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Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race?
I haven't, or I may have been dragged into the company Grand National sweepstake but I was never interested in watching it or the outcome. That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( Given the supporters of this cruelty can't actually go to the upcoming 'Cheltenham Festival' but will have to watch it on TV, what difference would it be (to them) if these were 'virtual' horses and races but (for the gamblers) have 'form' like the teams / players in any computer game like Football Manger? And let's face it, 'some people' will gamble on anything [1], irrespective of the outcome or cost to themselves, their families (and in this case, innocent creatures). https://www.animalaid.org.uk/186-rac...illed-in-2019/ http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/#c=3&j=&g=&sd=&ed=&p=1 Cheers, T i m [1] Again, never actively bet / gambled money on anything, 'it's a mugs game'. |
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T i m wrote
Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, the day I went for a job interview. Won both. Rain Lover. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs |
UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:54 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for almost TWO HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:54:06 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 04:54 already? Is the day dawning already in Australia, you lonely miserable senile pest and troll? -- Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:54:06 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, Why then and never since? Nothing to do with this I shouldn't think: https://tinyurl.com/wdf4p5a8 "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? I mean those who support it must know of the risks? Maybe they are only interested in the risks to their winnings, I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat .... reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs Ah, so you must be one of those who don't care about animal exploitation and unnecessary death if you consider anyone highlighting it with such terms? Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, And it won. Why then Cant remember. Likely it had some coverage in the media at that time. I used to watch the evening TV news at that time. and never since? I don't gamble at all, no betting, don't buy lottery tickets, don't gamble at casinos, not what the yanks call slot machines. I know what the odds are. Nothing to do with this I shouldn't think: True, nothing to do with that. https://tinyurl.com/wdf4p5a8 "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher - who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." Nope, never aware that had happened. Never watched any cup and didn't when Rain Lover won either. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. I always managed to get sunburnt at that. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. Maybe they are only interested in the risks to their winnings, Most don't even care much about that, like I said, its much more of a social occasion, like xmas. I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs Ah, so you must be one of those who don't care about animal exploitation and unnecessary death Depends. I do eat meat for every dinner, never bother with lunch of any kind and only have a massive great slab of my multigrain bread machine bread for breakfast. I have had a dog for great slabs of my life and some cats too. if you consider anyone highlighting it with such terms? Just you rabid fanatic hypocrite bigots who castrate animals and make them eat what isnt their natural food. |
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On 16/03/2021 14:05, T i m wrote:
That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( The meat isn't wasted - it just goes into beef pies or take-away curries. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:08:13 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Just you rabid fanatic hypocrite bigots who castrate animals and make them eat what isnt their natural food. Think of it positively, his sort is ALWAYS willing to feed the dumbest trolls around, even a sick asshole like you! -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:08:13 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, And it won. Why then Cant remember. Likely it had some coverage in the media at that time. So most likely 'marketing'. I used to watch the evening TV news at that time. and never since? I don't gamble at all, no betting, don't buy lottery tickets, don't gamble at casinos, not what the yanks call slot machines. Same here. I know what the odds are. Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Nothing to do with this I shouldn't think: True, nothing to do with that. https://tinyurl.com/wdf4p5a8 "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher - who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." Nope, never aware that had happened. Never watched any cup and didn't when Rain Lover won either. Ok. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. I don't think that's the whole story. I think they (in general) care about animal well being, it's just that they don't look into it, see what happens and think about that. I think they would care if they saw a horse suffering in a field near them, just that they have been indoctrinated to consider the injury and death of horses whilst being exploited in racing (for example) as 'collateral damage'. Maybe they are only interested in the risks to their winnings, Most don't even care much about that, like I said, its much more of a social occasion, like xmas. Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs Ah, so you must be one of those who don't care about animal exploitation and unnecessary death Depends. Ok. I do eat meat for every dinner, Ah, so you don't care then. Glad we have that settled (that at best you are a speciesist). never bother with lunch of any kind and only have a massive great slab of my multigrain bread machine bread for breakfast. Ok? I have had a dog for great slabs of my life and some cats too. OK. if you consider anyone highlighting it with such terms? Just you rabid fanatic hypocrite bigots And why do you think I'm that then? who castrate animals 1) I don't. 2) If it's done it's done (in the rescue we get the dogs from) under good surgical conditions, full anaesthetic and with additional painkillers and follow-up veterinary attention. 3) It is often done to prevent health issues in dogs in their later life. 4) It's often done with stray / rescue dogs as a measure to prevent any more animals being born and needing caring for and to moderate any aggressive behaviour in male dogs for their own benefit. Livestock on the other hand are often castrated to make them easier to handle ... especially on the way to killing them when still very young. and make them eat what isnt their natural food. We don't as it happens (teach you to belive everything the trolls lie about) but what *is* the 'natural food' of a *domestic* dog OOI? And I'm asking about the dogs that have lived with man for thousands of years, have lived off their scraps and evolved a digestive system different from their wolf ancestors, enabling them to digest starch? They are not obligate carnivores like cats, they are omnivores like us and therefore like us they can live long and healthy lives on a balanced vegan diet. An omnivore doesn't *have* to include any particular foodstuff in it's diet, it just means that it *can* eat (survive on) a range of different foods. Commercial dog foods often contain problems, likely to cause poisoning or cancer (often from contaminated meat content). https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinar...ls-withdrawals Cheers, T i m |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:29:01 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote: On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Anyone here with direct experience of this? As an old MRCVS, with a dread of dobbins :-) Horses don't do lying down well at all, muscle damage results in sort order = pain & organ failure = death They 'can' be treated but they need to be suspended in slings (don't so lying down - see) and then usually they can't feed normally (can't walk about - see) so now you've got two problems, oh and then pressure sores from the slings and now you have three problems, they are flighty beasts at the best of times and so now you (may) have four problems, not moving around is likely to give increased risk of colic, and now you have five problems - did I mention lying down ain't good for them - so consider a long orthopaedic operation and risk the of anaesthesia (they also have a habit of deciding to not breathe whilst 'under') and that was only problems 1a & 1b ... So on the grounds of humanity (& good welfare) euthanasia is usually the best option - for dobbin! Avpx (who is aware that things have moved on since he had to deal with such stuff but dobbin is still dobbin) p.s. I know none of the above is likely to change any 'minds' but hey ... -- Her attitude to music was purely ballistic - just point your voice at the end of the verse and go for it. (Maskerade) Wed 10060 Sep 10:35:01 GMT 1993 10:35:01 up 16:49, 10 users, load average: 4.92, 5.26, 5.26 |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:16:45 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 16/03/2021 14:05, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( The meat isn't wasted - it just goes into beef pies or take-away curries. Well, whilst that may be true, it's not really the point. ;-( We know livestock can and do suffer broken limbs, most would agree that isn't acceptable and therefore should be even less acceptable under the name of 'entertainment'. And ignoring the money involved in those forms of animal exploitation (racing) it tries to say it prides itself in how it treats the animals involved, whilst killing them in significant number in the process? This was highlighted by the recent coverage of the two jockeys being photographed whilst sitting on the bodes of horses that died whilst in the process of being trained / exercised and the fact (from someone high up in the horse racing *industry*) as being 'the last thing they need' as they are already finding it had to justify what they do. And even if a horse does make it though it's racing life span, it can then either look forward to being turned into pet food (after all, humans only like to eat baby animals) or sent to a rescue and hope they can fund the funding for it's food, care and veterinary treatment (that wouldn't be required if it hadn't been bred in the first place). Take the money out of horse / dog racing and I believe it would stop overnight. Cheers, T i m |
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On 17 Mar 2021 10:29:01 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote: On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( So here's something else that you clearly know nothing about: horses. This should be funny .... from the bridge dwelling, horse eating Goblin ... 1) Horses like to race; that's what they do in the wild. Bwhahaha .... yeah, what they do is get a pig on their backs and run and jump hurdles till they die or break a limb, you see it all the time on the nature programs! So the activity in itself is not an unnatural behaviour for Dobbin No, what you are getting confused with (in your desperate attempt to justify cruelty and exploitation of animals) is horses having a run about on their own (with noting on their backs), at their own speed, in their own time. although whether particular features of the sport are cruel (such as the whip, jumping, etc) I don't know. Of course you don't (which is *some* truth at least). 2) It takes a while to train a horse not to throw its saddle off or to aaccept a rider on its back. So, not a sign to you that doing so isn't *natural* for the horse? If a horse breaks its leg, then it would need a splint and plaster immediately. What, no 3 legged horses out there then? No time to get used to it and Dobbin, being in pain anyway, would simply lash around trying to get the plaster off its leg. More pain and more lashing out. Yup and especially *bad* if brought about in the name of (human) 'entertainment'. AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; See above. Again, are you saying that no injured horse has eve been 'fixed'? they don't make good patients. I'm sure they don't, as will many prey animals. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Of course. Please don't try to confuse me with you. I am already aware of all this and why I'm a vegan. Cost doesn't come into it. What, never? Anyone here with direct experience of this? Certainly not you, that's for sure. Cheers, T i m |
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The Nomad wrote:
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:29:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Anyone here with direct experience of this? As an old MRCVS, with a dread of dobbins :-) Horses don't do lying down well at all, muscle damage results in sort order = pain & organ failure = death They 'can' be treated but they need to be suspended in slings (don't so lying down - see) and then usually they can't feed normally (can't walk about - see) so now you've got two problems, oh and then pressure sores from the slings and now you have three problems, they are flighty beasts at the best of times and so now you (may) have four problems, not moving around is likely to give increased risk of colic, and now you have five problems - did I mention lying down ain't good for them - so consider a long orthopaedic operation and risk the of anaesthesia (they also have a habit of deciding to not breathe whilst 'under') and that was only problems 1a & 1b ... So on the grounds of humanity (& good welfare) euthanasia is usually the best option - for dobbin! Avpx (who is aware that things have moved on since he had to deal with such stuff but dobbin is still dobbin) p.s. I know none of the above is likely to change any 'minds' but hey ... This is covered in the canonical Far Side cartoon "Equine medicine". https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhMyigWW4AA00uk.jpg That's always stuck with me, when it comes to horses. Paul |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:50:05 GMT, The Nomad
wrote: snip interesting stuff So on the grounds of humanity (& good welfare) euthanasia is usually the best option - for dobbin! They seem to call it 'being destroyed' in the game. It's like the trend of calling slaughter houses, 'meat processing plants'. Avpx (who is aware that things have moved on since he had to deal with such stuff but dobbin is still dobbin) Quite. p.s. I know none of the above is likely to change any 'minds' but hey ... And that's the pity. It seems that if you either ... haven't thought about it, then do, then carry on doing the same things or just don't think any of it is 'a problem' ... then why would you? ;-( It's interesting to hear what some try to use as justification for exploiting and killing animals, little of it ever makes any sense, other than to them of course. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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On 17/03/2021 10:29, Tim Streater wrote:
On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( So here's something else that you clearly know nothing about: horses. 1) Horses like to race; that's what they do in the wild. So the activity in itself is not an unnatural behaviour for Dobbin although whether particular features of the sport are cruel (such as the whip, jumping, etc) I don't know. 2) It takes a while to train a horse not to throw its saddle off or to aaccept a rider on its back. If a horse breaks its leg, then it would need a splint and plaster immediately. No time to get used to it and Dobbin, being in pain anyway, would simply lash around trying to get the plaster off its leg. More pain and more lashing out. AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Anyone here with direct experience of this? I also doubt the financial nous of anyone who thinks it is a matter of what's 'cost effective' that leads to the euthanisation of horses with broken legs which, even if the injury meant they never raced again, would still be worth loads of money at stud. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:13:57 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote: I went to a meeting of the Arab Horse society at Sandown park once. Those horses get more good treatment than the wives on the owners it seems from what I witnessed. Well quite, including being ridden till they die of a heart attack or have to be 'destroyed' because of a broken limb probably. ;-( It's not all the 'good bits' that is the main issue, or the quantity of horses / greyhounds that die each year in the name of 'entertainment', it's just one of the things that needs to stop (and is stopping re dog racing to some degree). Of course we start first with what is the biggest problem (for them and us), 'live stock' because it causes the greatest quantity of problems for both parties (all animals, inc the human ones) and ironically, is the easiest one to fix by simply not supporting it (by not buying animal based products). We both went vegan last January, recently had our 'MOT' / checkup type blood tests (when I specifically asked for all the vegan / B12 tests) and they both came back 'normal'. Our only regret is we didn't do so sooner ... but we like many, needed our eyes opening to the truth of what actually goes on behind the scenes and a world that is becoming more aware that 'plant based' is the only way to go, making all that much easier. Cheers, T i m |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:30:44 +0000, Robin wrote:
snip I also doubt the financial nous of anyone who thinks it is a matter of what's 'cost effective' that leads to the euthanisation of horses with broken legs which, even if the injury meant they never raced again, would still be worth loads of money at stud. But what percentage of all the potentially viable but injured 'stud' horses ever get that far, compare with the ex winners that managed to survive intact? And what percentage of those injured whilst racing that end up being 'destroyed' are geldings or (spayed) mares in any case? Whatever the answer, I'm sure humanity, especially in 2021 can do without all of it. Cheers, T i m |
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On 17/03/2021 08:08, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 04:54:06 +1100, "Rod Speed" wrote: T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, Why then and never since? Nothing to do with this I shouldn't think: https://tinyurl.com/wdf4p5a8 "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." Oh, Cliffsofmoher is the *horse*! Reminds me of a cartoon showing a groom running up to a woman: "It's all right; the horse is OK; unfortunately we had to shoot your husband!" -- Max Demian |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:51:28 +0000, Max Demian
wrote: snip "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." Oh, Cliffsofmoher is the *horse*! They were indeed. Reminds me of a cartoon showing a groom running up to a woman: "It's all right; the horse is OK; unfortunately we had to shoot your husband!" And that would be funny (as funny goes) because unless the (presumed husband) jockey was coerced or someway mentally deficient / forced to ride the horse, it would have been his *choice* to do so. The horse would have had no such choice of course and further would have had to be 'broken' [1] to have made it possible in the first place. Cheers, T i m [1] Or whatever term they may have for it these days that tries to hide the truth of that process. |
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On 17/03/2021 10:44, T i m wrote:
snip I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. Only in a fanatical vegans mind. Some of us care about animal welfare and support bans of certain types of slaughter. You don't and are happy for no change. I do eat meat for every dinner, Ah, so you don't care then. Glad we have that settled (that at best you are a speciesist). You eat plants, that makes you a speciesist too. never bother with lunch of any kind and only have a massive great slab of my multigrain bread machine bread for breakfast. Ok? I have had a dog for great slabs of my life and some cats too. OK. if you consider anyone highlighting it with such terms? Just you rabid fanatic hypocrite bigots And why do you think I'm that then? who castrate animals 1) I don't. 2) If it's done it's done (in the rescue we get the dogs from) under good surgical conditions, full anaesthetic and with additional painkillers and follow-up veterinary attention. It's done for people like you. I eat meat, the slaughter is done for me, so that would make it ok in your eyes too. If those conditions are good for your dog, then why not support similar practices for the slaughter of animals? |
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On 17/03/2021 11:37, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:13:57 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" wrote: I went to a meeting of the Arab Horse society at Sandown park once. Those horses get more good treatment than the wives on the owners it seems from what I witnessed. Well quite, including being ridden till they die of a heart attack Would this be the poor wife? |
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On 17/03/2021 10:29, Tim Streater wrote:
AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Well I wonder what the multi million pound horse hospital down the road does then.... Perhaps its secretly a dogmeat factory http://www.newmarketequinehospital.com/ -- "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy |
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On 17/03/2021 11:30, Robin wrote:
On 17/03/2021 10:29, Tim Streater wrote: On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, 'destroyed' ... as it wasn't 'cost effective' to spend any money on making them healthy again), risks to the innocent animals just because people like to treat them like a commodity or money making scheme? ;-( So here's something else that you clearly know nothing about: horses. 1) Horses like to race; that's what they do in the wild. So the activity in itself is not an unnatural behaviour for Dobbin although whether particular features of the sport are cruel (such as the whip, jumping, etc) I don't know. 2) It takes a while to train a horse not to throw its saddle off or to aaccept a rider on its back. If a horse breaks its leg, then it would need a splint and plaster immediately. No time to get used to it and Dobbin, being in pain anyway, would simply lash around trying to get the plaster off its leg. More pain and more lashing out. AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Anyone here with direct experience of this? I also doubt the financial nous of anyone who thinks it is a matter of what's 'cost effective' that leads to the euthanisation of horses with broken legs which, even if the injury meant they never raced again, would still be worth loads of money at stud. Especially if they are geldings I am sure people who own and breed and race horses know what they are worth... ...more than you do -- It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought. Sir Roger Scruton |
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On 17 Mar 2021 17:09:42 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote: On 17 Mar 2021 at 16:01:17 GMT, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 17/03/2021 10:29, Tim Streater wrote: AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Well I wonder what the multi million pound horse hospital down the road does then.... Perhaps its secretly a dogmeat factory http://www.newmarketequinehospital.com/ You mean the joint just outside Newmarket? I always assumed it was doing research into equine diseases etc BICBW. So, the Squeaker Goblin said to me earlier: "So here's something else that you clearly know nothing about: horses." [1] Turns out he has faceplanted *again*!. Mind you, no doubt when you have done it as often as he has with me, he probably doesn't feel the pain and it certainly can't hurt his looks (and both might explain why he keeps doing it!). ;-) Cheers, T i m [1] Strangely though, I never claimed to know a lot about horses. However, I know enough to be 100% sure they are yet another animal we artificially breed, exploit and kill (both for their meat and because they no longer serve our purposes (those include 'for our entertainment')). |
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On 17/03/2021 17:52, T i m wrote:
snip However, I know enough to be 100% sure they are yet another animal we artificially breed, exploit and kill (both for their meat and because they no longer serve our purposes (those include 'for our entertainment')). A bit like dogs then, how many do you have? |
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T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, And it won. Why then Cant remember. Likely it had some coverage in the media at that time. So most likely 'marketing'. Nope, we don't get that with the cup. There is lots of speculation about which will win and run races in the weeks before it like the Caulfield Cup that provide some stats on which horses are doing well etc. And lots of speculation about foreign entrys which have flown in to compete in the cup. It's a major event here. It always has been with some famous winners like Phar Lap. I used to watch the evening TV news at that time. and never since? I don't gamble at all, no betting, don't buy lottery tickets, don't gamble at casinos, not what the yanks call slot machines. Same here. I know what the odds are. Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Yeah, its one way of raising money for a good cause. My grandmother used to routinely send lottery tickets for birthdays when we were kids. Presumably because it was easy to do and required no thought. She always lived a thousand miles or more away, where I was born. Nothing to do with this I shouldn't think: True, nothing to do with that. https://tinyurl.com/wdf4p5a8 "Two years ago the Cup was rocked by the death of Cliffsofmoher - who was euthanised in front of the grandstand crowd after the horse broke its shoulder." Nope, never aware that had happened. Never watched any cup and didn't when Rain Lover won either. Ok. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. Not really, its much more of a social event, particularly for the toffs. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). We never had any of those and quite a few were poms. All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) Its almost universal here with work places. Not necessarily an all day barby tho. I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. Yeah and works much better for xmas day too. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. That's overstated, the horse owner obviously does. I don't think that's the whole story. I think they (in general) care about animal well being, it's just that they don't look into it, see what happens and think about that. I think they would care if they saw a horse suffering in a field near them, just that they have been indoctrinated to consider the injury and death of horses whilst being exploited in racing (for example) as 'collateral damage'. Maybe they are only interested in the risks to their winnings, Most don't even care much about that, like I said, its much more of a social occasion, like xmas. Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? Horse racing has always involved gambling. At one time it was one of the few ways to gamble legally here. I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. They have enough of a clue to realise that if they didn't eat meat the animal would never have had any life at all. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs |
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:03:08 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
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OT: Have you never ever ...
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:03:08 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, And it won. Why then Cant remember. Likely it had some coverage in the media at that time. So most likely 'marketing'. Nope, we don't get that with the cup. Erm, 'coverage in the media' *is* (psychological / subliminal) marketing, even if it's unofficial. There is lots of speculation about which will win and run races in the weeks before it like the Caulfield Cup that provide some stats on which horses are doing well etc. And lots of speculation about foreign entrys which have flown in to compete in the cup. It's a major event here. Sounds like it. It always has been with some famous winners like Phar Lap. Never heard of them. snip for the lazy biased troll Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Yeah, its one way of raising money for a good cause. Many people like the idea of getting something back so no so altruistic as a straight donation. My grandmother used to routinely send lottery tickets for birthdays when we were kids. Presumably because it was easy to do and required no thought. Well, it required both thought and effort, certainly compared with doing nothing. She always lived a thousand miles or more away, where I was born. That could be your next door neighbour in that godforsaken wilderness? snip I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. Not really, its much more of a social event, particularly for the toffs. 'Toff's, who are typically motivated by money. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). We never had any of those and quite a few were poms. Not exploiting and killing animals isn't unique to 'Poms'. https://www.veganaustralia.org.au/faq And there are nearly as many in criminal land as he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) Its almost universal here with work places. Not necessarily an all day barby tho. Well, I think many Co's here also have some sort of dress down days towards the last work day and an Xmyth party sometime before (when they can get a booking). I rarely got involved in either as I was often in the IT department and that was a busy time for me / us, saving me having to having to be honest why I didn't want to spend any of my social time with them (you choose your friends, you don't generally choose your workmates / family). I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. Yeah and works much better for xmas day too. I guess that depends of what people do 'traditionally' on that day. Like here it's generally indoors eating and drinking, with the possibility to walk of the consumption of excess animal flesh (that rots in our guts). I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. That's overstated, the horse owner obviously does. True, even if only as an income stream / investment. snip Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? Horse racing has always involved gambling. Take two human beings and they will often be competitive. If they are on their feet they will race each other, or bicycles or horses and there is often a wager involved ('to make it interesting'). At one time it was one of the few ways to gamble legally here. Interesting. I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. They have enough of a clue to realise that if they didn't eat meat the animal would never have had any life at all. Interesting POV. So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs Ah, it makes you uncomfortable does it, well that's something at least (as it should), especially when you make statements that are lies. Here are the FACTS again, in case you grow the balls to actually reply / acknowledge it: Cheers, T i m Ah, so you must be one of those who don't care about animal exploitation and unnecessary death Depends. Ok. I do eat meat for every dinner, Ah, so you don't care then. Glad we have that settled (that at best you are a speciesist). never bother with lunch of any kind and only have a massive great slab of my multigrain bread machine bread for breakfast. Ok? I have had a dog for great slabs of my life and some cats too. OK. if you consider anyone highlighting it with such terms? Just you rabid fanatic hypocrite bigots And why do you think I'm that then? who castrate animals 1) I don't. 2) If it's done it's done (in the rescue we get the dogs from) under good surgical conditions, full anaesthetic and with additional painkillers and follow-up veterinary attention. 3) It is often done to prevent health issues in dogs in their later life. 4) It's often done with stray / rescue dogs as a measure to prevent any more animals being born and needing caring for and to moderate any aggressive behaviour in male dogs for their own benefit. Livestock on the other hand are often castrated to make them easier to handle ... especially on the way to killing them when still very young. and make them eat what isnt their natural food. We don't as it happens (teach you to belive everything the trolls lie about) but what *is* the 'natural food' of a *domestic* dog OOI? And I'm asking about the dogs that have lived with man for thousands of years, have lived off their scraps and evolved a digestive system different from their wolf ancestors, enabling them to digest starch? They are not obligate carnivores like cats, they are omnivores like us and therefore like us they can live long and healthy lives on a balanced vegan diet. An omnivore doesn't *have* to include any particular foodstuff in it's diet, it just means that it *can* eat (survive on) a range of different foods. Commercial dog foods often contain problems, likely to cause poisoning or cancer (often from contaminated meat content). https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinar...ls-withdrawals |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:01:09 +0000, T i m wrote:
Erm, 'coverage in the media' *is* (psychological / subliminal) marketing, even if it's unofficial. T i m neatly summarises the way he uses (psychological / subliminal) marketing to try and influence others. Not nice really. 'Toff's, who are typically motivated by money. T i m neatly summarises his envy of others. Not nice really walk of the consumption of excess animal flesh (that rots in our guts). T i m forgets that his chosen diet 'rots in our guts' too. How strange. So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? T i m seems unaware that most people have something or someone they are 'conscious of, value and protect' and love. his may be a pet, a spouse or a family member. There can be few who would not rather that such an element be in their life and be deeply saddened when it is lost rather than to have not had it at all and so lost nothing. I find this lack of awareness and understanding very strange for someone who professes a care for living things. It comes across as sociopathy/pschopathy. |
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T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Rod Speed wrote T i m wrote Bet on or been to a horse or greyhound race? Just the once, bet on the Melbourne Cup, not the office sweep, And it won. Why then Cant remember. Likely it had some coverage in the media at that time. So most likely 'marketing'. Nope, we don't get that with the cup. Erm, 'coverage in the media' *is* (psychological / subliminal) marketing, even if it's unofficial. Nope, not with the cup. There is no point in marketing your horse or even the cup itself. **** all who have an interest in the cup even bother to show up in person. They all watch it on TV and don't even take any interest in the other races on that day at that track. There is lots of speculation about which will win and run races in the weeks before it like the Caulfield Cup that provide some stats on which horses are doing well etc. And lots of speculation about foreign entrys which have flown in to compete in the cup. It's a major event here. Sounds like it. Yeah, full public holiday on the day in Victoria where it happens. It always has been with some famous winners like Phar Lap. Never heard of them. Yeah, its very much a national thing with all except the arabs who do get involve with their horses and its only the stinking rich arabs that take any interest in it. Lots of interest in New Zealand to. They don't have anything like it. Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Yeah, its one way of raising money for a good cause. Many people like the idea of getting something back so no so altruistic as a straight donation. Lots gamble on the lotto and various other gambling here, particularly poker machines in pubs and clubs etc Those do fund the very decent footy clubs that most use and those do fund local footy and stuff like that. My grandmother used to routinely send lottery tickets for birthdays when we were kids. Presumably because it was easy to do and required no thought. Well, it required both thought and effort, Only the first time with thought. certainly compared with doing nothing. That was never an option with grandkids. She always lived a thousand miles or more away, where I was born. That could be your next door neighbour in that godforsaken wilderness? The vast bulk of us live in a belt along the coast from townsville thru to adelaide with another clump around perth. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. Not really, its much more of a social event, particularly for the toffs. 'Toff's, who are typically motivated by money. But not from horse racing. That's where they spend their money. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). We never had any of those and quite a few were poms. reams of rabid ranting flushed All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) Its almost universal here with work places. Not necessarily an all day barby tho. About the only ones that don't are Joveys. Well, I think many Co's here also have some sort of dress down days towards the last work day and an Xmyth party sometime before (when they can get a booking). I rarely got involved in either as I was often in the IT department and that was a busy time for me / us, saving me having to having to be honest why I didn't want to spend any of my social time with them (you choose your friends, you don't generally choose your workmates / family). I chose my friends from my workmates and non workmates. I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. Yeah and works much better for xmas day too. I guess that depends of what people do 'traditionally' on that day. Almost all of us have a full xmas dinner, usually at mid day. Like here it's generally indoors eating and drinking, Unsurprising given that its mid winter. with the possibility to walk of the consumption of excess animal flesh (that rots in our guts). You don't see many walk it off here. And plants rot in your guts. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. That's overstated, the horse owner obviously does. True, even if only as an income stream / investment. Horse racing is never an income stream/investment for the owner. It's a bottomless pit for your money. Its only an income stream for the trainers and jockeys and vets etc. Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? Horse racing has always involved gambling. Take two human beings and they will often be competitive. Yep, we have human racing too and have for millennia. If they are on their feet they will race each other, or bicycles or horses and there is often a wager involved ('to make it interesting'). At one time it was one of the few ways to gamble legally here. Interesting. With lots of illegal gambling on horses too. We even had one state premier, the equivalent of a prime minister for a state who had been one of those illegal bookies. I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. They have enough of a clue to realise that if they didn't eat meat the animal would never have had any life at all. Interesting POV. So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? For animals that get eaten, yep. And plants that get eaten too. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On 17/03/2021 11:10, Paul wrote:
The Nomad wrote: On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:29:01 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: On 16 Mar 2021 at 14:05:46 GMT, T i m wrote: That's not completely true, I always hoped it ended up without any horse fatalities or injuries (typically leading to their slaughter, AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Anyone here with direct experience of this? As an old MRCVS, with a dread of dobbins :-) Horses don't do lying down well at all, muscle damage results in sort order = pain & organ failure = death They 'can' be treated but they need to be suspended in slings (don't so lying down - see) and then usually they can't feed normally (can't walk about - see) so now you've got two problems, oh and then pressure sores from the slings and now you have three problems, they are flighty beasts at the best of times and so now you (may) have four problems, not moving around is likely to give increased risk of colic, and now you have five problems - did I mention lying down ain't good for them - so consider a long orthopaedic operation and risk the of anaesthesia (they also have a habit of deciding to not breathe whilst 'under') and that was only problems 1a & 1b ... So on the grounds of humanity (& good welfare) euthanasia is usually the best option - for dobbin! Avpx (who is aware that things have moved on since he had to deal with such stuff but dobbin is still dobbin) p.s. I know none of the above is likely to change any 'minds' but hey ... This is covered in the canonical Far Side cartoon "Equine medicine". https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhMyigWW4AA00uk.jpg That's always stuck with me, when it comes to horses. Β*Β* Paul See also the Far Side "Horse Hospitals", available on google images. As the others have said, horses make bad patients, particularly young and very fit thoroughbreds. I've had a few put to sleep, more for chronic than acute conditions. |
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On 17/03/2021 16:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2021 10:29, Tim Streater wrote: AFAIK, once a horse is injured there's not much you can do about it; they don't make good patients. Trting to could be considered more cruel than euthanising it. Cost doesn't come into it. Well I wonder what the multi million pound horse hospital down the road does then.... Perhaps its secretly a dogmeat factory http://www.newmarketequinehospital.com/ It won't treat a lot of broken legs. Some leg injuries can be treated, but there are an awful lot of other things that can go wrong. Colic is one, sometimes caused by a twisted gut. Bad cases need surgery at ~Β£5k with not much better than a 50:50 chance of survival. |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 04:07:42 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Sqwertz to Rodent Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 04:07:42 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: snip Erm, 'coverage in the media' *is* (psychological / subliminal) marketing, even if it's unofficial. Nope, not with the cup. There is no point in marketing your horse or even the cup itself. Why not, do they not want to attract punters? **** all who have an interest in the cup even bother to show up in person. No, but those who have an interest in the 'event' (that you highlighted directly) would. Food / drink sales especially. They all watch it on TV and don't even take any interest in the other races on that day at that track. See above. There is lots of speculation about which will win and run races in the weeks before it like the Caulfield Cup that provide some stats on which horses are doing well etc. And lots of speculation about foreign entrys which have flown in to compete in the cup. It's a major event here. Sounds like it. Yeah, full public holiday on the day in Victoria where it happens. Ok. It always has been with some famous winners like Phar Lap. Never heard of them. Yeah, its very much a national thing with all except the arabs who do get involve with their horses and its only the stinking rich arabs that take any interest in it. I saw something re horses that were flown in and were nearly accompanied 1:1 by their carers. Lots of interest in New Zealand to. They don't have anything like it. Strange. You would have thought that anything that 'interesting' would have appeared everywhere it was feasible by now. Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Yeah, its one way of raising money for a good cause. Many people like the idea of getting something back so no so altruistic as a straight donation. Lots gamble on the lotto Sad when you see people who are actually risking their rent / food money in the hope 'a win' will get them out of trouble. and various other gambling here, particularly poker machines in pubs and clubs etc Those do fund the very decent footy clubs that most use and those do fund local footy and stuff like that. I think they have clamped down a bit on easy access / casual gaming here by lowering the maximum stakes allowed etc. My grandmother used to routinely send lottery tickets for birthdays when we were kids. Presumably because it was easy to do and required no thought. Well, it required both thought and effort, Only the first time with thought. Indeed and depending on her memory. ;-) certainly compared with doing nothing. That was never an option with grandkids. Ah, that or prison over there then?? She always lived a thousand miles or more away, where I was born. That could be your next door neighbour in that godforsaken wilderness? The vast bulk of us live in a belt along the coast from townsville thru to adelaide with another clump around perth. I know. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. Not really, its much more of a social event, particularly for the toffs. 'Toff's, who are typically motivated by money. But not from horse racing. Well, I bet they are likely to put some sizeable bets on (because they can, even if they aren't that interested in the form / horses etc). That's where they spend their money. Sure, consuming the expensive food / drink and taking best seats / boxes etc. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). We never had any of those and quite a few were poms. reams of rabid ranting flushed All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) Its almost universal here with work places. Not necessarily an all day barby tho. About the only ones that don't are Joveys. Well, I think many Co's here also have some sort of dress down days towards the last work day and an Xmyth party sometime before (when they can get a booking). I rarely got involved in either as I was often in the IT department and that was a busy time for me / us, saving me having to having to be honest why I didn't want to spend any of my social time with them (you choose your friends, you don't generally choose your workmates / family). I chose my friends from my workmates and non workmates. I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. Yeah and works much better for xmas day too. I guess that depends of what people do 'traditionally' on that day. Almost all of us have a full xmas dinner, usually at mid day. Like here it's generally indoors eating and drinking, Unsurprising given that its mid winter. with the possibility to walk of the consumption of excess animal flesh (that rots in our guts). You don't see many walk it off here. And plants rot in your guts. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. That's overstated, the horse owner obviously does. True, even if only as an income stream / investment. Horse racing is never an income stream/investment for the owner. Never? It's a bottomless pit for your money. Breed, race, win, take prize pots ($20M, Saudi Cup), horse sale / stud? Its only an income stream for the trainers and jockeys and vets etc. Well yes, it's a job for them but no more an income stream for the owner of a winning horse. Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? Horse racing has always involved gambling. Take two human beings and they will often be competitive. Yep, we have human racing too and have for millennia. And not just racing of course. Beating previous limits / records etc. If they are on their feet they will race each other, or bicycles or horses and there is often a wager involved ('to make it interesting'). At one time it was one of the few ways to gamble legally here. Interesting. With lots of illegal gambling on horses too. We even had one state premier, the equivalent of a prime minister for a state who had been one of those illegal bookies. Nice. Do as I say ... I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. They have enough of a clue to realise that if they didn't eat meat the animal would never have had any life at all. Interesting POV. So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? For animals that get eaten, yep. I bet they wouldn't agree with you, especially when their lives are taken from them when very young. And looking at any video footage of any livestock slaughter process, that would confirm my POV. And plants that get eaten too. Except plants aren't sentient. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs Shame ... still not grown a pair then I see. Cheers, T i m |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:37:59 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:
snip troll bs. My bet is that 'Bev' it ****headxx or Spuke? So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? T i m seems unaware that most people have something or someone they are 'conscious of, value and protect' and love. Aww, look, the stupid left brained troll is trying to roll out a strawman to try to prove black is white (or is really just very stupid). his may be a pet, a spouse or a family member. There can be few who would not rather that such an element be in their life and be deeply saddened when it is lost rather than to have not had it at all and so lost nothing. We aren't talking of the 'loss' to a third party, we are talking of the loss of an animals life to itself. These trolls will really say anything stupid, just to get attention won't they. ;-( Fact, you can't *miss* what you have never had. No life, no life lost, nothing to miss. You can mourn or regret the fact that you never had something, but you can't miss it. My wife miscarried our first child. We can morn the loss, we can't miss 'a child' we never had. I find this lack of awareness and understanding Bwhahaha ... you think your faceplant shows any level of *understanding* at any level!!! Aw bless. very strange for someone who professes a care for living things. I guess you will demonstrate you care for living things by raping and then killing them (when they are very young), simply because you like how their flesh and excretions taste, even though you have a myriad of alternatives. It comes across as sociopathy/pschopathy. Yes, you certainly do, nymshifting troll (and being very desperate / stupid). Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote Erm, 'coverage in the media' *is* (psychological / subliminal) marketing, even if it's unofficial. Nope, not with the cup. There is no point in marketing your horse or even the cup itself. Why not, The owner gets no benefit if someone bets on their horse. do they not want to attract punters? No need to do that, almost everyone participates in the office sweep unless they have moral or religious objections to gambling. Some wowsers don't and moslems arent allowed to but often do. **** all who have an interest in the cup even bother to show up in person. No, but those who have an interest in the 'event' (that you highlighted directly) would. Food / drink sales especially. Nope, that's much more readily available well away from the cup itself. All the big sporting clubs and most pubs have big events on cup day. Most of the bigger employers to too. They all watch it on TV and don't even take any interest in the other races on that day at that track. See above. See above. There is lots of speculation about which will win and run races in the weeks before it like the Caulfield Cup that provide some stats on which horses are doing well etc. And lots of speculation about foreign entrys which have flown in to compete in the cup. It's a major event here. Sounds like it. Yeah, full public holiday on the day in Victoria where it happens. Ok. It always has been with some famous winners like Phar Lap. Never heard of them. Yeah, its very much a national thing with all except the arabs who do get involved with their horses and its only the stinking rich arabs that take any interest in it. I saw something re horses that were flown in Yeah, hell of a lot of that. Even using the ****ing great Antonov AN-225 at times. and were nearly accompanied 1:1 by their carers. Lot more humans than horses in fact. Lots of interest in New Zealand to. They don't have anything like it. Strange. You would have thought that anything that 'interesting' would have appeared everywhere it was feasible by now. We don't even have anything like that in the other states. They do have their own major race of the year but they never get the same national or international attention. We do get a lot of NZ horses competing, but that's all. Quite. I guess things like the lotteries where the money goes to good causes and assuming you enter on the understanding that's all you care about ... are a good_thing. Yeah, its one way of raising money for a good cause. Many people like the idea of getting something back so no so altruistic as a straight donation. Lots gamble on the lotto Sad when you see people who are actually risking their rent / food money in the hope 'a win' will get them out of trouble. Few do in fact risk their rent/food money and for most its to radically improve their circumstances rather than get them out of trouble. We obviously do have our problem gamblers but most of those steal from their employer and get caught. and various other gambling here, particularly poker machines in pubs and clubs etc Those do fund the very decent footy clubs that most use and those do fund local footy and stuff like that. I think they have clamped down a bit on easy access / casual gaming here by lowering the maximum stakes allowed etc. There are no maximum stakes with poker machines. My grandmother used to routinely send lottery tickets for birthdays when we were kids. Presumably because it was easy to do and required no thought. Well, it required both thought and effort, Only the first time with thought. Indeed and depending on her memory. ;-) It was never a problem right up to her death. certainly compared with doing nothing. That was never an option with grandkids. Ah, that or prison over there then?? Nope, only you lot were ever that stupid. She always lived a thousand miles or more away, where I was born. That could be your next door neighbour in that godforsaken wilderness? The vast bulk of us live in a belt along the coast from townsville thru to adelaide with another clump around perth. I know. I wonder if that was part of the entertainment for some, like in the Roman arena days? Nope, its much more of a social event. Focused around 'money'. Not really, its much more of a social event, particularly for the toffs. 'Toff's, who are typically motivated by money. But not from horse racing. Well, I bet they are likely to put some sizeable bets on (because they can, even if they aren't that interested in the form / horses etc). Few of them do. Some like Kerry Packer did but that was very unusual and he was notorious for it. That's where they spend their money. Sure, consuming the expensive food / drink and taking best seats / boxes etc. And fancy one time clothes and hats for their women. At work too, there was always a ****up lunch organised by the social club on cup day. Strange (when seen from the POV of those who don't support animal exploitation etc). We never had any of those and quite a few were poms. reams of rabid ranting flushed All day barby in the runnup to xmas too. Again, 'strange' (the Xmyth thing). ;-) Its almost universal here with work places. Not necessarily an all day barby tho. About the only ones that don't are Joveys. And Moslems. And Jews, they have their own. Well, I think many Co's here also have some sort of dress down days towards the last work day and an Xmyth party sometime before (when they can get a booking). I rarely got involved in either as I was often in the IT department and that was a busy time for me / us, saving me having to having to be honest why I didn't want to spend any of my social time with them (you choose your friends, you don't generally choose your workmates / family). I chose my friends from my workmates and non workmates. I always managed to get sunburnt at that. Actually, giving your kids a cycle or skates (for xmyth) when it's summer make much more sense. Yeah and works much better for xmas day too. I guess that depends of what people do 'traditionally' on that day. Almost all of us have a full xmas dinner, usually at mid day. Like here it's generally indoors eating and drinking, Unsurprising given that its mid winter. with the possibility to walk of the consumption of excess animal flesh (that rots in our guts). You don't see many walk it off here. And plants rot in your guts. I mean those who support it must know of the risks? I doubt any of them care. That's overstated, the horse owner obviously does. True, even if only as an income stream / investment. Horse racing is never an income stream/investment for the owner. Never? Cant think of any that have done that. Even with that other horse operation, polo. It's a bottomless pit for your money. Breed, race, win, take prize pots ($20M, Saudi Cup), That never comes close to paying the costs. horse sale / stud? Ditto given the duds that are inevitable. Quite a lot of them are geldings for a reason, including Phar Lap. Its only an income stream for the trainers and jockeys and vets etc. Well yes, it's a job for them but no more an income stream for the owner of a winning horse. I cant think of a single owner that its an income stream for. Well, for those that are their mainly for the social stuff yes. But were it not for the gambling / money, do you think they would still run it? Horse racing has always involved gambling. Take two human beings and they will often be competitive. Yep, we have human racing too and have for millennia. And not just racing of course. Beating previous limits / records etc. If they are on their feet they will race each other, or bicycles or horses and there is often a wager involved ('to make it interesting'). At one time it was one of the few ways to gamble legally here. Interesting. With lots of illegal gambling on horses too. We even had one state premier, the equivalent of a prime minister for a state who had been one of those illegal bookies. Nice. Do as I say ... He never said you shouldn't do it. I mean, they are only animals after all and they probably all enjoy their meat Very few here eat horse meat. I didn't mean horse meat, I mean 'meat'. I meant if they ate meat they *obviously* don't *actually* care about animal welfare. They have enough of a clue to realise that if they didn't eat meat the animal would never have had any life at all. Interesting POV. So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? For animals that get eaten, yep. I bet they wouldn't agree with you, They don't get to say if they are never born. reams of your rabid **** flushed where it belongs |
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:35:57 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
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OT: Have you never ever ...
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:41:16 +0000, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:37:59 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote: snip troll bs. My bet is that 'Bev' it ****headxx or Spuke? So, in your world, it's better to lose (have taken away) something you are conscious of, value and protect ... than to have never existed at all and therefore lost nothing? T i m seems unaware that most people have something or someone they are 'conscious of, value and protect' and love. Aww, look, the stupid left brained troll is trying to roll out a strawman to try to prove black is white (or is really just very stupid). Read on T i m and for once use the half a brain you claim to have his may be a pet, a spouse or a family member. There can be few who would not rather that such an element be in their life and be deeply saddened when it is lost rather than to have not had it at all and so lost nothing. We aren't talking of the 'loss' to a third party, we are talking of the loss of an animals life to itself. Ah, so once the animal is dead it mourns the loss of its life eh? I'm interested to learn how that works - no doubt your half a brain will be able to tell us. These trolls will really say anything stupid, just to get attention won't they. ;-( Oh T i m the irony of your comment. I find this lack of awareness and understanding Bwhahaha ... you think your faceplant shows any level of *understanding* at any level!!! Aw bless. Hmm - so you think that pointing out that many people have something or someone they are conscious of, value and protect is 'faceplanting'? I think you need to get treatment for your condition if you cannot understand that statement. very strange for someone who professes a care for living things. I guess you will demonstrate you care for living things by raping and then killing them (when they are very young), simply because you like how their flesh and excretions taste, even though you have a myriad of alternatives. You seem to have a strange obsession about sex with and killing 'very young' animals. Get help as soon as you possibly can; you are now displaying a number of very worrying symptoms that may require medical intervention before you go too far. I am so concerned about you that it is clearly very dangerous to you to continue this discussion any further. T i m : Please go seek medical help and point them in the direction of this Group and your various obsessions and lack of awareness. It is probably not too late for you to receive treatment. Goodbye and Good luck. |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:22:13 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:41:16 +0000, T i m wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:37:59 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote: snip troll **** So which is it nymshifter, ****headxx, Spuke or are you just another nymshifting coward troll hiding behind a false name and 'invalid' email address? To put that in context for you, Tim is my real name and the address used here *is* valid. *My* message is the same as the message from every expert on human health, world resources and animal welfare and that's that we should all move to a more plant based diet. The vegan message is that we don't cause any unnecessary suffering, exploitation or death to innocent and sentient animals when / where there is an alternative and that's all I'm advocating. Now, if you don't care about the wellbeing of animals (because you are happy to cause them suffering, exploitation and death, for *only* your personal pleasure), then I'm pretty sure you are the one who needs help. Cheers, T i m |
OT: Have you never ever ...
On 19/03/2021 12:39, T i m wrote:
*My* message is the same as the message from every expert on human health, world resources and animal welfare and that's that we should all move to a more plant based diet. The vegan message is that we don't cause any unnecessary suffering, exploitation or death to innocent and sentient animals when / where there is an alternative and that's all I'm advocating. So, nothing about a balanced diet, then? -- Spike |
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