Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...ffodil-5029137

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers (which
is a good thing in my POV).

So, we will probably do what we are already doing and buy more in from
Europe (Doh!) or just go without?

And that's the best idea from my POV ... leave them growing where they
grow naturally (and / or re-plant where they grew naturally). Or do
what people do with a simulated fire, a 3D projection of some
daffodils and some already like spraying chemicals round their hoses
with those 'Plug-in' things and you must be able to get a daffodil
scented one. ;-)

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

The other person many people buy cut flowers for is their Mum but mine
has a garden full of what she's grown / nurtured / recovered (gifted
from others) herself and also prefers to see them still alive and
growing.

Is there anything you won't bitch about?
That was rhetorical.

T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage? If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:46:52 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

No, just that we are 'adults' and way past all that BS. ;-)

Do you eat cabbage?

I do.

If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well,

Because doing so is both pointless and detrimental to the environment?

it will probably do as much for your health.

Nope, just as seeing 'a lovely steak' doesn't.

No, I'd much rather appreciate *all* plants when out walking in their
natural habitat (inc those people consider 'weeds').

https://tinyurl.com/5nyy42cp

and prefer to see them where they are flourishing and serving their
primary purpose, not being grown and picked just to die?

Maybe some get pleasure from ignorance ... not considering something
had effectively been killed, or at least removed from wherever it was
happily growing to give someone a few days of 'pleasure'?

Cut flowers have *never* given me pleasure.

I'm guessing if it was growing wild it would serve some sort of
purpose (attracting bees / whatever) and it's death would be both
natural and directly beneficial to it's surroundings, not some
municipal composting scheme, assuming it ever got that far.

And just think of all the wasted resources in growing something with
such a trivial / momentary function, whilst it's being denied the very
thing it was like that for (to attract pollinators to spread it's
genes for it (unless your house is full of bees / flies)). ;-)

OOI, do you always do what we have 'always done' or do you ever apply
your own ideals to stuff (genuine question)?

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:46:52 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
T i m wrote:

If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well,

Because doing so is both pointless and detrimental to the environment?

it will probably do as much for your health.

Nope, just as seeing 'a lovely steak' doesn't.

There is lots and lots of evidence to show that your health isn't just
down to the food you eat. Looking at something that makes you happy
will make you healthier. (I'm promoting beautiful flowers, not steak
here)

Many flowers are *designed* to be 'cut' in the sense that it's the way
they propagate their seeds.

In addition most of the cut flowers one sees are created and bred for
exactly that - being cut and displayed in your house or wherever.
Unless you exclude *all* art and decoration from your life I can't see
how you can complain about cut flowers but paint your walls and/or
hang pictures etc.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

you exclude *all* art and decoration from your life I can't see how you
can complain about cut flowers but paint your walls and/or hang pictures
etc.

Judging from T i m's posts here he probably doesn't paint his walls due
to the pollution that is caused in manufacturing and transporting the
paint.

in fact - he probably doesn't even have walls as the ecological damage
caused during the brick making process will greatly offend his principles.

He doesn't mind the odd illegal act though such as riding his bike on the
pavement or having something 'drop into his bag' but only if it is him
doing it and no-one else.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 11:08:29 -0000 (UTC), Bev wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

you exclude *all* art and decoration from your life I can't see how you
can complain about cut flowers but paint your walls and/or hang pictures
etc.

Judging from T i m's posts here he probably doesn't paint his walls due
to the pollution that is caused in manufacturing and transporting the
paint.

I've been here nearly 40 years and some of the walls have only been
painted once (when I first did them). They have only been painted once
because 1) I did it properly first time, 2) we haven't had any kids
writing over them or damaging them (we have had kids) and 3) no one
has ever been allowed to smoke in here.

in fact - he probably doesn't even have walls as the ecological damage
caused during the brick making process will greatly offend his principles.

Ah, you are actually a ****. Sorry, I shouldn't have given you the
time of a serious reply, ' (but you will be added to
the list so thanks).

He doesn't mind the odd illegal act though such as riding his bike on the
pavement

Laws are meant to be broken (especially when it's better all round to
do so). And I guess you aren't allowed out much to see the real world
'these days' with *many* pavements 'shared use' in any case?

or having something 'drop into his bag' but only if it is him
doing it and no-one else.

What? What BS are you trying to use to justify your attacking of the
messenger rather than the message now 'Bev'?

So, you think the growing of flowers to cut and watch die is better
than say having flowers growing in a pot (indoors) instead?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:46:52 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
T i m wrote:

If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well,

Because doing so is both pointless and detrimental to the environment?

it will probably do as much for your health.

Nope, just as seeing 'a lovely steak' doesn't.

There is lots and lots of evidence to show that your health isn't just
down to the food you eat. Looking at something that makes you happy
will make you healthier. (I'm promoting beautiful flowers, not steak
here)

Of course ... and all I was saying that looking a 'beautiful flowers'
that have been cut off from their roots and brought indoors to die
give me no pleasure whatsoever. I'm not saying that they don't for
others, but maybe some of those others haven't considered the bigger
picture?

I'm sure some get pleasure from having stuffed animals head on their
wall or a photo of them by an animal they have murdered but again,
many wouldn't. I wonder how many of those who currently do, might not
if it was explained to them what they were doing might not be a good
thing?

Many flowers are *designed* to be 'cut' in the sense that it's the way
they propagate their seeds.

Still no excuse to do so from my POV. If they were designed to be cut
in nature then let them be cut in nature?

In addition most of the cut flowers one sees are created and bred for
exactly that - being cut and displayed in your house or wherever.

Understood.

Unless you exclude *all* art

Pretty well, as most would consider it anyway.

and decoration

As far as clean / functional, no, anything further, yes.

from your life I can't see
how you can complain about cut flowers

See above, especially when they end up rotting in the ground (ignoring
the bio-cycle of that etc, which on it's own isn't a 'bad thing').

but paint your walls

See above.

and/or
hang pictures etc.

I think we have just one, my Dad gave me (a USCG Training Bark
'Eagle', he was a Merchant navy captain and I like boats etc) and I
can't say I've ever really looked at it or it given me pleasure. He
gave it to me and I sort of felt obliged to put it up. ;-(

So, I wonder how much of the killing of flowers to bring them indoors
to watch them die is because people *actually* like the effect or
because they have been conditioned to *believe* that's a good thing?

eg, How many people may have turned vegan after watching a video of
what *actually* goes on behind the scenes to put animal flesh /
excretions on their plate?

Or when they have been made aware of what impact pouring oil /
chemical has down the drain (ignoring the illegality of doing such) or
stopping water from flowing though their front yard by the use of
continuous paving?

If you really do get pleasure out of looking at such things, go for a
walk in the park or round a garden centre or get some plants in a pot
.... or there are some really good artificial ones these days that are
difficult to discern from the real thing (that over their lifespans
may have less of an environmental impact that the constant replacement
of live ones)??

Cheers, T i m

On 07/03/2021 13:58, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:46:52 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
T i m wrote:

If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well,

Because doing so is both pointless and detrimental to the environment?

it will probably do as much for your health.

Nope, just as seeing 'a lovely steak' doesn't.

There is lots and lots of evidence to show that your health isn't just
down to the food you eat. Looking at something that makes you happy
will make you healthier. (I'm promoting beautiful flowers, not steak
here)

Of course ... and all I was saying that looking a 'beautiful flowers'
that have been cut off from their roots and brought indoors to die
give me no pleasure whatsoever. I'm not saying that they don't for
others, but maybe some of those others haven't considered the bigger
picture?

I'm sure some get pleasure from having stuffed animals head on their
wall or a photo of them by an animal they have murdered but again,
many wouldn't. I wonder how many of those who currently do, might not
if it was explained to them what they were doing might not be a good
thing?

Many flowers are *designed* to be 'cut' in the sense that it's the way
they propagate their seeds.

Still no excuse to do so from my POV. If they were designed to be cut
in nature then let them be cut in nature?

In addition most of the cut flowers one sees are created and bred for
exactly that - being cut and displayed in your house or wherever.

Understood.

Unless you exclude *all* art

Pretty well, as most would consider it anyway.

and decoration

As far as clean / functional, no, anything further, yes.

from your life I can't see
how you can complain about cut flowers

See above, especially when they end up rotting in the ground (ignoring
the bio-cycle of that etc, which on it's own isn't a 'bad thing').

but paint your walls

See above.

and/or
hang pictures etc.

I think we have just one, my Dad gave me (a USCG Training Bark
'Eagle', he was a Merchant navy captain and I like boats etc) and I
can't say I've ever really looked at it or it given me pleasure. He
gave it to me and I sort of felt obliged to put it up. ;-(

So, I wonder how much of the killing of flowers to bring them indoors
to watch them die is because people *actually* like the effect or
because they have been conditioned to *believe* that's a good thing?

If you don't understand the power of flowers to a woman then you must be
dead from the waist down.

eg, How many people may have turned vegan after watching a video of
what *actually* goes on behind the scenes to put animal flesh /
excretions on their plate?

Only the weak-willed.

On 07/03/2021 13:58, T i m wrote:
....
Of course ... and all I was saying that looking a 'beautiful flowers'
that have been cut off from their roots and brought indoors to die
give me no pleasure whatsoever....

By that line of reasoning, you shouldn't be eating fruit or vegetables
either.


--
Colin Bignell

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

and/or
hang pictures etc.

I think we have just one, my Dad gave me (a USCG Training Bark
'Eagle', he was a Merchant navy captain and I like boats etc) and I
can't say I've ever really looked at it or it given me pleasure. He
gave it to me and I sort of felt obliged to put it up. ;-(


Imagine it under its original name as the Horst Wessel full of Nazi
indoctorated youth training to
fill positions in the Kreigsmarine many of whom would soon be in command
of U boats trying to kill people like your Dad.
Should give you a reasonable excuse to take it down.

GH

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage? If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

and it isn't just enjoyment

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I was
quite surprised to find that the local market had significant numbers of
flower stalls

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers for
display. But they bought them because the religious reward for using them
in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

On 08/03/2021 12:45, tim... wrote:


"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage?Â* If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

and it isn't just enjoyment

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I
was quite surprised to find that the local market had significant
numbers of flower stalls

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers
for display.Â* But they bought them because the religious reward for
using them in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

Now you've done it.

On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:45:12 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage? If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

and it isn't just enjoyment

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

Because of their 'beliefs'.

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I was
quite surprised to find that the local market had significant numbers of
flower stalls

Of course, in just the same way people have sold other people all
sorts of stuff they don't want, need, can afford ... or should be
buying (like ivory) over the years, still doesn't justify doing so
does it?

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers for
display. But they bought them because the religious reward for using them
in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

Yup, that's belief systems for you. ;-(

Now, if you were an atheist you might be a little skeptical just what
that was all about, especially when they were sold by / funds to the
religions concerned. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:45:12 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage? If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

and it isn't just enjoyment

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

Because of their 'beliefs'.

yup

The attitude of people in the country was unbelievable

everywhere they compete with the next town for the biggest, brightest,
newest temple or other religious artefact

and it's a poor country and I kept on saying to the group, that's another
place where a hospital/school isn't being built

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I
was
quite surprised to find that the local market had significant numbers of
flower stalls

Of course, in just the same way people have sold other people all
sorts of stuff they don't want, need, can afford ... or should be
buying (like ivory) over the years, still doesn't justify doing so
does it?

I don't think that it's comparable with ivory at all, that's just daft.

And the following of religion has built up over centuries,

Generally the current authorities have nothing to do with enforcing it on
the population

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers
for
display. But they bought them because the religious reward for using them
in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

Yup, that's belief systems for you. ;-(

Now, if you were an atheist you might be a little skeptical just what
that was all about, especially when they were sold by / funds to the
religions concerned. ;-)

but they weren't

you are being too sceptical

just normal market stall holders

Temples were often completely empty of any religious helpers.

Doesn't stop the people going there with their offerings

BTW I've seen worse than this on my travels

There was one religion where the followers still believe in animal sacrifice
having a useful effect (didn't see a market stall selling the raw materials
though)

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:09:11 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:

snip

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

Because of their 'beliefs'.

yup

The attitude of people in the country was unbelievable

everywhere they compete with the next town for the biggest, brightest,
newest temple or other religious artefact

All costing etc. Whilst I'm aware much good is done under the name of
religion ...

and it's a poor country and I kept on saying to the group, that's another
place where a hospital/school isn't being built

Probably in some cases.

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I
was
quite surprised to find that the local market had significant numbers of
flower stalls

Of course, in just the same way people have sold other people all
sorts of stuff they don't want, need, can afford ... or should be
buying (like ivory) over the years, still doesn't justify doing so
does it?

I don't think that it's comparable with ivory at all, that's just daft.

Only if you don't get the link possibly?

And the following of religion has built up over centuries,

?

Generally the current authorities have nothing to do with enforcing it on
the population

Although it can be far from optional, like London drug gangs.

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers
for
display. But they bought them because the religious reward for using them
in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

Yup, that's belief systems for you. ;-(

Now, if you were an atheist you might be a little skeptical just what
that was all about, especially when they were sold by / funds to the
religions concerned. ;-)

but they weren't

I didn't say they were?

you are being too sceptical

'when they were'. The have been loads of instances over time when
religions have made loads of money via commercial venture.

just normal market stall holders

In that case they probably were. Doesn't exclude the times when they
weren't.

Temples were often completely empty of any religious helpers.

Ok?

Doesn't stop the people going there with their offerings

Quite?

BTW I've seen worse than this on my travels

There was one religion where the followers still believe in animal sacrifice
having a useful effect (didn't see a market stall selling the raw materials
though)

Yup, but animal exploitation goes on around the world, from those
sacrificing them in the thought that that will appease the gods to
those that do the same to consume because they *believe* they are
nothing but good for them or that they have the right etc.

Cheers, T i m

"tim..." wrote in message
...


"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:45:12 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
T i m wrote:

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

You're obviously absolutely perfect Tim!

Do you eat cabbage? If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well, it will probably do as much for your health.

and it isn't just enjoyment

in many cultures flower displays have religious significance

Because of their 'beliefs'.

yup

The attitude of people in the country was unbelievable

everywhere they compete with the next town for the biggest, brightest,
newest temple or other religious artefact

and it's a poor country and I kept on saying to the group, that's another
place where a hospital/school isn't being built

On one of my recent holidays to one of the poorer parts of the world, I
was
quite surprised to find that the local market had significant numbers of
flower stalls

Of course, in just the same way people have sold other people all
sorts of stuff they don't want, need, can afford ... or should be
buying (like ivory) over the years, still doesn't justify doing so
does it?

I don't think that it's comparable with ivory at all, that's just daft.

And the following of religion has built up over centuries,

Generally the current authorities have nothing to do with enforcing it on
the population

And I thought, they can't be that poor if they can afford to buy flowers
for
display. But they bought them because the religious reward for using
them
in their religious ceremony was greater than the financial cost.

Yup, that's belief systems for you. ;-(

Now, if you were an atheist you might be a little skeptical just what
that was all about, especially when they were sold by / funds to the
religions concerned. ;-)

but they weren't

you are being too sceptical

just normal market stall holders

Temples were often completely empty of any religious helpers.

Doesn't stop the people going there with their offerings

BTW I've seen worse than this on my travels

There was one religion where the followers still believe in animal
sacrifice having a useful effect (didn't see a market stall selling the
raw materials though)

Just watched the last ep in this series on Capt Cook in the pacific.
https://iview.abc.net.au/video/ZW2422A006S00

In Hawaii it was human sacrifice. Then they killed Cook and ate him.

On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:
Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).


The last time I saw cut daffodils in a supermarket they couldn't sell
them and at a knock down price.

I think they were going to rot anyway.

Do you have shares in daffodil nurseries for this interest? Or is this
another desperate show of your displeasure towards the success of
Brexit? When is your promised Armageddon or economic meltdown?

On 07/03/2021 01:45, Fredxx wrote:
On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

The last time I saw cut daffodils in a supermarket they couldn't sell
them and at a knock down price. I think they were going to rot anyway.

Or is this another desperate show of your displeasure towards the
success of Brexit?

When is your promised Armageddon or economic meltdown?

T i m would appear to live an emotionally-crippled lifestyle.

He doesn't buy flowers for his other half or to decorate his house. He
wants and campaigns for animals to live 'natural' lives - the short,
brutal ones of the real world - but takes great care not to live such a
life for himself or his dog. He admitted that after nearly 50 years
living in the EEC/EC/EU(SSR) he knew so little about it that he spoiled
his Referendum paper. After ~65 years of eating meat and squandering the
planet's resources, he now campaigns for the world to go meat-free,
having had a lifetime of fun he wants no-one else to do the same.

Mixed up? Sounds very much that way.

--
Spike

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
The last time I saw cut daffodils in a supermarket they couldn't sell
them and at a knock down price.

Really? I always buy them. They don't last long, but are worth it at the
price.

--
*WHAT IF THERE WERE NO HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Fredxx wrote

The last time I saw cut daffodils in a supermarket
they couldn't sell them and at a knock down price.

Really? I always buy them.

Fark, weirder and weirder.

They don't last long, but are worth it at the price.

Nope.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:58:41 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the auto-contradicting trolling senile asshole's latest troll****


--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:
Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...ffodil-5029137

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers (which
is a good thing in my POV).

So, we will probably do what we are already doing and buy more in from
Europe (Doh!) or just go without?

And that's the best idea from my POV ... leave them growing where they
grow naturally (and / or re-plant where they grew naturally). Or do
what people do with a simulated fire, a 3D projection of some
daffodils and some already like spraying chemicals round their hoses
with those 'Plug-in' things and you must be able to get a daffodil
scented one. ;-)

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

The other person many people buy cut flowers for is their Mum but mine
has a garden full of what she's grown / nurtured / recovered (gifted
from others) herself and also prefers to see them still alive and
growing.


shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

"Jimmy Stewart ..." wrote in message
...
On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:
Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...ffodil-5029137

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers (which
is a good thing in my POV).

So, we will probably do what we are already doing and buy more in from
Europe (Doh!) or just go without?

And that's the best idea from my POV ... leave them growing where they
grow naturally (and / or re-plant where they grew naturally). Or do
what people do with a simulated fire, a 3D projection of some
daffodils and some already like spraying chemicals round their hoses
with those 'Plug-in' things and you must be able to get a daffodil
scented one. ;-)

I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ... and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)

The other person many people buy cut flowers for is their Mum but mine
has a garden full of what she's grown / nurtured / recovered (gifted
from others) herself and also prefers to see them still alive and
growing.


shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their lives
without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

And its there sexual organs that are being ripped off for
the pleasure of the arseholes who put them in vases etc.

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On 07/03/2021 07:40, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:
DaffodilsÂ* particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

The other person many people buy cut flowers for is their Mum but mine
has a garden full of what she's grown / nurtured / recovered (gifted
from others) herself and also prefers to see them still alive and
growing.


shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

GBS said something about cutting off children's heads on this subject.

--
Max Demian

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 07:40:01 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
wrote:

snip

shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

They should be allowed to do what their entire purpose in life is to
do and do it where they would naturally, yes. That's part of their
wonder.

Cheers, T i m

On 07/03/2021 14:10, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 07:40:01 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
wrote:

snip

shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

They should be allowed to do what their entire purpose in life is to
do and do it where they would naturally, yes. That's part of their
wonder.

Are you now suggesting we should keep vegetables in the ground as nature
intended rather than some fanatic eating them?

You really haven't thought this through.

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 07:40:01 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
wrote:

snip

shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking

They should be allowed to do what their entire purpose
in life is to do and do it where they would naturally, yes.

Just as true of your dog, arsehole.

That's part of their wonder.

Ditto with dogs and cats.

In article , Jimmy Stewart ...
writes
On 06/03/2021 20:16, T i m wrote:
Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...rces-worlds-la
rgest-daffodil-5029137
On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people
there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.
A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the
Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers (which
is a good thing in my POV).
So, we will probably do what we are already doing and buy more in
from
Europe (Doh!) or just go without?
And that's the best idea from my POV ... leave them growing where
they
grow naturally (and / or re-plant where they grew naturally). Or do
what people do with a simulated fire, a 3D projection of some
daffodils and some already like spraying chemicals round their hoses
with those 'Plug-in' things and you must be able to get a daffodil
scented one. ;-)
I can't remember the last time I bought anyone cut flowers [1] ...
and
they even often request people *don't* provide them at funerals as
it's 'such a waste'.
Cheers, T i m
[1] Maybe I don't do enough bad things to try to use flowers to
(pretend to?) say sorry to the Mrs? ;-)
The other person many people buy cut flowers for is their Mum but
mine
has a garden full of what she's grown / nurtured / recovered (gifted
from others) herself and also prefers to see them still alive and
growing.

shocking killing flowers anyway they should be allowed to live their
lives without us ripping them out the ground...shocking
Along with onions turnips and cauliflowers.
Yes. What about cauliflowers?
--
bert

"T i m" wrote in message
...
Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/co...ffodil-5029137

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers

oh you are right

I didn't realise that

the requirement is "edible Horticulture"

On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:40:36 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
snip

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers

oh you are right

It's actually not that surprising! ;-)

I didn't realise that

Nor did I till I saw the news recently ... but then I've considered
the whole Brexit thing to be a cluster**** of course.

the requirement is "edible Horticulture"

And that makes sense, when you are looking at 'importance'.

Ignoring any historic / tradition / health beliefs re we might re
cutting down living things and bring them in to die, I'm pretty sure
that a walk in a park or the country and to look at the flowers
*living* is far more rewarding, and if you can have a vase with cut
flowers in the chances are you could have a pot with a living /
growing plant in?

Or maybe part of the appeal of cut flowers is that you don't have to
have much responsibility to them, just stick them in a vase and chuck
them out when they start to droop.

Now, if you have some proven medical condition where part of the
healing / recovery is a prescription of cut flowers then I guess that
could be justified but outside that ... ?

Cheers, T i m

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:40:36 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:
snip

A pretty common story I belive in that sorta game. Apparently the Gov
have issued 30,000 visas to 'foreigners' to come and pick our fruit
and veg (so they can *still* rape our wives whilst they are here of
course) but that's still not enough and doesn't cover flowers

oh you are right

It's actually not that surprising! ;-)

I didn't realise that

Nor did I till I saw the news recently ... but then I've considered
the whole Brexit thing to be a cluster**** of course.

the requirement is "edible Horticulture"

And that makes sense, when you are looking at 'importance'.

Ignoring any historic / tradition / health beliefs re we might re
cutting down living things and bring them in to die, I'm pretty sure
that a walk in a park or the country and to look at the flowers
*living* is far more rewarding, and if you can have a vase with cut
flowers in the chances are you could have a pot with a living /
growing plant in?

Or maybe part of the appeal of cut flowers is that you don't have to
have much responsibility to them, just stick them in a vase and chuck
them out when they start to droop.

Now, if you have some proven medical condition where part of the
healing / recovery is a prescription of cut flowers then I guess that
could be justified but outside that ... ?

In a developed economy spending money on something that makes your house
nicer is just a business opportunity

It's no different from redecorating your house

no-one's forced to buy decorative flowers.

But OTOH there's no reason to make a law banning it

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:12:58 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:

snip

Now, if you have some proven medical condition where part of the
healing / recovery is a prescription of cut flowers then I guess that
could be justified but outside that ... ?

In a developed economy spending money on something that makes your house
nicer

When it does ...

is just a business opportunity

In many cases it is indeed. Or a businesses opportunity that is
serving a demand, even if it isn't creating / stimulating it.

It's no different from redecorating your house

I guess that depends why you are doing it? If you moved into a house
where the PO had used colours / materials / styles you don't find
pleasant then 'of course' you would want to change them to something
that does (if only for that reason). But I decorated this house with
what I found suitable at the time and that hasn't changed yet? So why
would I bother to decorate it again when I don't enjoy doing so?

no-one's forced to buy decorative flowers.

I believe they are, though social / commercial pressures. There are
loads of people out there who are trapped into following fashion, be
that clothing or house decoration and who simply couldn't not buy
their partner cut flowers on Valentines day, their birthday or
anniversary. It was the Mrs birthday last month some time and I got
her nothing (I don't do cards in any case) because we are grown ups
and do what we want, not what others expect us to do.

But OTOH there's no reason to make a law banning it

There could be if there was more of a need for food for survival than
flowers to cater to peoples 'fancy'. See, just because you can or like
to do something doesn't mean it's right (that you can or do).

There is a law in place indirectly right now, if the government
provides a facility to allow people into the country to pick edible
crops but not flowers (so the flowers rot in the fields, wasting food
growing land)?

Ever heard of rationing where even the essentials were limited and
fancy stuff simply wasn't available (other than at high cost and often
via the black market).

Cheers, T i m

On 10/03/2021 16:14, T i m wrote:

Ever heard of rationing where even the essentials were limited and
fancy stuff simply wasn't available (other than at high cost and often
via the black market).

Yep. Spent my early years on it. What would you like to know?

--
Spike

On 7 Mar 2021 09:24:08 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 06 Mar 2021 at 20:16:24 GMT, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

SWMBO buys daffs at only a quid a bunch from any supermarket we happen to be
in.

Ok?

But only until those in our garden come into flower.

OK?

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

I have pointed this out at least a couple of time before in relation to fruit
but perhaps you were too busy foaming at the mouth to notice.

Probably after you read it from one of my posts, given how self
important you are.

If you really want British people to do this wort of work you'd better arrange
to scrap all unemployment benefits so that these jobs become attractive.

Aww. you are funny Tim. And you think that will get anyone any votes
to support the ****ed system we have now that allows a minority to
decide what happens to a majority (ITRW, not just those playing the
broken game)?

And it's anot all laziness. As I said in previous posts, fruit picking and
other related manual labour uses muscles that normally we dont use.

Till we use them ... (Doh!).

You try it
for several hours on teh trot and you'd damn soon have an aching back too.

Of course, I have, but I'm not a pussy and will work though it, like
everything anyone doing anything different / scenarios often has to,
however young / fit they are.

So, do you think all the European workers have been genetically
modified to be able to start picking crops / fruit without suffering
any aches and pains after the first few sessions? Or are they just
grateful / respectful for the opportunity of doing something good /
wanted and getting paid for it, whilst visiting / seeing another
country / culture?

Or they *were* happy to be doing something needed / good, now the
likes of you have decided with one big blanket decision that we *only
want* the workers we choose here and while there is *selected* work to
be done and their pride is too great to want to work anywhere under
such circumstances. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 07/03/2021 14:19, T i m wrote:
On 7 Mar 2021 09:24:08 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 06 Mar 2021 at 20:16:24 GMT, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

SWMBO buys daffs at only a quid a bunch from any supermarket we happen to be
in.

Ok?

But only until those in our garden come into flower.

OK?

On the TV news they asked a UK farmer how many of the few people there
picking daffodils were British and he said 'none'. He went on to say
he did get four local lads in but as soon as it got cold / windy ...
that and their 'aching backs' they chucked it in.

I have pointed this out at least a couple of time before in relation to fruit
but perhaps you were too busy foaming at the mouth to notice.

Probably after you read it from one of my posts, given how self
important you are.

You should look at yourself in the mirror. Mr Streater doesn't feel the
need to abuse anyone who disagrees with him so I would strongly dispute
your claim.

On 07/03/2021 09:24, Tim Streater wrote:
On 06 Mar 2021 at 20:16:24 GMT, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

SWMBO buys daffs at only a quid a bunch from any supermarket we happen to be
in. But only until those in our garden come into flower.


Buying air-freighted flowers, fruit and veg is something that
people should avoid doing. And if they are 'global warming'
believers then they are plain hypocrites anyway.

On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:57:24 +0000, Andrew
wrote:

On 07/03/2021 09:24, Tim Streater wrote:
On 06 Mar 2021 at 20:16:24 GMT, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

SWMBO buys daffs at only a quid a bunch from any supermarket we happen to be
in. But only until those in our garden come into flower.


Buying air-freighted flowers,

(...given the transience and questionable value especially ...)

fruit and veg

( ... at least they are being 'used' for something both tangible and
directly beneficial to all of us ...)

is something that
people should avoid doing.

Agreed. The problem is the only people 'bothered' to avoid such are
those interested in anything other than them and their needs? ;-(

Like those who when shopping don't give the slightest consideration
where their food has come from and if the 'cost' to all of us could be
quite high. The fact that said cost isn't built in doesn't help expose
such (carbon offsetting etc).

And if they are 'global warming'
believers then they are plain hypocrites anyway.

Quite, but even if they aren't, surely the pollution generated by such
movement can't be considered 'a good thing'?

Much of what people seem to try to defend is borne out of selfishness
(if they were to consider it).

They 'like' taking flowers that were growing outdoors, cutting them
off from their roots, only to take them indoors to 'look at' (/ 'watch
die') because:

1) It's what they have always done. A bit like this:

https://ibb.co/MZDVc77

(eg, I wouldn't think 'That living thing looks nice, let me kill it
and take it indoors ...' and that's for all my life. I get the same
sort of feeling when I see petals being thrown at a wedding or them
thrown on the floor as when I see animal flesh ... 'what a shame /
waste'.)

2) (Therefore) have been normalised / conditioned to not consider the
consequences / costs. They are 'sheeple'.

3) 'Can do it' (cost / legality) so don't see whey they shouldn't if
they want to.

In this case the option to continue being part of the problem (as many
would view it) is because of issues of supply (in this country).

And I wonder what confuses, or what medical condition Mrs Squeaker
suffers that makes it *essential* for her to always have daffodils
indoors?

Another (vegan) analogy: https://ibb.co/9w1dV53

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 07/03/2021 09:24, Tim Streater wrote:
On 06 Mar 2021 at 20:16:24 GMT, T i m wrote:

Daffodils particularly ... that I believe are currently rotting on UK
farms by million as there are too few people to pick them (mostly
thanks to Brexit and some Covid).

SWMBO buys daffs at only a quid a bunch from any supermarket we happen to be
in. But only until those in our garden come into flower.


Buying air-freighted flowers, fruit and veg is something that
people should avoid doing. And if they are 'global warming'
believers then they are plain hypocrites anyway.

I doubt if Cornish daffodils are 'air freighted"

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