It happens that Chris Green formulated :
I quite agree that paying efficiently by DD makes sense but that isn't
a reason for the extra 'layer' of paper pushers (or DD pushers)
between me and the actual producers of electricity.

I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

--
*WHY ARE HEMORRHOIDS CALLED "HEMORRHOIDS" INSTEAD OF "ASTEROIDS"?

Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

there is a very obvious need to separate production from
distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

Not for domestic water supplies, but you can switch for businesses, e.g.

https://aquaswitch.co.uk

On 26/03/2021 14:24, Andy Burns wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

there is a very obvious need to separate production from
distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

Not for domestic water supplies, but you can switch for businesses, e.g.

https://aquaswitch.co.uk



There is no way of interconnecting water supplies across the
country. Until that happens there cannot be a way for a 3rd
party to buy water from the cheapest source.

And water supply is only half the equation. removing and treating
'grey /foul + surface water' is the other half.

On 26/03/2021 16:05, Andrew wrote:
On 26/03/2021 14:24, Andy Burns wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

there is a very obvious need to separate production from
distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

Not for domestic water supplies, but you can switch for businesses, e.g.

https://aquaswitch.co.uk



There is no way of interconnecting water supplies across the
country. Until that happens there cannot be a way for a 3rd
party to buy water from the cheapest source.

And water supply is only half the equation. removing and treating
'grey /foul + surface water' is the other half.

The cost is more like 1/3 for the water and 2/3 for treating wastewater.
I had a water meter fitted to a garden tap because I was paying the
water company for something they weren't doing. The meter will pay for
itself in 2 - 3 years at current usage.

--

Jeff

On 26/03/2021 16:31, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/03/2021 16:05, Andrew wrote:
On 26/03/2021 14:24, Andy Burns wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

there is a very obvious need to separate production from
distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

Not for domestic water supplies, but you can switch for businesses, e.g.

https://aquaswitch.co.uk



There is no way of interconnecting water supplies across the
country. Until that happens there cannot be a way for a 3rd
party to buy water from the cheapest source.

And water supply is only half the equation. removing and treating
'grey /foul + surface water' is the other half.

The cost is more like 1/3 for the water and 2/3 for treating wastewater.
I had a water meter fitted to a garden tap because I was paying the
water company for something they weren't doing. The meter will pay for
itself in 2 - 3 years at current usage.


My annual Southern water bill was £330/year. Since being on a meter
I pay about £120/year (v little garden usage).

On 26/03/2021 16:40, Andrew wrote:
On 26/03/2021 16:31, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/03/2021 16:05, Andrew wrote:
On 26/03/2021 14:24, Andy Burns wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

there is a very obvious need to separate production from
distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

Not for domestic water supplies, but you can switch for businesses, e.g.

https://aquaswitch.co.uk



There is no way of interconnecting water supplies across the
country. Until that happens there cannot be a way for a 3rd
party to buy water from the cheapest source.

And water supply is only half the equation. removing and treating
'grey /foul + surface water' is the other half.

The cost is more like 1/3 for the water and 2/3 for treating wastewater.
I had a water meter fitted to a garden tap because I was paying the
water company for something they weren't doing. The meter will pay for
itself in 2 - 3 years at current usage.


My annual Southern water bill was £330/year. Since being on a meter
I pay about £120/year (v little garden usage).

Last year, due to long periods without rain, I used 35 m^3 on the
garden. That's around £70 worth of wastewater charge. What is annoying
is that Southern Water won't allow an adjustment online. I have to phone
them up and give them the meter reading. So far nobody has been round to
check it, but I assume they will one day.

--

Jeff

On 26/03/2021 14:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.



Wasn't the reason for privatising water a sudden realisation that very
little maintenance had been done on a 100 year old system and a massive
injection of cash was required. Much better for a regulator to try and
beat up a private company to sort out the problems rather than beat up
the UK tax payer.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.
--
bert

In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.

--
*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

In article , alan_m
writes
On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?
--
bert

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:07:41 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , alan_m
writes
On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?

I believe that the promise is that they will buy and upload to the
grid as much green electricity as their customers pay for. Those green
electrons may not be coming up your actual meter into your actual
house but they are being added to the grid and displace the use of
un-green electricity.

Nick

In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , alan_m
writes
On 29/03/2021 01:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier,
they
come round and connect me to a different supply.


That only happens if you change from dirty energy to green energy.

How do they do that?
You get whatever comes off the grid. They cannot direct the electrons
from a windmill to your home, or as electrons are negative, is it the
other way round?

Of course they can, that's why you pay extra.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I know you can, but would you expect to always go to the farm for your
milk, for your fruit and your veg? Would you go to the refinery for
your petrol and diesel? To the weaver for your clothes? To the printer
for your books? To the manufacturer for you car. There have always been
middlemen and always will be, because there is a very obvious need to
separate production from distribution and retailing.

But not with water, for some reason.

I would have thought the reason was obvious.

Of course. I'd forgotten when I change gas or electricity supplier, they
come round and connect me to a different supply.

Of course I have not forgotten, you are an idiot.
--
bert