In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Richard

Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Like theres ever gonna be a domestic hydrogen supply€¦

Seriously, if we *do* go down the route of manufacturing hydrogen Im
pretty sure itll be reserved for uses where rapid refuelling is required,
not squandered on domestic heating.

Tim


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On 18/05/2021 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Like theres ever gonna be a domestic hydrogen supply€¦

Seriously, if we *do* go down the route of manufacturing hydrogen Im
pretty sure itll be reserved for uses where rapid refuelling is required,
not squandered on domestic heating.


Rapid/load balancing can be handled by other means. Long term storage
for winter is the real problem in the UK. Hydrogen can be stored.

On 18/05/2021 09:54, Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Like theres ever gonna be a domestic hydrogen supply€¦

Seriously, if we *do* go down the route of manufacturing hydrogen Im
pretty sure itll be reserved for uses where rapid refuelling is
required,
not squandered on domestic heating.


Rapid/load balancing can be handled by other means. Long term storage
for winter is the real problem in the UK. Hydrogen can be stored.

Not nearly as safely as plutonium


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On 18/05/2021 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:54, Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted
after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Like theres ever gonna be a domestic hydrogen supply€¦

Seriously, if we *do* go down the route of manufacturing hydrogen Im
pretty sure itll be reserved for uses where rapid refuelling is
required,
not squandered on domestic heating.


Rapid/load balancing can be handled by other means. Long term storage
for winter is the real problem in the UK. Hydrogen can be stored.

Not nearly as safely as plutonium


But TBF harder to weaponise.



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On 18/05/2021 10:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rapid/load balancing can be handled by other means. Long term storage
for winter is the real problem in the UK. Hydrogen can be stored.

Not nearly as safely as plutonium


I'm not sure about that. I would guess plutonium storage is much, much
cheaper.

However the real point is that it is easier to produce suitable amounts
of plutonium.

On 18/05/2021 09:54, Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Like theres ever gonna be a domestic hydrogen supply€¦

Seriously, if we *do* go down the route of manufacturing hydrogen Im
pretty sure itll be reserved for uses where rapid refuelling is
required,
not squandered on domestic heating.


Rapid/load balancing can be handled by other means. Long term storage
for winter is the real problem in the UK. Hydrogen can be stored.


There are plans to add hydrogen to the natural gas network to make a blend.

On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago. The
burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).

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On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).


As stated many times before, coal gas contained a high percentage of
hydrogen.

On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago. The
burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).

I seem to recall there is an experimental village somewhere in the UK
where they are trialling this.




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In message , John
Rumm writes
I seem to recall there is an experimental village somewhere in the UK
where they are trialling this.


I think it is on the site of RAF Spadeadam in Cumbria

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On 18/05/2021 21:02, Adrian wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
I seem to recall there is an experimental village somewhere in the UK
where they are trialling this.


I think it is on the site of RAF Spadeadam in Cumbria


I think near the RAF station but not on it. ISTR it's on a site long
used for testing things that go bang.


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In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a ”spare• boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mindŒ

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

I‘m assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

Mine has been running happily since 1989

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On 18/05/2021 10:51, charles wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €�spare€¢ boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mindÅ’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

I€˜m assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

Mine has been running happily since 1989


:-).

Two British GAs engineers were jailed for manslaughter after
one installed a flueless gas fire badly and the other did not
replace the case correctly on a fan-assisted boiler that had a
case that was under a positive pressure, or something like that.

On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago. The
burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).


Maybe use Ammonia. Easy leak detection.

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"Clive Arthur" wrote in message
...
Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes is
going to be interesting (Chinese usage).

Maybe use Ammonia. Easy leak detection.

Is ammonia flammable? I've heard of it being used as a refrigerant, but not
as a boiler fuel.

On 18/05/2021 12:43, NY wrote:
"Clive Arthur" wrote in message
...
Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution
pipes is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).

Maybe use Ammonia.Â* Easy leak detection.

Is ammonia flammable? I've heard of it being used as a refrigerant, but
not as a boiler fuel.

Oh yes!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia#Combustion

NY wrote:

Is ammonia flammable? I've heard of it being used as a refrigerant, but
not as a boiler fuel.

I've heard of it it as a possible replacement for bunker oil for big ships.

On 18/05/2021 11:36, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago.
The burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).


Maybe use Ammonia.Â* Easy leak detection.

Currently the production of ammonia is very energy intensive.

https://ammoniaindustry.com/ammonia-...ghg-emissions/

"Ammonia production causes 1% of total global GHG emissions"

and

"North American producers emit, on average, 2.129 tons CO2 per ton NH3
produced. North American producers emit more CO2 per ton ammonia than
most but, on the other hand, Chinese producers emit, on average, 4.429
tons CO2 per ton NH3 produced. Again, this data relates to 2010."

I really can't see it happening as a serious fuel.

On 19/05/2021 13:20, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/05/2021 11:36, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted
after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago.
The burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution
pipes is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).


Maybe use Ammonia.Â* Easy leak detection.

Currently the production of ammonia is very energy intensive.

https://ammoniaindustry.com/ammonia-...ghg-emissions/


"Ammonia production causes 1% of total global GHG emissions"

and

"North American producers emit, on average, 2.129 tons CO2 per ton NH3
produced. North American producers emit more CO2 per ton ammonia than
most but, on the other hand, Chinese producers emit, on average, 4.429
tons CO2 per ton NH3 produced. Again, this data relates to 2010."

I really can't see it happening as a serious fuel.

That's usually because they use the same steam reformation process that
is typically used to produce Hydrogen from natural gas. That is a fairly
cheap and moderately energy intensive, but also also produces lots of CO2.

An alternative is to use electrolysis to to split sea water into H and
O2, and then produce the ammonia from that "green" hydrogen. However
cost wise this is usually far higher because it uses about 8 times the
energy just to generate the hydrogen.

However the argument goes that if you have some non dispatchable
intermittent generation capacity (i.e. wind. / solar etc) then that
could be a good way of utilising that "difficult to use" energy source
to accumulate a liquid fuel stock that can be stored and transported
relatively easily.

Countries like Iceland already use surplus hydroelectric energy to
produce ammonia for fertiliser production using this method.



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Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

Seriously, how is anyone going to know? The quality of €œprofessional€�
installations is so variable that as long as youre halfway competent no
one will be able to tell the difference, particularly if youre just
swapping a boiler and not relocating it.


There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago.

Not unknown after professional installations! ;-)

Tim

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Tim+ wrote:
Seriously, how is anyone going to know? The quality of €œprofessional€�
installations is so variable that as long as youre halfway competent no
one will be able to tell the difference, particularly if youre just
swapping a boiler and not relocating it.

AIUI a boiler replacement is supposed to be registered with GasSafe. If the
age of the boiler doesn't match the age of the most recent registration,
someone might start asking questions...

Theo

On 18/05/2021 12:28, Theo wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Seriously, how is anyone going to know? The quality of €œprofessional€�
installations is so variable that as long as youre halfway competent no
one will be able to tell the difference, particularly if youre just
swapping a boiler and not relocating it.

AIUI a boiler replacement is supposed to be registered with GasSafe. If the
age of the boiler doesn't match the age of the most recent registration,
someone might start asking questions...

Theo

How do we check that out boiler installer did this?

On 18/05/2021 12:01, Tim+ wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

Seriously, how is anyone going to know? The quality of €œprofessional€�
installations is so variable that as long as youre halfway competent no
one will be able to tell the difference, particularly if youre just
swapping a boiler and not relocating it.

And how can it void your insurance when the legal requirement is for the
installer to be competent and there is no requirement for them to be
registered, as long as they are not being paid for the work?

Where in most insurance documents does it mention self-installing boilers?

On 18/05/2021 17:19, Steve Walker wrote:
On 18/05/2021 12:01, Tim+ wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted
after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

Seriously, how is anyone going to know?Â* The quality of €œprofessional€�
installations is so variable that as long as youre halfway competent no
one will be able to tell the difference, particularly if youre just
swapping a boiler and not relocating it.

And how can it void your insurance when the legal requirement is for the
installer to be competent and there is no requirement for them to be
registered, as long as they are not being paid for the work?

Where in most insurance documents does it mention self-installing boilers?

That was my thought too.

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

I take it you have a vested interest?

I'll take a bet with you. That there are far more gas explosions where
'professionals' were involved than skilled amateurs.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.

I take it you have a vested interest?

I'll take a bet with you. That there are far more gas explosions where
'professionals' were involved than skilled amateurs.


But there are far far more €œprofessional€� installs than amateur ones so
total numbers of explosions
per type of installation would be misleading.

Tim
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On 18/05/2021 09:45, Martin Brown wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:

In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

A non-professional gas installation voids your household insurance.
There was a spectacular one went bang round here about a decade ago.

Can you provide evidence of this?

The
burnt out remains of the house sat unloved for years afterwards.

Which suggests there was no insurance in the first place.

Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Persuading hydrogen to stay inside the existing gas distribution pipes
is going to be interesting (Chinese usage).

Quite, except town gas seem to stay in the pipes ok.

On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:


Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Richard



I see Worcester-Bosch are suggesting they are developing hydrogen ready
boilers. Boilers which can run on natural gas now, but someday, and that
day may never come, they can be called upon to run on hydrogen.

In article ,
Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:


Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Richard



I see Worcester-Bosch are suggesting they are developing hydrogen ready
boilers. Boilers which can run on natural gas now, but someday, and that
day may never come, they can be called upon to run on hydrogen.

It was done with coal gas natural gas. Simply a change of burners.

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On 18/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:


Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Richard



I see Worcester-Bosch are suggesting they are developing hydrogen ready
boilers. Boilers which can run on natural gas now, but someday, and that
day may never come, they can be called upon to run on hydrogen.

It was done with coal gas natural gas. Simply a change of burners.

It should be easier with boilers that can self-calibrate.

On 18/05/2021 10:52, charles wrote:
In article ,
Pancho wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:37, Tricky Dicky wrote:


Boilers that can be converted to using hydrogen are to be exempt.

Richard



I see Worcester-Bosch are suggesting they are developing hydrogen ready
boilers. Boilers which can run on natural gas now, but someday, and that
day may never come, they can be called upon to run on hydrogen.

It was done with coal gas natural gas. Simply a change of burners.


And then all the joints between the cast iron gas pipes slowly started
to leak while they were trying to replace umpteen thousands of miles of
pipes with yellow 'plastic'

On 18/05/2021 09:31, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.


It could be banned under building regulations (which already make
fitting a new gas boiler notifiable).

As usual, what effort will be put into enforcement is another matter.


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On 18/05/2021 09:58, Robin wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:31, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.


It could be banned under building regulations (which already make
fitting a new gas boiler notifiable).

As usual, what effort will be put into enforcement is another matter.

Indeed, how will they know if you've self installed a replacement
boiler, unless you've asked them in to look at something else and they
see it? Especially as an enforcement notice must be issued within 12
months of the completion of the work or a prosecution started within 2
years of it, so probably too late if they do eventually see it.

Yes they can seek an injunction preventing any use of the building until
it is put right, but a) that is really reserved for dangerous situations
and b) this power is rarely (if ever) used.

On 18/05/2021 17:15, Steve Walker wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:58, Robin wrote:
On 18/05/2021 09:31, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.


It could be banned under building regulations (which already make
fitting a new gas boiler notifiable).

As usual, what effort will be put into enforcement is another matter.

Indeed, how will they know if you've self installed a replacement
boiler, unless you've asked them in to look at something else and they
see it? Especially as an enforcement notice must be issued within 12
months of the completion of the work or a prosecution started within 2
years of it, so probably too late if they do eventually see it.

Yes they can seek an injunction preventing any use of the building until
it is put right, but a) that is really reserved for dangerous situations
and b) this power is rarely (if ever) used.

OTOH things may change. Perhaps the Building (Climate Change) Act 2025
will bring fitting a new gas boiler within the new offence of "Building
against planet". With Punishable by an unlimited fine and a sentence of
up to 14 years. And with a new BCO force - uniformed, armed with 12"
angle grinders, and authorised to say "Are you feeling lucky, punk?"

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On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:58:56 +0100, Robin wrote:

On 18/05/2021 09:31, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a “spare” boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

I’m assuming that only professional installs can be banned.


It could be banned under building regulations (which already make
fitting a new gas boiler notifiable).

I had a new (replacement) gas CH boiler professionally (Gas Safe)
installed in m-i-ls house just over a year ago. No mention of having
to notify building control. Who is supposed to be notified?

Davidm wrote:
I had a new (replacement) gas CH boiler professionally (Gas Safe)
installed in m-i-ls house just over a year ago. No mention of having
to notify building control. Who is supposed to be notified?

"If your Gas Safe registered business has installed a heat producing
appliance (such as a boiler or fire), theyll need to comply with the
regulations and notify (self-certify) these appliances with the relevant
local authority within 30 days of installation. If youre a homeowner, its
also up to you to ensure the Building Regulations are adhered to by making
sure your engineer notifies the installation.

How to get a Building Regulations Certificate

Your Gas Safe registered engineer just needs to notify through Gas Safe
Register. Once theyve done this, we will inform your local authority and
youll receive your Building Regulations Compliance Certificate in the post
in 10-15 working days."

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/he...s-certificate/

(I'm not sure if the 'Building Regulations Compliance Certificate' is
actually a thing that must be produced by law, or a nice piece of paper
marketed by Gas Safe to keep householders and conveyancers happy. I think
the notification is the main thing)

Theo

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:31:34 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
In the light of plans to stop new gas or oil boilers being fitted after
2025 how many folk are considering buying a €œspare€� boiler? ;-)

I must admit the thought has crossed my mind€¦

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149059.

Im assuming that only professional installs can be banned.

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

Well it does beg the question why Northern Gas Networks are busy ripping up roads around here putting new pipe work in or lining existing pipes. At best if the government are serious about their 2030 deadline how long after will all gas continue to be used with a boiler lifespan rated at 10yrs. by 2040 there will be few people requiring gas.

Richard

Tricky Dicky presented the following explanation :
Well it does beg the question why Northern Gas Networks are busy ripping up
roads around here putting new pipe work in or lining existing pipes.

Likewise here too and they have been at it several years, just in our
village.