Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


Joking aside, I was given a jar of 'Faux Gras' from Gauthier's for
christmas and it was bloody delicious. The recipe is on the Web, it's
not complicated.

--
Cheers
Clive

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:14:12 +0100, Clive Arthur
wrote:

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


Joking aside,

Oh, don't spoil it Clive. I wanted to watch Fredxx revel in his glory
as he was bound to have taken it literally. ;-)

I was given a jar of 'Faux Gras' from Gauthier's for
christmas and it was bloody delicious. The recipe is on the Web, it's
not complicated.

I'll have to check that out (not that we ever really ate foie gras as
we have considered the production process to be barbaric for years)
.... and why wouldn't you seek out alternatives that didn't require all
that animal torture (which it can only be considered to be)?

Whilst we are on the subject and being serious, you might like to sign
the petition Fredxx pointed out elsewhe

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...t-of-fois-gras

We get various vegan vegetables Pates, 'with onion, herbs and spices'
etc and they are also 'perfectly fine', again, especially because an
animal didn't have to suffer and die to provide them. This sort of
thing:

https://groceries.asda.com/product/h...-pate/26400835

It's just this normalisation of the assumed right / acceptance that
it's 'ok' to make animals suffer and die when we don't need to that we
need more people to consider.

The problem is they see 'vegan' and think it must be 'weird' (which is
strange given 2/3rds of everone's diets are supposed to be (fruit and)
vegetables in any case?) so they don't give it a go.

Everything we eat is vegan and so that is now 'perfectly normal' for
us and further we are enjoying all the 'new' foods and flavours we may
have never tried otherwise. Maybe we are just progressive retirees.
;-)

Cheers, T i m

You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian

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"T i m" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:37:40 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?

Of course (and partly the point). ;-)

ITRW there was no humour (just ironic truth and sarcasm) 'in' my post,
but the timing and target.

Fredxx will probably accuse me of 'duping him' again as *he* 'didn't
realise it was April fools day'! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.

Bill

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 20:31:12 +0100, williamwright
wrote:

On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.


But hey, in this case you are getting any entertainment for free so
get what you pay for, especially on April the 1st. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 20:31, williamwright wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who doÂ* not get the humour in your
post?
Â* Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.

I think T i m was dreaming and he wrote his post in his sleep.

On 1 Apr 2021 09:55:04 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 01 Apr 2021 at 09:37:40 BST, "Brian Gaff \ Sofa\)"
wrote:

You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian

You mean they won't have noticed the date? Gosh.

Yes.

See, there are 'some people' who are very literal and seem to take
everything at face value, not reading / seeing into anything further
unless it's actually spelled out for them.

For some that seems to give them the chance to then make stuff up and
if that's not countered (because you aren't reading what they type),
take that as a confirmation of it being a fact!

And it's not just the trolls that get such things wrong. ;-)

https://theveganreview.com/vegan-mil...livery-london/

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 10:15, T i m wrote:

See, there are 'some people' who are very literal and seem to take
everything at face value, not reading / seeing into anything further
unless it's actually spelled out for them.

Sounds like you're describing the vegan movement's propaganda, but on
the local level we like to help you out when you're thoughtlessly
repeating the b*ll*x again.

--
Spike

T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

Don't make a mess of the carpet, do it outside
where your relos can hose the mess away.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:59:02 +1100, "April Fool"
wrote:

T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

As would a troll having to hide behind several socks / aliases.

A real man would have more pride than to do that.

So, how you getting on with all the non-native, feral / stray cats out
there in Auz? Are they all sitting on your shack as it floats off in
the floodwater?

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote
T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

So, how you getting on with all the non-native,
feral / stray cats out there in Auz?

Not a problem here. The bugger that used to zoom
up one of my big trees, wander along a big branch
over the flat metal roof of my house and then jump
off the branch onto the the metal roof with a thump
is long gone. Not clear if it died or went with one of
the renters that I have in some houses across the road.

The other bugger that used to come right into the house
is gone too.

Are they all sitting on your shack as it floats off in the floodwater?

Massive great concrete slab with block walls isnt going to float, ****wit.

No floodwater here either.

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:59:02 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH more the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I initially
thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do say many a
true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what you
want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with and
accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights over
straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there is a
method and change can only made in sustainable increments. Abusing those
who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

On 01/04/2021 12:56 pm, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I initially
thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do say many a
true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what you
want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with and
accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights over
straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there is a
method and change can only made in sustainable increments. Abusing those
who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:05:18 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

snip

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

Luckily I know better than believe and especially repeat *anything*
Fredxx states as fact. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 15:05, JNugent wrote:
On 01/04/2021 12:56 pm, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I
initially thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do
say many a true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what
you want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with
and accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights
over straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there
is a method and change can only made in sustainable increments.
Abusing those who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote
veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

Thank you. Hence why I specified "acts of homosexuality". Perhaps I
should have been more exacting and mention only amongst men of course.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:56:24 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

I think it was The One Show that was on in the background earlier and
they were talking about people running amok in the great outdoors as
lockdown eases, litter, 'The Country Code' and dogs behaving normally.

eg, There was a 'sheep farmer' saying how upset he was when he finds
sheep that have been killed by dogs, 'We are passionate about our
sheep' he said and considering he is going to kill them anyway (or
send them to be killed etc) when they are still very young, exactly
what was he upset about?

It can't be them being killed by dogs as dogs are their natural
predators and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right (and we know nature can be cruel) so is it that he didn't get to
kill them himself and/or that he simply couldn't get the money from
their dead corpses ... and the entire reason he was 'farming' them in
the first place etc. It would be more understandable (from the
premature death pov) if they were the last of a wild sheep species or
he was running a rescue?

I mean, if someone is passionate about something that normally means
they are very keen, into and would generally protect the outcome
against all risks. If someone is 'passionate' about pottery, art or
woodwork, they don't typically smash the pots / painting / furniture
up at the end? Or if they are passionate about golf they don't break
the clubs or dig up the green?

So are they 'passionate' about 'lambs' or 'exploiting lambs and making
money from lamb meat', the corpses of the lambs they breed and raise?

eg, It's not the living animal they are passionate about, it's the
money their corpses can bring, just a commodity?

No, I 'get' how people who have done something that their 'father and
grandfather before them' has done, but what if their forefathers were
bear-baiters or foie gras producers, would you be proud to carry that
trade on 'these days'?

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 20:15, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:56:24 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

I think it was The One Show that was on in the background earlier and
they were talking about people running amok in the great outdoors as
lockdown eases, litter, 'The Country Code' and dogs behaving normally.

eg, There was a 'sheep farmer' saying how upset he was when he finds
sheep that have been killed by dogs, 'We are passionate about our
sheep' he said and considering he is going to kill them anyway (or
send them to be killed etc) when they are still very young, exactly
what was he upset about?

I suspect if some dog ran off with your Tofurky you'd be a little
miffed too.

It can't be them being killed by dogs as dogs are their natural
predators

Man is a natural predator too.

and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right

Yep, lambs are man's natural prey.

(and we know nature can be cruel)

But because we are a higher animal, we can improve animal welfare and
slaughter methods. But you don't want that do you? In fact you seem to
bask in animal pain and suffering.

so is it that he didn't get to
kill them himself and/or that he simply couldn't get the money from
their dead corpses ... and the entire reason he was 'farming' them in
the first place etc.

Has the penny finally dropped?

It would be more understandable (from the
premature death pov) if they were the last of a wild sheep species or
he was running a rescue?

So what you're saying it's ok to kill a lamb for it's meat, glad we got
that one sorted.

I mean, if someone is passionate about something that normally means
they are very keen, into and would generally protect the outcome
against all risks. If someone is 'passionate' about pottery, art or
woodwork, they don't typically smash the pots / painting / furniture
up at the end? Or if they are passionate about golf they don't break
the clubs or dig up the green?

I don't see any farmers gunning down their flock either. Are you sure
you're not still dreaming this or is this a continuation of April fools?

So are they 'passionate' about 'lambs' or 'exploiting lambs and making
money from lamb meat', the corpses of the lambs they breed and raise?

Many people are passionate about their possessions and cash too.

eg, It's not the living animal they are passionate about, it's the
money their corpses can bring, just a commodity?

You've finally hit the nail on the head, well done.

In much the same was the poor Amazonian rainforests are cut down for
your Tofurkey.

No, I 'get' how people who have done something that their 'father and
grandfather before them' has done, but what if their forefathers were
bear-baiters or foie gras producers, would you be proud to carry that
trade on 'these days'?

There are a lot of landowners who use their land for crops and animal
husbandry. I'm sure many are proud of their traditions.

Again you fail to make a significant point.

On 01/04/2021 12:56, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post

Just call him a thick **** and treat yourself to a bacon sandwich:-)




--
Adam

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

--
It wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out
behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 19:11, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I would never eat liver anyway ....

--
It wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out
behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

On 02/04/2021 08:54, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 01/04/2021 19:11, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee
Â* ;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I would never eat liver anyway ....


The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.
--
It wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out
behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:56:47 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.

And that's *exactly* the situation with chickens. That's why they cut
the tips of their beaks off ... because they are used to being in
social groups (flocks) of 100 or less as they can recognise a maximum
of 100 and so become comfortable which birds are part of their flock.
Put them with more birds (thousands) and it causes stress and they
start pecking at each other ... so the farmer fixes that by damaging
their key sensory organ and life tool (beak), just to stop his
commodities from damaging themselves out of frustration (for the
position the farmer has put them into)?

They also have many vocalisations so talk to each other.

They are forced to grow so fast their legs often break because their
legs can't take the weight as they haven't grown as fast as their
bodies (or 'meat' as some see them).

The egg layers would typically lay a clutch of eggs and around 10-15
year (not 300). Except as soon as they lay one we take it away,
causing mental stress.

But force feeding a bird with a pipe to make it's liver bigger quicker
to then kill it to eat said liver is considered by you / Fredxx as
being cruel, but effectively forcing animals to grow faster with high
protein foods (with the associated problems that causes) in unnatural
conditions that cause massive stress and be killed quicker is
perfectly acceptable? Is it that mental stress can't be seen and so
not considered by some but a broken beak can?

It all seems pretty illogical to me. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:54:58 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)


I would never eat liver anyway ....

No, I never liked being forced to eat it as a child (my parents were
also indoctrinated like Fredxx) and I've never bought and cooked or
ordered / had it out either.

And when people see 'Oxtail' or 'tongue or 'cheek' as the main
ingredient of a food, do they ever think what that's talking about?

It's bad enough looking at any animal just as a range of 'cuts'.

Given most people explain the whole idea of 'being kind to animals'
and not even tormenting them, let alone killing them, at what age do
you think all children should visit a farm (arable, dairy, egg,
livestock) and, if they want to eat meat (or sausages, burgers, or
chicken nuggets even), what age should that be?

And I don't mean with the continuing conditioning and de-sensitisation
of 'yes, we *have* to do that to the animals ...' because it's
blatantly obvious that we don't (especially in 2021) and further, much
of what is marketed at them is likely to be why many of them are
obese?

Cheers, T i m

On 02/04/2021 09:32, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:54:58 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)


I would never eat liver anyway ....

No, I never liked being forced to eat it as a child (my parents were
also indoctrinated like Fredxx) and I've never bought and cooked or
ordered / had it out either.

And when people see 'Oxtail' or 'tongue or 'cheek' as the main
ingredient of a food, do they ever think what that's talking about?

It's bad enough looking at any animal just as a range of 'cuts'.

Given most people explain the whole idea of 'being kind to animals'
and not even tormenting them, let alone killing them, at what age do
you think all children should visit a farm (arable, dairy, egg,
livestock) and, if they want to eat meat (or sausages, burgers, or
chicken nuggets even), what age should that be?

The age when meat should be part of their natural balanced diet of course.

You do ask some stupid questions.