. It is far better than the B&D crap I currently have
that
cost a far, far more than £6. Comes complete with case and saws. Buy a
few
and keep them for Xmas presents.

I had a little go of it and it goes fine. Vibrates a little, not too
much,
on the fastest speed, drop the speed a little and smooth enough. Nice
speed control. Cushioned handle.

What the web site never said:
4 position pendulum positions.
Vacumm cleaner adaptor to extract dust (very handy),
No tool quick change blade mechanism works well, and very handy too
6 blades

Oh and a 3 year warranty.

For £6 I'm glad I bought 2.

I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay £12 for
two.

IMM wrote:
snip
What the web site never said:
4 position pendulum positions.
Vacumm cleaner adaptor to extract dust (very handy),
No tool quick change blade mechanism works well, and very handy too
6 blades

Oh and a 3 year warranty.

For ?6 I'm glad I bought 2.

I distinctly remember it listing the cleaner adaptor and no tool change
mechanism being mentioned, and the 6 blades.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:38:22 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay £12 for
two.


Actually no.

I paid just over £100 for a very good Bosch one.

If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

At one stage I had one of the B&D ones and had assumed that all
jigsaws had wandering blades, high vibration and generally poor
handling.

I had the opportunity to try out one of the Bosch ones and it's like
chalk and cheese. I do quite a lot of work with it.

If you're going to buy a £30 jigsaw and you're only going to do
occasional and rough work with it, then I agree, go and buy the £6
one. You wouldn't even bother to return it to the store when it
breaks.

I assume they come with a motor? ;-)


..andy

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In message , Ian
Stirling writes

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the store
on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

Seem to be IME, I think it's too cover themselves in the situation where
you reserve it one day and the prices change the next
--
Chris French, Leeds

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:38:22 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay £12
for
two.

Actually no.

I paid just over £100 for a very good Bosch one.

The one I just bought was going for £60, so that makes it the equiv of the
Bosch as they overcharge.

If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

At one stage I had one of the B&D ones
and had assumed that all jigsaws had
wandering blades, high vibration and generally poor
handling.

My new £6 one is spot on.

I had the opportunity to try out one of the Bosch ones and it's like
chalk and cheese. I do quite a lot of work with it.

If you're going to buy a £30 jigsaw and you're only going to do
occasional and rough work with it, then I agree, go and buy the £6
one. You wouldn't even bother to return it to the store when it
breaks.

I assume they come with a motor? ;-)

And a 3 year guarantee, which the Bosch does not have.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:38:00 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


The one I just bought was going for £60, so that makes it the equiv of the
Bosch as they overcharge.

If you want to believe that, it's up to you.



If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.


At one stage I had one of the B&D ones
and had assumed that all jigsaws had
wandering blades, high vibration and generally poor
handling.

My new £6 one is spot on.

I'm pleased to hear that.


I had the opportunity to try out one of the Bosch ones and it's like
chalk and cheese. I do quite a lot of work with it.

If you're going to buy a £30 jigsaw and you're only going to do
occasional and rough work with it, then I agree, go and buy the £6
one. You wouldn't even bother to return it to the store when it
breaks.

I assume they come with a motor? ;-)

And a 3 year guarantee, which the Bosch does not have.

Completely irrelevant. When it breaks, are you really going to take
the trouble to take it back to Argos?

Do you imagine that they will have stock to replace it? The maximum
that you will get is a £6 voucher which won't even cover your bus
fare, let alone the time involved.

Why do you imagine that the price is £6? Either the product is a
total dud and didn't sell, or it's an end of line, or both.


..andy

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"chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , Ian
Stirling writes

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the store
on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

So far.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:38:00 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


The one I just bought was going for £60, so that makes it the equiv of
the
Bosch as they overcharge.

If you want to believe that, it's up to you.

If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

I would go there first.

At one stage I had one of the B&D ones
and had assumed that all jigsaws had
wandering blades, high vibration and generally poor
handling.

My new £6 one is spot on.

I'm pleased to hear that.

...and I'm sure the second one is too.

I had the opportunity to try out one
of the Bosch ones and it's like
chalk and cheese. I do quite a lot of work with it.

If you're going to buy a £30 jigsaw and you're only going to do
occasional and rough work with it, then I agree, go and buy the £6
one. You wouldn't even bother to return it to the store when it
breaks.

I assume they come with a motor? ;-)

And a 3 year guarantee, which the Bosch does not have.

Completely irrelevant. When it breaks, are you really going to take
the trouble to take it back to Argos?

Yes. They replace with the erqivallent. ThenI would pick up the second
jigsaw and keep working.

Do you imagine that they will have stock to replace it? The maximum
that you will get is a £6 voucher which won't even cover your bus
fare, let alone the time involved.

Why do you imagine that the price is £6? Either the product is a
total dud and didn't sell, or it's an end of line, or both.

....I can't speak for Argos buying and selling policy, but it was going for
£60. Fabulous deal and very well made.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:05:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

I would go there first.

Figures.



Completely irrelevant. When it breaks, are you really going to take
the trouble to take it back to Argos?

Yes. They replace with the erqivallent.

So you think that they would replace a £6 unit with a £60 one?
Dream on....


Do you imagine that they will have stock to replace it? The maximum
that you will get is a £6 voucher which won't even cover your bus
fare, let alone the time involved.

Why do you imagine that the price is £6? Either the product is a
total dud and didn't sell, or it's an end of line, or both.

...I can't speak for Argos buying and selling policy, but it was going for
£60. Fabulous deal and very well made.

Well, as long as you are happy with it, then that's all that matters.


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:05:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

I would go there first.

Figures.



Completely irrelevant. When it breaks, are you really going to take
the trouble to take it back to Argos?

Yes. They replace with the erqivallent.

So you think that they would replace a £6 unit with a £60 one?
Dream on....

Similar spec.

Do you imagine that they will have stock to replace it? The maximum
that you will get is a £6 voucher which won't even cover your bus
fare, let alone the time involved.

Why do you imagine that the price is £6? Either the product is a
total dud and didn't sell, or it's an end of line, or both.

...I can't speak for Argos buying and selling policy, but it was going
for
£60. Fabulous deal and very well made.

Well, as long as you are happy with it, then that's all that matters.

I am happy with both of them.

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:50:47 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was £59.99, now £6!

You're right - cheap !

That's a fifteen quid jigsaw for a mere £6

Think I'll stick with £120 for the Bosch. I can't afford something
this cheap - it would cost me a fortune in smoothing poor edges,
wasting time with bigger cut allowances, melting plastics onto the
teeth and generally being rubbish.

Hopefully they'll break quickly, so people won't have to suffer by
using them for long.


--
Smert' spamionam

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:05:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

I would go there first.

Yes, but that's because you're an idiot.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:05:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

I would go there first.

Yes, but that's because you're an idiot.

Oh another mentalist.

In article ,
IMM wrote:
I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay £12
for two.

Be interesting to know how you managed all this time without a jigsaw -
being so experienced at all things DIY - or just which model you're
replacing with them?

I'm a great believer in having more than one of a power tool to avoid
changing blades, etc - this certainly applies to drills when screwing down
floorboards, and angle grinders when doing welding work.

But I've not ever wished for two jigsaws...

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

chris French wrote:
In message , Ian
Stirling writes

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the store
on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

Seem to be IME, I think it's too cover themselves in the situation where
you reserve it one day and the prices change the next

And, indeed, they diddn't honor it when I went in.

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:30:26 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
IMM wrote:
I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay £12
for two.

Be interesting to know how you managed all this time without a jigsaw -
being so experienced at all things DIY - or just which model you're
replacing with them?

I'm a great believer in having more than one of a power tool to avoid
changing blades, etc - this certainly applies to drills when screwing down
floorboards, and angle grinders when doing welding work.

But I've not ever wished for two jigsaws...

Maybe if there was a lot of Speedfit pipe to cut?




..andy

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Ian Stirling wrote:
chris French wrote:
In message ,
Ian Stirling writes

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the
store on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

Seem to be IME, I think it's too cover themselves in the situation
where you reserve it one day and the prices change the next

And, indeed, they diddn't honor it when I went in.

I bought a jigsaw and a power drill today after reserving them last night.
The web prices were honoured, £6.00 and £7.12 respectively. (Wakefield,
West Yorks)

Cheers

John

John wrote:
Ian Stirling wrote:
chris French wrote:
In message ,
Ian Stirling writes

I note that it says "the price you pay will be the price in the
store on the day."
Are all the prices in all stores and the websites identical?

Seem to be IME, I think it's too cover themselves in the situation
where you reserve it one day and the prices change the next

And, indeed, they diddn't honor it when I went in.

I bought a jigsaw and a power drill today after reserving them last night.
The web prices were honoured, ?6.00 and ?7.12 respectively. (Wakefield,
West Yorks)
I was after a couple of the B&D 18V hammer drill for 27 quid, as the few
completed examples I saw on ebay went for around 70.

"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was £59.99, now £6!

sPoNiX

for occasional use on thin materials, that;s a bargain.

wouldn't trust it for any kind of accurate use though.


--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:30:26 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
IMM wrote:
I'm sure Andy would think I should have paid £150 for one Makita.
Mmmmm...I prefer to pay £6, ..............or to hell with it and pay
£12
for two.

Be interesting to know how you managed all this time without a jigsaw -
being so experienced at all things DIY - or just which model you're
replacing with them?

I'm a great believer in having more than one of a power tool to avoid
changing blades, etc - this certainly applies to drills when screwing
down
floorboards, and angle grinders when doing welding work.

But I've not ever wished for two jigsaws...

Maybe if there was a lot of Speedfit pipe to cut?

A jigsaw with the right blade would do well.

"RichardS" noone@invalid wrote in message
. ..
"sPoNiX" wrote in message
...
www.argos.co.uk, product code 710/6811, was £59.99, now £6!

sPoNiX

for occasional use on thin materials, that;s a bargain.

wouldn't trust it for any kind of accurate use though.

I used one today. pretty accurate. Well far better than the B&D crap I had.

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

So you'd not agree with them that the Makita 4340CT is the 'best on test'?
Next being Metabo STE 70? Then Bosch PST 850 PE?

BTW, IMM as usual has got things wrong. Strange for one so adept at cut
and paste. The Power Devil *did not* beat the DeWalt on test. Nor the two
B&D models tested.

What was interesting was that the Wicks 710W Pendulum did so well, coming
just behind the others I've listed as best on test - but at a fraction of
the price. 19 quid would you believe, less than half the next 'better'
one, and approx 1/9th the cost of the Makita...

They also tested and mentioned that cordless types were 'in general' a
waste of time and money, unless you had no source of mains power.

I often wonder why people are so quick to criticise Which. Although, as in
IMM's case, much of what it does say is inadequately - or just plain
wrongly - reported.

Its purpose is to give a decent honest guide to the average consumer - not
the serious hobbyist who would be expected to read the specialist mags and
spend more time deciding for himself.

I'm curious about those who knock Which. It receives no public money, and
describes the methods they use for testing. And can't be influence by
advertising or having specially prepared products presented for testing.
The publishing world is littered with examples of the commercial press
getting things very wrong through just these reasons.

I usually take their advice when buying the sort of thing I'm not
terribly interested in - washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc. And have
always been happy.

--
*Pentium wise, pen and paper foolish *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:11:55 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
If you read previous threads on jigsaws, you would find that there is
an enormous difference between a £30 B&D jigsaw and a professional
grade one.

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

So you'd not agree with them that the Makita 4340CT is the 'best on test'?
Next being Metabo STE 70? Then Bosch PST 850 PE?

Probably out of those three, that would be a reasonable order, but
it's not really an apples to apples comparison, because the Bosch GST
series is in price between the Metabo and the Makita with other
reviews showing it as better than both.

They've set out a range of products from the low end to the high and
attempted to compare them - the results aren't that surprising.



BTW, IMM as usual has got things wrong. Strange for one so adept at cut
and paste. The Power Devil *did not* beat the DeWalt on test. Nor the two
B&D models tested.

What was interesting was that the Wicks 710W Pendulum did so well, coming
just behind the others I've listed as best on test - but at a fraction of
the price. 19 quid would you believe, less than half the next 'better'
one, and approx 1/9th the cost of the Makita...

One has to be careful on prices. The Wickes one at £19 is a street
price, whereas the typical street price of the Makita is around £115.

Also, it makes sense to look at both value for money figures as well
as performance figures - generally this is what the specialist
magazines do.


They also tested and mentioned that cordless types were 'in general' a
waste of time and money, unless you had no source of mains power.

I've never seen a reason for one, although my usage tends to be at the
bench, mainly.


I often wonder why people are so quick to criticise Which. Although, as in
IMM's case, much of what it does say is inadequately - or just plain
wrongly - reported.

Its purpose is to give a decent honest guide to the average consumer - not
the serious hobbyist who would be expected to read the specialist mags and
spend more time deciding for himself.

I agree. I'm not criticising it for what it sets out to do, and it
does do that reasonably well. The question was more one of how
valuable that is. I would take Which as one data point when buying
something, but not the only one, any more than any other review.

For tools, I tend to take a lot more care, simply because I am
generally looking for higher end ones.




I'm curious about those who knock Which. It receives no public money, and
describes the methods they use for testing. And can't be influence by
advertising or having specially prepared products presented for testing.
The publishing world is littered with examples of the commercial press
getting things very wrong through just these reasons.

I usually take their advice when buying the sort of thing I'm not
terribly interested in - washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc. And have
always been happy.

I agree, and I think that that's the point.


..andy

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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

So you'd not agree with them that the Makita 4340CT is the 'best on test'?
Next being Metabo STE 70? Then Bosch PST 850 PE?

Probably out of those three, that would be a reasonable order, but
it's not really an apples to apples comparison, because the Bosch GST
series is in price between the Metabo and the Makita with other
reviews showing it as better than both.

They've set out a range of products from the low end to the high and
attempted to compare them - the results aren't that surprising.

What? Best on test, but taking into account price? You'd need to read the
entire article to get the full info - as I think I'd suggested - but
price, or indeed brand, doesn't always guarantee the best performance.
The results are surprising. I'd suggest you read the article in full.

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:11:55 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:

A Power Devil just beat a DeWalt jigsaw in a Which test.

For tool purchases, Which? would be the
last place I'd look for comparisons.

They've set out a range of products from the low end to the high and
attempted to compare them - the results aren't that surprising.

BTW, IMM as usual has got things wrong.

The Power Devil *did not* beat the DeWalt on test.

No right. What StealthUK said:

"Does anyone read Which! Magazine? They just tested some Jigsaws and the £90
DeWalt didn't come out too well. Even the £19 Wickes rated higher (with the
exception of endurance of the motor) and the £15 Power Devil had a higher
rating in quality of cut! Makita came out on top and Metabo and Bosch also
did well."

Power Devil was better quality in cutting than a DeWally. And cost about
3/6d.

What was interesting was that the Wicks
710W Pendulum did so well, coming
just behind the others I've listed as best
on test - but at a fraction of
the price. 19 quid would you believe, less
than half the next 'better'
one, and approx 1/9th the cost of the Makita...

One has to be careful on prices. The Wickes
one at £19 is a street price, whereas the typical
street price of the Makita is around £115.

So you can buy 6 Wickes (Kress) jigsaws for one Makita. The choice is
obvious for DIYers.

I often wonder why people are so
quick to criticise Which. Although, as in
IMM's case, much of what it does say
is inadequately - or just plain
wrongly - reported.

In my case? I didn't write the reports,

I'm curious about those who knock Which.
It receives no public money, and
describes the methods they use for testing.

Those who have spent too much and can't accept the fact.

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:50:05 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
For tool purchases, Which? would be the last place I'd look for
comparisons.

So you'd not agree with them that the Makita 4340CT is the 'best on test'?
Next being Metabo STE 70? Then Bosch PST 850 PE?

Probably out of those three, that would be a reasonable order, but
it's not really an apples to apples comparison, because the Bosch GST
series is in price between the Metabo and the Makita with other
reviews showing it as better than both.

They've set out a range of products from the low end to the high and
attempted to compare them - the results aren't that surprising.

What? Best on test, but taking into account price?


You'd need to read the
entire article to get the full info - as I think I'd suggested - but
price, or indeed brand, doesn't always guarantee the best performance.
The results are surprising. I'd suggest you read the article in full.

I did but didn't find them that surprising:

"Best on Test is the Makita 434OCT with an impressive total test score
of 86 per cent. At around £175 it's not cheap so is best suited to the
semi-professional or avid DIYer."

"If you're on a budget and don't mind compromising a little on cutting
speed and quality, or if you just need a jigsaw for one or two tasks,
pick the Wickes 710W pendulum jigsaw. At under £20 from Wickes it's
fantastic value for money."

"If you want a Best Buy with a mid-range price tag, choose from the
£50 Bosch PST 650 PE,the £80 Metabo STE 70, both available from
independents, or the £90 Bosch PST 850 PE"

The Wickes one came in at 76% and was inferior to the Makita on most
issues including safety and equal on others.

Predictably, the Wickes product started to deteriorate rapidly:

"But the bargain price tag comes at the expense of endurance. At the
end of our 15-hour test, the jigsaw was not only very noisy, its motor
bearings were clearly worn. Since it's so basic, it has neither an
anti-splinter device nor a parallel guide."

So it's fantastic value for money for a short while according to
Which?. Doesn't seem very interesting to me.


..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

The Wickes one came in at 76% and was inferior to the Makita on most
issues including safety and equal on others.

Predictably, the Wickes product started to deteriorate rapidly:

"But the bargain price tag comes at the expense of endurance. At the
end of our 15-hour test, the jigsaw was not only very noisy, its motor
bearings were clearly worn. Since it's so basic, it has neither an
anti-splinter device nor a parallel guide."

My £6 Argos jigsaw has both of these.

So it's fantastic value for money for a short while according to
Which?. Doesn't seem very interesting to me.

Did it give the state of play for others after 15 hours? The Wickes is 9
time cheaper than the Makita. Would 9 of these outlast one Makita? I think
so.