On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:12:57 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:46:52 +0000, Chris Green wrote:
T i m wrote:

If so then why not enjoy looking at some flowers
in a vase as well,

Because doing so is both pointless and detrimental to the environment?

it will probably do as much for your health.

Nope, just as seeing 'a lovely steak' doesn't.

There is lots and lots of evidence to show that your health isn't just
down to the food you eat. Looking at something that makes you happy
will make you healthier. (I'm promoting beautiful flowers, not steak
here)

Of course ... and all I was saying that looking a 'beautiful flowers'
that have been cut off from their roots and brought indoors to die
give me no pleasure whatsoever. I'm not saying that they don't for
others, but maybe some of those others haven't considered the bigger
picture?

I'm sure some get pleasure from having stuffed animals head on their
wall or a photo of them by an animal they have murdered but again,
many wouldn't. I wonder how many of those who currently do, might not
if it was explained to them what they were doing might not be a good
thing?

Many flowers are *designed* to be 'cut' in the sense that it's the way
they propagate their seeds.

Still no excuse to do so from my POV. If they were designed to be cut
in nature then let them be cut in nature?

In addition most of the cut flowers one sees are created and bred for
exactly that - being cut and displayed in your house or wherever.

Understood.

Unless you exclude *all* art

Pretty well, as most would consider it anyway.

and decoration

As far as clean / functional, no, anything further, yes.

from your life I can't see
how you can complain about cut flowers

See above, especially when they end up rotting in the ground (ignoring
the bio-cycle of that etc, which on it's own isn't a 'bad thing').

but paint your walls

See above.

and/or
hang pictures etc.

I think we have just one, my Dad gave me (a USCG Training Bark
'Eagle', he was a Merchant navy captain and I like boats etc) and I
can't say I've ever really looked at it or it given me pleasure. He
gave it to me and I sort of felt obliged to put it up. ;-(

So, I wonder how much of the killing of flowers to bring them indoors
to watch them die is because people *actually* like the effect or
because they have been conditioned to *believe* that's a good thing?

eg, How many people may have turned vegan after watching a video of
what *actually* goes on behind the scenes to put animal flesh /
excretions on their plate?

Or when they have been made aware of what impact pouring oil /
chemical has down the drain (ignoring the illegality of doing such) or
stopping water from flowing though their front yard by the use of
continuous paving?

If you really do get pleasure out of looking at such things, go for a
walk in the park or round a garden centre or get some plants in a pot
.... or there are some really good artificial ones these days that are
difficult to discern from the real thing (that over their lifespans
may have less of an environmental impact that the constant replacement
of live ones)??

Cheers, T i m