I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Has anyone else seen this ?. What did you do ?.

I chose the free upgrade option from Win 7/32 Pro about a year ago.

Andrew

On 12/03/2021 12:10, Andrew wrote:
I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Has anyone else seen this ?. What did you do ?.

I chose the free upgrade option from Win 7/32 Pro about a year ago.

Andrew
must be version 2004....

Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

On 12/03/2021 12:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Win 10 32/Pro 4G ram, one 500G WD drive partitioned into
C, D, E and F.

Andrew

Andrew wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Old wives tales, I suspect ...

Under Settings/Updates, can you see if it's been holding off the 20H2
update, or trying and failing it, or is it just waiting for you to be
brave and tell it to do it?

There are some batch files floating around e.g. the sevenforums that
will nuke windows update and usually get failed updates going again.

If that's not the case, then download an ISO or USB stick with the media
creation tool, and do an install over the top of 20H1, will keep your
existing settings.

backups are good first.

On 12/03/2021 12:47, Andrew wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Win 10 32/Pro 4G ram, one 500G WD drive partitioned into
C, D, E and F.


I would suggest downloading the latest version and installing it on a
USB stick. You could then boot the PC from the USB stick and make sure
that all the hardware is useable.

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On 12/03/2021 12:47, Andrew wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Win 10 32/Pro 4G ram, one 500G WD drive partitioned into
C, D, E and F.

Andrew




4G Ram is okay, and a slow CPU is probably okay. It might be a really
good idea to put in an SSD.

I have an old Dell Vostro with a 2GHz C2D CPU (coming up for 15 years
old now!), and the SSD makes it usable. However, I have now moved over
to an i7 with lots of RAM, and it's an awful lot better. I don't know
what your CPU is, but there comes a time when an upgrade saves an awful
lot of hassle if you can afford it.

Of course, there's the pride in continuing to use old hardware, thus
spiting the big corporations that want you to upgrade, but eventually
you have to kowtow to them, I'm afraid.

Michael Chare wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:47, Andrew wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Win 10 32/Pro 4G ram, one 500G WD drive partitioned into
C, D, E and F.


I would suggest downloading the latest version and installing it on a
USB stick. You could then boot the PC from the USB stick and make sure
that all the hardware is useable.


You can do an upgrade over top, by:

1) Asking Google for a download link.
2) Get the MediaCreationTool and make your media.
3) Insert media to running Windows 10 system.
Run "Setup.exe" on that media.
4) The Upgrade Assistant/Advisor code in there,
will analyze stuff that needs work before the Upgrade.
For example, I was told I could not keep VirtualBox 5,
and had to use VirtualBox 6. I installed VirtualBox 6,
then ran the Setup.exe again. It was only then that the
install took off.

You can coax an installation, even if there isn't a video
driver suited for the job. That's the difference doing it
manually, versus waiting for Windows Update to do it.
Windows Update, in the past has staged some drivers, before
the upgrade happens, whereas manually ramming in a version
doesn't wait for drivers (where the driver most likely to be
inadequate would be a video card driver).

And, as the old installation is kept in C:\Windows.old,
if you don't happen to like how it turned out, you
can "Revert" to the way it was before. But, I don't
recommend doing that, and a complete backup before
you begin this, is a better way to "Revert" if it is
needed. If there's a really egregious problem with
the installation process, the backup can save you
some effort.

THe Revert capability only exists for about ten days,
and C:\Windows.old will be deleted by the OS past
that time. Do not try to delete C:\Windows.old by
yourself - use Cleanmgr.exe if you must, and click
the system cleanup button for details.

Paul

Does win 10 still clobber legacy software though? I'm thinking the updated,
well cludged version of Outlook Express and certain other specialist
software like news bridge which I'd suspect nobody knows about.

I used to have windows 10, but got fed up of the wasted time spent backing
stuff up that might be trashed and then waiting half an hour for it to die
or work.
Brian

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Andrew wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Old wives tales, I suspect ...

Under Settings/Updates, can you see if it's been holding off the 20H2
update, or trying and failing it, or is it just waiting for you to be
brave and tell it to do it?

There are some batch files floating around e.g. the sevenforums that will
nuke windows update and usually get failed updates going again.

If that's not the case, then download an ISO or USB stick with the media
creation tool, and do an install over the top of 20H1, will keep your
existing settings.

backups are good first.

In article ,
Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:
Does win 10 still clobber legacy software though? I'm thinking the
updated, well cludged version of Outlook Express and certain other
specialist software like news bridge which I'd suspect nobody knows
about.

I used to have windows 10, but got fed up of the wasted time spent
backing stuff up that might be trashed and then waiting half an hour
for it to die or work.

I changed totally to Win10 last year. After having problems accessing my
bank with Win7.

Not had any problems (once I'd actually got it installed) and quite like
it now.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:46:23 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Old wives tales, I suspect ...


I thought in the early days of 2004 it borked some machines for which
it didn't have the right drivers (typically older machines). The
release was then held back and then altered to make futher checks on
the target computer before making itself available.

afaik it now would not be on offer unless the computer is capable of
accepting it. From memory 2004 took a long time to be offered to my
10yr old laptop.

In any event I did a partition backup first anyway.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:39:49 +0000, GB
wrote:

On 12/03/2021 12:47, Andrew wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:30, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote:

I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".

Sounds like you're stuck on Win10 1909 release
What does Winkey+R followed by "winver" without the quotes say?

Version 1909. I knew that anyway, but some people have said
2004 doesn't like older hardware, so I have held off for now.

Win 10 32/Pro 4G ram, one 500G WD drive partitioned into
C, D, E and F.

Andrew




4G Ram is okay, and a slow CPU is probably okay. It might be a really
good idea to put in an SSD.


My old machine is starting to struggle with its 8Gb ram when I have
say a dozen tabs open. Hit a "compressing memory" message the other
day for the first time. Plenty of disk space. Updates nearly always
= bigger.


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AnthonyL wrote:

I've got loads of MSDOS applications that won't now run on Win10.

Not even in https://dosbox.com

On 13/03/2021 21:43, Ian Jackson wrote:

In the meantime, this XP machine seems to plough on without too many
problems. That said, Firefox and Palemoon now have problems with my bank
accounts, and I have to use the last version of Chrome that works on XP.

I can see no harm in surfing the web or writing to usenet on an XP
machine, provided it isn't part of a botnet. But, you run your banking
on an xp machine?!

On 14/03/2021 16:23, Ian Jackson wrote:

doing "systeminfo" from a command line will give a snapshot of Hyper-V
requirements right at the end.

e.g:

Hyper-V Requirements:Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* VM Monitor Mode Extensions: Yes
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Virtualization Enabled In Firmwa Yes
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Second Level Address Translation: Yes
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Data Execution Prevention Available: Yes

Some of those may need to be enabled in the BIOS if not showing up
once the OS has booted.

Computer says "No" to the first three, and "Yes" to the last. [Yes -
it's actually coming back to me now (been there, done that etc)]

AIUI, and IIRC, for this ageing PC and its elderly processor, the BIOS
doesn't/can't support Hyper-V. But somehow I found a workaround
(possibly using an older version of Virtual Box?).

Yup other programs including their own hypervisor can work without the
same requirements as Hyper V.

Hyper V has extra capabilities to play nice with other virtualisation
systems as well now. So you should be able to run Hyper VMs alongside
Virtualbox or VMWare VMs and things like Windows Subsystem for Linux.


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In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
The are apps, or progams as they used to be called, that existed
before Windows, they are still useful and worked right up until WinXP,
or maybe even Win7.

Sorry, I learned my computing on the BBC Micro/Acorn. It was there others
nicked apps from. ;-)

dBASEIII/Clipper type databases that still do what I want, Cobol
programs that still do what I want.

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

I'll try the suggestions others have made.

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On 15/03/2021 14:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
The are apps, or progams as they used to be called, that existed
before Windows, they are still useful and worked right up until WinXP,
or maybe even Win7.

Sorry, I learned my computing on the BBC Micro/Acorn. It was there others
nicked apps from. ;-)

dBASEIII/Clipper type databases that still do what I want, Cobol
programs that still do what I want.

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

If you've got complex systems and databases running on them, then you
may not want to have to migrate and re-code for newer versions.

The company I am working for still has a specific purpose database
running on Access 97. It will not run on newer versions and as it
comprises a large quantity of background information, rules, operations
and an entire, bespoke front end, it would cost millions and years of
work to develop a new version.

On 15/03/2021 14:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
The are apps, or progams as they used to be called, that existed
before Windows, they are still useful and worked right up until WinXP,
or maybe even Win7.

Sorry, I learned my computing on the BBC Micro/Acorn. It was there others
nicked apps from. ;-)

dBASEIII/Clipper type databases that still do what I want, Cobol
programs that still do what I want.

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

Its not the database that matters as such - yes there are a multitude of
database engines that can access stuff stored in dBaseIII style database
tables.

The main issue is usually the application code written in
dBase/Foxpro/Clipper etc that turns the DB into a bespoke business
application.

Applications like Foxpro and clipper could/would compile an application
into a stand-alone DOS executable, and that is not accessible to a
modern database engine even if the tables it uses are. In many cases you
may not even have access to the original source code. So emulation of
the original platform becomes the best way forward.



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On 12/03/2021 12:10, Andrew wrote:
I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".


I have this on a 2 year old computer - win 10 home 64bit.

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On 15/03/2021 14:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

Maybe the problem is that the modern versions have a million extra
widgets where the majority are not used or required. And then with every
update the user interface is changed
Do you remember the time when a word processor came on a single floppy
disk and did everything that most businesses and personal users required?


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On 15/03/2021 15:19, Steve Walker wrote:


If you've got complex systems and databases running on them, then you
may not want to have to migrate and re-code for newer versions.


Hasn't this been the reason for so many software outages when bank and
building society try and modify the 20/30 year old software they are
still using.


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On 16/03/2021 08:07, alan_m wrote:
On 12/03/2021 12:10, Andrew wrote:
I seem to have a new icon on the bar at the bottom right of the screen
saying "Your version of Windows 10 will reach end of service soon.
Click to download a new version to stay supported".


I have this on a 2 year old computer - win 10 home 64bit.

Win 10 typically does two substantial updates per year, these are called
"feature updates" rather than the regular weekly "quality updates" (bug
fixes and security updates etc).

You can avoid[1] installing the feature updates for some time if you
want. However there comes a time where they cease supporting the older
feature update versions (typically 18 months after release).

Note that you need to be on a supported feature update to continue to
receive quality updates. So ultimately there is significant incentive to
move to a current feature version. Welcome to SaaS!


[1] You can avoid on "Pro", "Enterprise", "IoT", "Education" versions,
but not "Home".


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On 16/03/2021 08:16, alan_m wrote:
On 15/03/2021 14:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

Maybe the problem is that the modern versions have a million extra
widgets where the majority are not used or required. And then with every
update the user interface is changed
Do you remember the time when a word processor came on a single floppy
disk and did everything that most businesses and personal users required?

In my first job, I produced some datasheets that had IBM box characters
to make tables. They were created on an IBM AT, using WordStar. The
Epson printer could not print these characters though, so to print those
documents, I used to go down to the shopfloor, with a single, 5-1/4",
360K floppy disk, containing all of Wordstar (except the thesaurus) and
my documents and "borrow" the PC and printer used for label production.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 14:38:38 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
The are apps, or progams as they used to be called, that existed
before Windows, they are still useful and worked right up until WinXP,
or maybe even Win7.

Sorry, I learned my computing on the BBC Micro/Acorn. It was there others
nicked apps from. ;-)


Well I can go back further than that but not with MSDOS, or even CP/M

dBASEIII/Clipper type databases that still do what I want, Cobol
programs that still do what I want.

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?


It's not the databases that are the issue, it is the software
application behind it, and some fairly sophisticated which I'm in no
mood to rewrite in whatever is today's flavour of the month language.
The programs still do what they were designed to do, or would if I
could readily run them.


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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:15:44 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 15/03/2021 14:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
AnthonyL wrote:
The are apps, or progams as they used to be called, that existed
before Windows, they are still useful and worked right up until WinXP,
or maybe even Win7.

Sorry, I learned my computing on the BBC Micro/Acorn. It was there others
nicked apps from. ;-)

dBASEIII/Clipper type databases that still do what I want, Cobol
programs that still do what I want.

Are you really saying there aren't modern versions of things like
databases?

Its not the database that matters as such - yes there are a multitude of
database engines that can access stuff stored in dBaseIII style database
tables.

The main issue is usually the application code written in
dBase/Foxpro/Clipper etc that turns the DB into a bespoke business
application.

Applications like Foxpro and clipper could/would compile an application
into a stand-alone DOS executable, and that is not accessible to a
modern database engine even if the tables it uses are. In many cases you
may not even have access to the original source code. So emulation of
the original platform becomes the best way forward.



Well understood. Add RM-Cobol to that mix as well.



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