On 03/03/2021 12:40, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
On 03/03/2021 12:00, GB wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:40, Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't
find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to
her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the
right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of
your computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key
and R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind
you, most changes would be an improvement.
come to think of it she did say push both....
http://www.zeigen.com/shortcuts/2007/08/03/run/

https://www.infoworld.com/article/30...-scammers.html

On 03/03/2021 12:00, GB wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:40, Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't
find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to
her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of
your computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key
and R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind you,
most changes would be an improvement.
indeed...I am a bad man ....

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:00:48 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key
and R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind you,
most changes would be an improvement.

;-)

I really don't understand how / why most 'fully marbled' people could
/ would fall for any such things, unless they lived under a rock?

Unfortunately the BIL has lived under a (technical) rock and not long
after going online, fell for a scam and was tricked into moving a
large chunk of his savings into a 'safe account' (theirs of course).
Luckily he got it all back but ...

People read the papers, watch the news, follow social media where
warnings about this sort of scam are abundant but some still seem to
fall for it?

A telephone call from 'Windows Support' or 'BT Openreach' (from a
noisy call centre in India) telling me my BT broadband will be
disconnected (when I'm on cable) or that my Windows PC is compromised
(when I'm on Linux in that instance) is normally all it takes to start
the bells ringing (and not the tinnitus this time) and then I can
decide how far I want to play them and waste their time.

I did suggest to one that they 'sounded reasonably technical, why
don't you get a genuine job in IT support?' and their reply was that
there were none available.

Cheers, T i m

On 03/03/2021 13:04, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:00:48 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key
and R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind you,
most changes would be an improvement.

;-)

I really don't understand how / why most 'fully marbled' people could
/ would fall for any such things, unless they lived under a rock?

Unfortunately the BIL has lived under a (technical) rock and not long
after going online, fell for a scam and was tricked into moving a
large chunk of his savings into a 'safe account' (theirs of course).
Luckily he got it all back but ...

People read the papers, watch the news, follow social media where
warnings about this sort of scam are abundant but some still seem to
fall for it?

A telephone call from 'Windows Support' or 'BT Openreach' (from a
noisy call centre in India) telling me my BT broadband will be
disconnected (when I'm on cable) or that my Windows PC is compromised
(when I'm on Linux in that instance) is normally all it takes to start
the bells ringing (and not the tinnitus this time) and then I can
decide how far I want to play them and waste their time.

I did suggest to one that they 'sounded reasonably technical, why
don't you get a genuine job in IT support?' and their reply was that
there were none available.

Cheers, T i m
It is the only situation where I get to call them black *******s without
fear of prosecution...tee hee

On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 13:07:28 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
wrote:

snip

I did suggest to one that they 'sounded reasonably technical, why
don't you get a genuine job in IT support?' and their reply was that
there were none available.


It is the only situation where I get to call them black *******s without
fear of prosecution...tee hee

Oh, that must be very rewarding for you.

And did you know they aren't typically 'black' in India? (Not that you
would care just how accurate your racism was obviously).

Cheers, T i m

On 03/03/2021 13:04, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:00:48 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key
and R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind you,
most changes would be an improvement.

;-)

I really don't understand how / why most 'fully marbled' people could
/ would fall for any such things, unless they lived under a rock?

Unfortunately the BIL has lived under a (technical) rock and not long
after going online, fell for a scam and was tricked into moving a
large chunk of his savings into a 'safe account' (theirs of course).
Luckily he got it all back but ...

People read the papers, watch the news, follow social media where
warnings about this sort of scam are abundant but some still seem to
fall for it?

Because the scammers are adaptive. They know that people see the news
about online threats, so they just play up that aspect of their pretext.

If they can convince you they are your bank and they have managed to
identify a scam in progress, the background knowledge can actually help
them make the argument.


--
Cheers,

John.

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:17:58 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

People read the papers, watch the news, follow social media where
warnings about this sort of scam are abundant but some still seem to
fall for it?

Because the scammers are adaptive.

Of course and try to stay 'one step ahead' etc.

They know that people see the news
about online threats, so they just play up that aspect of their pretext.

But we have the 'don't give your bank / credit card details / PIN /
password to anyone who phones *you* rule that should deal with a fair
percentage of the scammers. Then you have the 'don't give anyone
(unknown / untrusted) remote access to your PC' group? Then you get
the bogus delivery type.

If they can convince you they are your bank and they have managed to
identify a scam in progress, the background knowledge can actually help
them make the argument.

Sure, but so easily thwarted by hanging up and *phoning them* on a
number you have or find (bill / Internet), not that they give you, on
another line if you distrust the dialtone.

But hey, given the amount of bank details I've seen blowing about from
fly-tipped household waste I'm not sure you would need to actually
bother the account holders at all! (And yet another example of how
some people seem ignorant of the advice and so risks (identity fraud
etc))? ;-(

Straight cut shredders anyone?

Cheers, T i m

"GB" wrote in message
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On 03/03/2021 11:40, Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't
find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to
her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


Thanks goodness you didn't push it. If you had pressed the windows key and
R at the same time, they could have taken over your soul. Mind you, most
changes would be an improvement.

I'm not convince that hairy legged cross dressing haggis
gorgers actually have soul. Black slaves never did have.

Dogs and cats too.

Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...

This is the "8000 errors scam". AKA "Tech Support scam".

"To access Event Viewer select the keyboard shortcut
Win+R, type eventvwr.msc and press the ENTER key."

The idea is, the victim sees the ton of error messages
and other useless tripe in the Event Viewer (which is
harmless stuff) and then the caller "asks for £200 to fix it".

Then they remote in and mess around.

All they want, is your £200. There never seems to be
any attempt to do more than that. You give them your
credit card number, and some tech support firm appears
on your next credit card billing statement, with a charge
for £200.

One of the larger scam outfits, got raided by the police
and shut down. But there is always another punter to start
a new one.

And don't taunt them. You might think it's clever to
swear at them or be rude, but you'll be sorry if you do.
They won't leave you alone if you do that. They can be
quite vile on the phone.

If they did get into the computer, then you should
clean C: (restore from a backup). Now, for £200 , I
can remote in and do that for you. I'm at 1-800-Ruin4PC.

Paul

On 03/03/2021 13:05, Paul wrote:
Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't
find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to
her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of
your computer ? ...

This is the "8000 errors scam". AKA "Tech Support scam".

Â*Â* "To access Event Viewer select the keyboard shortcut
Â*Â*Â* Win+R, type eventvwr.msc and press the ENTER key."

The idea is, the victim sees the ton of error messages
and other useless tripe in the Event Viewer (which is
harmless stuff) and then the caller "asks for £200 to fix it".

Then they remote in and mess around.

All they want, is your £200. There never seems to be
any attempt to do more than that. You give them your
credit card number, and some tech support firm appears
on your next credit card billing statement, with a charge
for £200.

One of the larger scam outfits, got raided by the police
and shut down. But there is always another punter to start
a new one.

And don't taunt them. You might think it's clever to
swear at them or be rude, but you'll be sorry if you do.
They won't leave you alone if you do that. They can be
quite vile on the phone.

sound like fun....

If they did get into the computer, then you should
clean C: (restore from a backup). Now, for £200 , I
can remote in and do that for you. I'm at 1-800-Ruin4PC.

Â*Â* Paul
oh well even the wife would not have been stupid enough to pay them .....

"Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message
...
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...

Nope, just a simple way of working out what sort of computer you have.

Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


That question tells us you are no brighter than you think you wife is.

On 03/03/2021 20:49, Radio Man wrote:
Jimmy Stewart wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:31, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...


That question tells us you are no brighter than you think you wife is.

You must remember I hate computers and have no interest in them in any
way .....

On 03/03/2021 11:40, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of your
computer ? ...

It opens up the Run window and allows you to run commands. Usually to a
system error reporter that is supposed to show thousands of errors in
error logs.
It is normal to have hundreds of 'errors' in the logs, they are not
dangerous errors, they will not cause any problems whatsoever. This is
just a prelude into you giving them remote access to your machine.

The scammers fall into 3 main camps:-

1) they just fiddle about in your computer, scrub the logs then claim to
have fixed the problem and bill you for the "Technical support"
2) They fiddle about, bill you and install some software that gives them
permanent access into your computer. At a later point your computer can
be turned into a workhorse for them, it can be turned into a remote
server for illegal content, music, movies or worse still child p orn.
Most people would never notice if a few spare Gb 'vanished' and they
lost 10% of their bandwidth. At best you may just be turned into a
computer for hire, Botnets are thousands of linked computers that are
hired out for dodgy purposes.
3) they just cryptolock your computer and charge you for the key.

I have baited a few to see what they do using a windows virtual machine
running inside linux. Mostly they just fiddle and try to charge. If I
refuse to pay they delete files. No biggie, the virtual machine is
disposable anyway.
Some install a payload.
Many open up remote access to let others in.
If I leave a text file on the desktop named "Passwords" it is amazing
how many people copy it.
I have only had one cryptolocker, just delete the VM and copy a new one.

Type 2 is really bad as kiddy content is traced back to your house, you
get raided and all your kit, every cd, dvd, computer, storage item etc
publicly removed into police vehicles. You may get away with it but to
the locals who witnessed the circus you will not be innocent you will
have "gotten off with it".

Andy

On 04/03/2021 07:24, andyW wrote:
On 03/03/2021 11:40, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

is pushing the windows key one of the steps to give them control of
your computer ? ...

It opens up the Run window and allows you to run commands. Usually to a
system error reporter that is supposed to show thousands of errors in
error logs.
It is normal to have hundreds of 'errors' in the logs, they are not
dangerous errors, they will not cause any problems whatsoever. This is
just a prelude into you giving them remote access to your machine.

The scammers fall into 3 main camps:-

1) they just fiddle about in your computer, scrub the logs then claim to
have fixed the problem and bill you for the "Technical support"
2) They fiddle about, bill you and install some software that gives them
permanent access into your computer. At a later point your computer can
be turned into a workhorse for them, it can be turned into a remote
server for illegal content, music, movies or worse still child p orn.
Most people would never notice if a few spare Gb 'vanished' and they
lost 10% of their bandwidth. At best you may just be turned into a
computer for hire, Botnets are thousands of linked computers that are
hired out for dodgy purposes.
3) they just cryptolock your computer and charge you for the key.

I have baited a few to see what they do using a windows virtual machine
running inside linux. Mostly they just fiddle and try to charge. If I
refuse to pay they delete files. No biggie, the virtual machine is
disposable anyway.
Some install a payload.
Many open up remote access to let others in.
If I leave a text file on the desktop named "Passwords" it is amazing
how many people copy it.
I have only had one cryptolocker, just delete the VM and copy a new one.

Type 2 is really bad as kiddy content is traced back to your house, you
get raided and all your kit, every cd, dvd, computer, storage item etc
publicly removed into police vehicles. You may get away with it but to
the locals who witnessed the circus you will not be innocent you will
have "gotten off with it".

Andy
WOW thanks for that explanation of what can happen......nasty things

In message , Jethro_uk
writes
On Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:26:44 +0000, Jimmy Stewart wrote:

Wife got phone call this moning fom Virgin media and the indian caller
in a busy call centre told her her computer was runing slow and she
could speed things up...wife didn't have her laptop on and couldn't find
her glasses so she hollered out the window to me in the font garden to
come in and speak to the wummin'....so I came in and spoke to her....she
asked me if I had my computer on and what was the key to the right of
CTRL....I told her FN and she said to push the windows key to the right
of that......at that point I twigged it was a scam and hung up....she
phoned back imediately and I hung up again....I assumed it was a scam
but the scarry thing was The wife would have fell for it....what info
were they after after they took over the computer ?

Who knows ? But they probably make a cent or two for every infected
computer they can deliver to the bot networks.

Crypto mining was in vogue a while back.

Does anyone want an iPad (or several)? Almost every day I get an
automated call from Amazon telling me that my account has been debited
x99 pounds ('x' varies) as payment for an iPad - and if it wasn't me who
placed the order to press '1' to arrange for it to be cancelled.

As I could do with a new iPad, each time I choose NOT to press 1, and I
simply wait for the message to end before ringing off. I therefore have
every expectation that I will soon be receiving whole a load of iPads.
[I note that, so far, no payments have been deducted from my bank
account, and I suspect that the iPad shipments might be being held up
because of our present Brexit problems.] However, if they DO eventually
arrive, I will only really need one - so would anyone like to make me a
sensible offer for the others (either individually, or as a job lot)?
--
Ian