Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


Joking aside, I was given a jar of 'Faux Gras' from Gauthier's for
christmas and it was bloody delicious. The recipe is on the Web, it's
not complicated.

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Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

Don't make a mess of the carpet, do it outside
where your relos can hose the mess away.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:14:12 +0100, Clive Arthur
wrote:

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


Joking aside,

Oh, don't spoil it Clive. I wanted to watch Fredxx revel in his glory
as he was bound to have taken it literally. ;-)

I was given a jar of 'Faux Gras' from Gauthier's for
christmas and it was bloody delicious. The recipe is on the Web, it's
not complicated.

I'll have to check that out (not that we ever really ate foie gras as
we have considered the production process to be barbaric for years)
.... and why wouldn't you seek out alternatives that didn't require all
that animal torture (which it can only be considered to be)?

Whilst we are on the subject and being serious, you might like to sign
the petition Fredxx pointed out elsewhe

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...t-of-fois-gras

We get various vegan vegetables Pates, 'with onion, herbs and spices'
etc and they are also 'perfectly fine', again, especially because an
animal didn't have to suffer and die to provide them. This sort of
thing:

https://groceries.asda.com/product/h...-pate/26400835

It's just this normalisation of the assumed right / acceptance that
it's 'ok' to make animals suffer and die when we don't need to that we
need more people to consider.

The problem is they see 'vegan' and think it must be 'weird' (which is
strange given 2/3rds of everone's diets are supposed to be (fruit and)
vegetables in any case?) so they don't give it a go.

Everything we eat is vegan and so that is now 'perfectly normal' for
us and further we are enjoying all the 'new' foods and flavours we may
have never tried otherwise. Maybe we are just progressive retirees.
;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:37:40 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?

Of course (and partly the point). ;-)

ITRW there was no humour (just ironic truth and sarcasm) 'in' my post,
but the timing and target.

Fredxx will probably accuse me of 'duping him' again as *he* 'didn't
realise it was April fools day'! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:59:02 +1100, "April Fool"
wrote:

T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

As would a troll having to hide behind several socks / aliases.

A real man would have more pride than to do that.

So, how you getting on with all the non-native, feral / stray cats out
there in Auz? Are they all sitting on your shack as it floats off in
the floodwater?

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:59:02 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH more the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On 1 Apr 2021 09:55:04 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 01 Apr 2021 at 09:37:40 BST, "Brian Gaff \ Sofa\)"
wrote:

You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian

You mean they won't have noticed the date? Gosh.

Yes.

See, there are 'some people' who are very literal and seem to take
everything at face value, not reading / seeing into anything further
unless it's actually spelled out for them.

For some that seems to give them the chance to then make stuff up and
if that's not countered (because you aren't reading what they type),
take that as a confirmation of it being a fact!

And it's not just the trolls that get such things wrong. ;-)

https://theveganreview.com/vegan-mil...livery-london/

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 10:15, T i m wrote:

See, there are 'some people' who are very literal and seem to take
everything at face value, not reading / seeing into anything further
unless it's actually spelled out for them.

Sounds like you're describing the vegan movement's propaganda, but on
the local level we like to help you out when you're thoughtlessly
repeating the b*ll*x again.

--
Spike

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I initially
thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do say many a
true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what you
want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with and
accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights over
straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there is a
method and change can only made in sustainable increments. Abusing those
who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

On 01/04/2021 12:56 pm, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I initially
thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do say many a
true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what you
want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with and
accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights over
straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there is a
method and change can only made in sustainable increments. Abusing those
who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

On 01/04/2021 02:37 pm, T i m wrote:

Fredxx wrote:

snip

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

What was I saying about those unable to comprehend the most basic
concepts unless spelled out for them (and probably why you are so
confused / petrified most of the time).

Whist you are *technically* right (when referenced out of context)
that most calves don't get to lactate because they are slaughtered way
before that time, I was describing the growth fluid that is produced
by mother cows to feed to their calves, the milk produced *for* calves
(not us), 'calves milk'.

Baby food isn't food made of babies (although if you judge what we can
eat based on it's intelligence, sentience or consent then you would
probably eat them as well).

Cows milk is *meant* to go to calves so maybe a re-name might remind
consumers of the victims they are abusing?

In the fridge at work, one reusable container used to be labelled
"Typist's Milk".

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:07:50 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

snip

In the fridge at work, one reusable container used to be labelled
"Typist's Milk".

Exactly, the milk meant *for* the typist(s), not *from* them. ;-)

One of the biggest slap_in_the_face for cows in America is that humans
often post pictures of their lost / missing children on cow milk
cartons. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:06:50 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

snip

Avian Lives Matter.

Well, only 'pretty ones' it seems?

I wonder what percentage of 'birders' spend ages watching the antics
and plumage of a goose or duck and then go home and have goose or duck
for dinner?

People seem happy to eat Turkeys and chickens because they aren't
'pretty'?

That said, we went to a Livestock show (on during one of the many cow
related lockdowns, BSE maybe) and they only had the show chickens. I
really didn't realise there were that many breeds and how 'fancy' some
of them could be.

The Mrs gave some kid an actual clip_round_the_ear (without really
thinking) because he was poking one of the chickens with a stick. It
was probably Spike, he saw one being slaughtered when a kid and it
didn't put him off so ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

p.s. One fairly distant Uncle used to breed budgies and one family
friend we used to visit (as kids) had a budgie and I always thought
keeping such a creature in such a confined space to be 'wrong'.

I mean, if she opened the window and it flew out and about but came
'home' that might be something.

When I was about 16 I rescued a Rock Dove (broken wing tip) and once
the vet had treated it and it had regained it's strength, it lived
free in an open fronted roosting box I made and put at the bottom of
the garden, fairly high on the garage wall (so the cat's didn't get
it) with a ramp access. The dogs also kept the cats away but didn't
touch the dove.

We (it and us) didn't realise it could still fly till a mate threw it
in the air (not realising it couldn't fly) and it managed to flap up
and onto the house roof. It would still fly down and stay in it's
house overnight and would jump onto my hand and walk up to my shoulder
and often stay there as I walked around the garden.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:05:18 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

snip

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

Luckily I know better than believe and especially repeat *anything*
Fredxx states as fact. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

--
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behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote
T i m wrote

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx
was right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

A Jap would have the decency to disembowel itself.

So, how you getting on with all the non-native,
feral / stray cats out there in Auz?

Not a problem here. The bugger that used to zoom
up one of my big trees, wander along a big branch
over the flat metal roof of my house and then jump
off the branch onto the the metal roof with a thump
is long gone. Not clear if it died or went with one of
the renters that I have in some houses across the road.

The other bugger that used to come right into the house
is gone too.

Are they all sitting on your shack as it floats off in the floodwater?

Massive great concrete slab with block walls isnt going to float, ****wit.

No floodwater here either.

On 01/04/2021 15:05, JNugent wrote:
On 01/04/2021 12:56 pm, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post and don't see why I should gloat. I
initially thought it was someone masquerading as you. However, they do
say many a true word is said in jest.

I would never question your choice of diet, you are free to eat what
you want when you want, just stop abusing others you don't agree with
and accept their way of life is different to yours.

Remember that from Oscar Wilde's incarceration it took over 100 years
for acts of homosexuality to become legal and to have equal rights
over straight, indeed enshrined in law. If you truly want change there
is a method and change can only made in sustainable increments.
Abusing those who support your choice of diet does nothing to promote
veganism.

BTW I don't think many calves lactate.

Full marks for avoiding the usual BBC schoolboy error (the repeated
claim, never the slightest bit truer for repetition) that homosexuality
used to be a crime).

Thank you. Hence why I specified "acts of homosexuality". Perhaps I
should have been more exacting and mention only amongst men of course.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:56:24 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

I think it was The One Show that was on in the background earlier and
they were talking about people running amok in the great outdoors as
lockdown eases, litter, 'The Country Code' and dogs behaving normally.

eg, There was a 'sheep farmer' saying how upset he was when he finds
sheep that have been killed by dogs, 'We are passionate about our
sheep' he said and considering he is going to kill them anyway (or
send them to be killed etc) when they are still very young, exactly
what was he upset about?

It can't be them being killed by dogs as dogs are their natural
predators and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right (and we know nature can be cruel) so is it that he didn't get to
kill them himself and/or that he simply couldn't get the money from
their dead corpses ... and the entire reason he was 'farming' them in
the first place etc. It would be more understandable (from the
premature death pov) if they were the last of a wild sheep species or
he was running a rescue?

I mean, if someone is passionate about something that normally means
they are very keen, into and would generally protect the outcome
against all risks. If someone is 'passionate' about pottery, art or
woodwork, they don't typically smash the pots / painting / furniture
up at the end? Or if they are passionate about golf they don't break
the clubs or dig up the green?

So are they 'passionate' about 'lambs' or 'exploiting lambs and making
money from lamb meat', the corpses of the lambs they breed and raise?

eg, It's not the living animal they are passionate about, it's the
money their corpses can bring, just a commodity?

No, I 'get' how people who have done something that their 'father and
grandfather before them' has done, but what if their forefathers were
bear-baiters or foie gras producers, would you be proud to carry that
trade on 'these days'?

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.

Bill

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 20:31:12 +0100, williamwright
wrote:

On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who do not get the humour in your
post?
Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.


But hey, in this case you are getting any entertainment for free so
get what you pay for, especially on April the 1st. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 12:56, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:04, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided today to come clean and admit, in public, that Fredxx was
right all along and that my whole vegan lifestyle thing was a lie.

'Of course' I like having animals slaughtered for me and am looking
forward to the lockdown easing and can start going back to the
abattoirs and watching it all going on. I'm not sure if my favourite
is the bolt gunning of the calves or gassing the pigs (although the
latter is pretty noisy) and if that's what it takes to ensure I get my
B12, hey, they are only animals after all!

At least now (thanks to Fredxx) I don't have to sneak up the butchers,
buy a nice bloody steak and sit an eat it in the car, in case any of
my weirdo vegan family see me! (Mind you, the last time I did that
some stray dog started jumping up at the car window, scratching paint
(FFS) so I had to get out and give it a good kicking. Good job it was
only an animal).

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Fredxx again today for helping me see
the light with all his sound logic, calm reason and understanding.

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


I'm surprised at your post

Just call him a thick **** and treat yourself to a bacon sandwich:-)




--
Adam

On 01/04/2021 20:31, williamwright wrote:
On 01/04/2021 09:37, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
You do realise that there will be some who doÂ* not get the humour in your
post?
Â* Brian


It's like BBC comedy. Poor humour because it's motivated by an agenda.

I think T i m was dreaming and he wrote his post in his sleep.

On 01/04/2021 20:15, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:56:24 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

I think it was The One Show that was on in the background earlier and
they were talking about people running amok in the great outdoors as
lockdown eases, litter, 'The Country Code' and dogs behaving normally.

eg, There was a 'sheep farmer' saying how upset he was when he finds
sheep that have been killed by dogs, 'We are passionate about our
sheep' he said and considering he is going to kill them anyway (or
send them to be killed etc) when they are still very young, exactly
what was he upset about?

I suspect if some dog ran off with your Tofurky you'd be a little
miffed too.

It can't be them being killed by dogs as dogs are their natural
predators

Man is a natural predator too.

and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right

Yep, lambs are man's natural prey.

(and we know nature can be cruel)

But because we are a higher animal, we can improve animal welfare and
slaughter methods. But you don't want that do you? In fact you seem to
bask in animal pain and suffering.

so is it that he didn't get to
kill them himself and/or that he simply couldn't get the money from
their dead corpses ... and the entire reason he was 'farming' them in
the first place etc.

Has the penny finally dropped?

It would be more understandable (from the
premature death pov) if they were the last of a wild sheep species or
he was running a rescue?

So what you're saying it's ok to kill a lamb for it's meat, glad we got
that one sorted.

I mean, if someone is passionate about something that normally means
they are very keen, into and would generally protect the outcome
against all risks. If someone is 'passionate' about pottery, art or
woodwork, they don't typically smash the pots / painting / furniture
up at the end? Or if they are passionate about golf they don't break
the clubs or dig up the green?

I don't see any farmers gunning down their flock either. Are you sure
you're not still dreaming this or is this a continuation of April fools?

So are they 'passionate' about 'lambs' or 'exploiting lambs and making
money from lamb meat', the corpses of the lambs they breed and raise?

Many people are passionate about their possessions and cash too.

eg, It's not the living animal they are passionate about, it's the
money their corpses can bring, just a commodity?

You've finally hit the nail on the head, well done.

In much the same was the poor Amazonian rainforests are cut down for
your Tofurkey.

No, I 'get' how people who have done something that their 'father and
grandfather before them' has done, but what if their forefathers were
bear-baiters or foie gras producers, would you be proud to carry that
trade on 'these days'?

There are a lot of landowners who use their land for crops and animal
husbandry. I'm sure many are proud of their traditions.

Again you fail to make a significant point.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 22:36:30 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

Man is a natural predator too.

No, we can predate but we aren't really equipped to on much naturally
and we weren't born with the right weapons.

and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right

Yep, lambs are man's natural prey.

Nope. We couldn't catch them, couldn't easily kill them and certainly
couldn't dissect or consume them (without tools or fire).

(and we know nature can be cruel)

But because we are a higher animal,

We are only so in some limited ways that we have been able to use to
our advantage. In many many aspects we are way primitive to other
species. You are a very good example of that. [1]

We are as natural a predator of a sheep as we are natural in flight. 1
on 1 with no weapons and we would be easy pickings for a vast number
of the worlds creatures.

we can improve animal welfare and
slaughter methods.

The two things are completely opposite. To improve animal welfare that
either means we have interfered with (****ed up their habitat) it or
caused it to happen directly (artificially breeding them in vast
numbers).

But you don't want that do you?

I don't want to put animals in the position where we need to get
involved in their welfare, no.

snip troll ****

Cheers, T i m

[1] I believe this is the crux of your attitude towards other species.
You (truly) *believe* we are 'higher animals' AND THEREFORE have a
right to do what we want to all others.

Except you then decide that you don't want other people eating duck or
goose livers that have been force fed?

Make your mind up?

It's either one thing or the other, OR, there is some form of scale
where *you* decide where to draw the line?

Intelligence, empathy, sociability, consent? You would be way down the
scale of all of those compared with even a dog.

T i m wrote
Fredxx wrote

Man is a natural predator too.

No,

Yep.

we can predate but we aren't really equipped to on much
naturally and we weren't born with the right weapons.

But we have the brains to develop much better
weapons than any other animal ever manages.

and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature' right

Yep, lambs are man's natural prey.

Nope.

Yep.

We couldn't catch them,

Corse we could, and did.

couldn't easily kill them

Corse we can and do.

and certainly couldn't dissect or
consume them (without tools or fire).

But have brains to invent both and did that.

(and we know nature can be cruel)

But because we are a higher animal,

We are only so in some limited ways that
we have been able to use to our advantage.

More utterly mindless silly bull****.

In many many aspects we are way primitive to other species.

More utterly mindless silly bull****.

reams of even sillier **** flushed where it belongs

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:26:41 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On 01/04/2021 23:11, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 22:36:30 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip

Man is a natural predator too.

No, we can predate but we aren't really equipped to on much naturally
and we weren't born with the right weapons.

and the lambs their natural prey so that's just 'nature'
right

Yep, lambs are man's natural prey.

Nope. We couldn't catch them, couldn't easily kill them and certainly
couldn't dissect or consume them (without tools or fire).

We did and we domesticated them. Anything else is denial of the facts.

(and we know nature can be cruel)

But because we are a higher animal,

We are only so in some limited ways that we have been able to use to
our advantage. In many many aspects we are way primitive to other
species. You are a very good example of that. [1]

I understand many concepts such as consent that animals can't. Any
limitations we have in comparison with animals we have overcome.

We are as natural a predator of a sheep as we are natural in flight. 1
on 1 with no weapons and we would be easy pickings for a vast number
of the worlds creatures.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land. Were are a predator to sheep and to
believe otherwise says more about you way of thinking that you'll ever
understand.

we can improve animal welfare and
slaughter methods.

The two things are completely opposite. To improve animal welfare that
either means we have interfered with (****ed up their habitat) it or
caused it to happen directly (artificially breeding them in vast
numbers).

That's a feeble way of saying you don't care.

But you don't want that do you?

I don't want to put animals in the position where we need to get
involved in their welfare, no.

Then that is where you're going wrong.

snip troll ****

Cheers, T i m

[1] I believe this is the crux of your attitude towards other species.
You (truly) *believe* we are 'higher animals' AND THEREFORE have a
right to do what we want to all others.

That is right, we are a higher animal. We understand concepts like
consent. You would expect your dog to consent to having its genital
mutilated.

Except you then decide that you don't want other people eating duck or
goose livers that have been force fed?

That is right, I want to improve animal welfare, and you don't.
Make your mind up?

At what? I have been very clear all along, sorry of you can't follow my
views.

It's either one thing or the other, OR, there is some form of scale
where *you* decide where to draw the line?

I'm not sure what your saying here.

Intelligence, empathy, sociability, consent? You would be way down the
scale of all of those compared with even a dog.

More abuse. I consistently say we are a higher animal. You're
overstating the capabilities of a dog if you truly think they understand
consent. Was your dog asked if he wanted castration?

On 01/04/2021 19:11, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast, some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee

;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I would never eat liver anyway ....

--
It wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out
behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

On 02/04/2021 08:54, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 01/04/2021 19:11, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:51:11 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

Right, time for breakfast,Â* some foie gras on toast washed down by a
nice glass of calves milk I think. ;-)


Glad you have seen the light mr april fool...tee hee
Â* ;-)

No way would any of us go back to the dark side now and I think the
penny might even drop with that carnist Fredxx sooner rather than
later now (not that he would admit it of course).

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I would never eat liver anyway ....


The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.
--
It wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out
behind the shed and gave them a good thrashing

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:52:08 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip troll site unread

It's no longer your birthday so you are back to being obliged to
correct *everone* here who says something that you don't believe is
right, whilst not admitting that much of what you say is wrong.

Byee!

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:54:58 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)


I would never eat liver anyway ....

No, I never liked being forced to eat it as a child (my parents were
also indoctrinated like Fredxx) and I've never bought and cooked or
ordered / had it out either.

And when people see 'Oxtail' or 'tongue or 'cheek' as the main
ingredient of a food, do they ever think what that's talking about?

It's bad enough looking at any animal just as a range of 'cuts'.

Given most people explain the whole idea of 'being kind to animals'
and not even tormenting them, let alone killing them, at what age do
you think all children should visit a farm (arable, dairy, egg,
livestock) and, if they want to eat meat (or sausages, burgers, or
chicken nuggets even), what age should that be?

And I don't mean with the continuing conditioning and de-sensitisation
of 'yes, we *have* to do that to the animals ...' because it's
blatantly obvious that we don't (especially in 2021) and further, much
of what is marketed at them is likely to be why many of them are
obese?

Cheers, T i m

On 01/04/2021 15:05, T i m wrote:

The Mrs gave some kid an actual clip_round_the_ear (without really
thinking)

Child abuse, eh?

because he was poking one of the chickens with a stick. It
was probably Spike, he saw one being slaughtered when a kid and it
didn't put him off so ... ;-(

FTAOD it was all the chickens, one or two at a time.

Note that you're now so unhinged that you not only condemn people for
not following The Gospel According to T i m, but also for actually
following it. So much for your silly Meat Eaters Licence.

Get help.

--
Spike

On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:56:47 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.

And that's *exactly* the situation with chickens. That's why they cut
the tips of their beaks off ... because they are used to being in
social groups (flocks) of 100 or less as they can recognise a maximum
of 100 and so become comfortable which birds are part of their flock.
Put them with more birds (thousands) and it causes stress and they
start pecking at each other ... so the farmer fixes that by damaging
their key sensory organ and life tool (beak), just to stop his
commodities from damaging themselves out of frustration (for the
position the farmer has put them into)?

They also have many vocalisations so talk to each other.

They are forced to grow so fast their legs often break because their
legs can't take the weight as they haven't grown as fast as their
bodies (or 'meat' as some see them).

The egg layers would typically lay a clutch of eggs and around 10-15
year (not 300). Except as soon as they lay one we take it away,
causing mental stress.

But force feeding a bird with a pipe to make it's liver bigger quicker
to then kill it to eat said liver is considered by you / Fredxx as
being cruel, but effectively forcing animals to grow faster with high
protein foods (with the associated problems that causes) in unnatural
conditions that cause massive stress and be killed quicker is
perfectly acceptable? Is it that mental stress can't be seen and so
not considered by some but a broken beak can?

It all seems pretty illogical to me. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 02/04/2021 09:19, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:52:08 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

snip troll site unread

It's no longer your birthday so you are back to being obliged to
correct *everone* here who says something that you don't believe is
right, whilst not admitting that much of what you say is wrong.

Byee!

You keep saying "bye".

Just to remind you what you snipped:
1) You are a fanatic
2) Hypocrite in terms of incarcerating your pets unbecoming of a vegan.
3) Keeping a dog in captivity, admitting you subjecting it to pain
through full bladders and bowels.
4) Likely deficient in B12
5) Being an unworthy example of a vegan
6) Abusing others who disagree with you, questioning their brain.
7) In denial you abuse others who disagree with you.
8) Not caring for animal welfare, as indicated by the snipping of
petitions and not wanting to improve slaughter procedures.
9) You believe in a deity like father christmas and endorse religious
practises employed in cruel animal slaughter.
10) Admit you don't want the conditions during the animal's life to be
improved

On 02/04/2021 09:47, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:56:47 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.

And that's *exactly* the situation with chickens. That's why they cut
the tips of their beaks off ... because they are used to being in
social groups (flocks) of 100 or less as they can recognise a maximum
of 100 and so become comfortable which birds are part of their flock.
Put them with more birds (thousands) and it causes stress and they
start pecking at each other ... so the farmer fixes that by damaging
their key sensory organ and life tool (beak), just to stop his
commodities from damaging themselves out of frustration (for the
position the farmer has put them into)?

If this is important to you then campaign to put a stop to it. However
these condition serve your purpose and a way of proffering / justifying
your fanatical veganism at the cost of continued animal cruelty and
suffering.

I have made this point several times, and all you can do is snip it
hoping the point will go away. It won't.

On 02/04/2021 09:32, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:54:58 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

snip

He wants to force his views on everone in the UK by stopping them
eating foie gras and I think he has already forced his view on who can
eat veal. He should really let everone eat what they want. ;-(

But it's only a short step from there to 'getting' he really shouldn't
be forcing his view on any animal (human or other) and then he will be
saved. ;-)

It would have been nice if we could have done it today, being his
birthday (I don't *know* that it is but being April Fools day it could
well be and as he hasn't countered me I must be right (so I can add
that to my list now)). ;-)


I would never eat liver anyway ....

No, I never liked being forced to eat it as a child (my parents were
also indoctrinated like Fredxx) and I've never bought and cooked or
ordered / had it out either.

And when people see 'Oxtail' or 'tongue or 'cheek' as the main
ingredient of a food, do they ever think what that's talking about?

It's bad enough looking at any animal just as a range of 'cuts'.

Given most people explain the whole idea of 'being kind to animals'
and not even tormenting them, let alone killing them, at what age do
you think all children should visit a farm (arable, dairy, egg,
livestock) and, if they want to eat meat (or sausages, burgers, or
chicken nuggets even), what age should that be?

The age when meat should be part of their natural balanced diet of course.

You do ask some stupid questions.