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Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera.
A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 GMT, David wrote:
Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Search for digital binoculars or if you really want to pay for quality digital binoculars swarovskli -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:29:47 +0000, AnthonyL wrote:
On 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 GMT, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Search for digital binoculars or if you really want to pay for quality digital binoculars swarovskli But have you used them? -- Dell Latitude 7280 with Full HD and Thunderbolt (woo hoo) |
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On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote:
Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 26/02/2021 15:05, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. These always seem to be crap - the iris is never big enough so you always get a 'porthole' picture. I haven't tried expensive ones, but it seems like a normal binocular with a normal phone just isn't quite compatible. -- Cheers Clive |
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On 26/02/2021 15:30, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 26/02/2021 15:05, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. These always seem to be crap - the iris is never big enough so you always get a 'porthole' picture.* I haven't tried expensive ones, but it seems like a normal binocular with a normal phone just isn't quite compatible. realistically the limits on telephoto photography of this sort are camera shake, and in this contexts a DSLR with a VR telephoto is hard to beat Ive used 400mm prime on a tripod, but realistically 300mm is the limit on a hand held. Liek a sniper, the binocs are for spotting, the telehoto equiupped gun or camera is to take the shot... -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan |
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On 26/02/2021 15:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/02/2021 15:30, Clive Arthur wrote: On 26/02/2021 15:05, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. These always seem to be crap - the iris is never big enough so you always get a 'porthole' picture.* I haven't tried expensive ones, but it seems like a normal binocular with a normal phone just isn't quite compatible. realistically the limits on telephoto photography of this sort are camera shake, and in this contexts a DSLR with a VR telephoto is hard to beat Ive used 400mm prime on a tripod, but realistically 300mm is the limit on a hand held. Liek a sniper, the binocs are for spotting, the telehoto equiupped gun or camera is to take the shot... My 12x stabilised Canon binocs are not bad, although they are both heavy and bulky (and not cheap). Just a matter of time before they fit them with a phone-type camera I guess (or even two, for stereo). |
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One would have thought it would be easy these days with ccd camera chips and
whole assemblies being in phones. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "David" wrote in message ... Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote:
Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill |
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On 26/02/2021 18:32, williamwright wrote:
On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. |
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On 26/02/2021 20:22, ss wrote:
On 26/02/2021 18:32, williamwright wrote: On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. ;) Is she just the right height? My wife is a little short at 4'11-1/2" |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 26/02/2021 20:22, ss wrote: On 26/02/2021 18:32, williamwright wrote: On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. ;) Is she just the right height? My wife is a little short at 4'11-1/2" You need to trade her in on a replacement and choose more carefully next time. |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:32:40 +0000, williamwright wrote:
On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Cheers Dave R I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. So my longest lens (200mm) is roughly 4x natural size. My binoculars are 10x42 which gives a lot more detail. So 35mm camera doesn't have enough magnification (unless I want to spend several hundreds perhaps thousands on a very long lens) which is then only usable with a monopod or tripod and is also a big thing to lug around. Small format cameras with LCD screens on the back are fine if on a tripod and also not having bright sunlight shining on the screen. Ditto mobile phones. Both give pretty shaky results if hand held at 10x or higher. There is also the "just a minute while I dig out and power up and...****, missed it!" situation. Not really comparable to leaning it on your window cill. So, my use case is that I out walking in the countryside, am looking through binoculars, see something fleetingly visible and want to capture a picture. I have large and small cameras and a mobile phone with a decent camera but these aren't working for me. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:05:50 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. Doesn't really meet my use case (see answer to BW). Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:43:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/02/2021 15:30, Clive Arthur wrote: On 26/02/2021 15:05, John Rumm wrote: On 26/02/2021 13:06, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea* but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. Applying a bit of lateral thought, you can get adaptors to allow a phone camera to me mounted on a telescope of half a binocular. These always seem to be crap - the iris is never big enough so you always get a 'porthole' picture.* I haven't tried expensive ones, but it seems like a normal binocular with a normal phone just isn't quite compatible. realistically the limits on telephoto photography of this sort are camera shake, and in this contexts a DSLR with a VR telephoto is hard to beat Ive used 400mm prime on a tripod, but realistically 300mm is the limit on a hand held. Liek a sniper, the binocs are for spotting, the telehoto equiupped gun or camera is to take the shot... Also please see my response to BW up thread. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote:
Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. Anyway, there is the rest of the weekend. :-) Cheers Dave RF -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. Anyway, there is the rest of the weekend. :-) Cheers Dave RF what you are asking for is the binoc equivalent of an electric car that has a range of 600 miles and takes a few minutes to charge I'm afraid. Combining a decent camera with a pair of binocs seems to be a compromise so the manufacturers don't bother when they can make good quality cameras and good quality binocs as separate products. The only possible solution is this Pentax monocular that has a smart phone adapter, but it is only 6x https://www.ricoh-imaging.eu/uk_en/m...p-complete-kit The problem here is the smart phone might have anti-shake but will not allow for an unsteady hand holding the monocular. |
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On 27/02/2021 13:07, David wrote:
I get far better pictures of distant objects from my Nikon P600 than I can see through my Carl Zeiss 10 x 80 binoculars. I have the bins on my windowsill but I usually go and get the camera if there's something happening. I should mention that I have a very good view in that direction. I find that it's much easier to use the camera (with the screen) than it is to use the bins. You want to get a camera. Bill Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. Good grief! I spend some time writing a helpful reply and I get a snooty response like that! I'll rephrase it. Get a camera that will do what mine does. I did give you the model number, trying to be helpful. Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. So my longest lens (200mm) is roughly 4x natural size. Which is hopelessly inadequate for your purpose, just as my SLR with 200mm lens would be. That's why I pointed you towards a specific type of camera. Did you google it, and find out what the lens is capable of? Did you ****! Well I shouldn't have wasted my time. You can't educate pork. My binoculars are 10x42 which gives a lot more detail. Obviously. So 35mm camera doesn't have enough magnification (unless I want to spend several hundreds perhaps thousands on a very long lens) which is then only usable with a monopod or tripod and is also a big thing to lug around. That's why I didn't suggest a 35mm camera. Small format cameras with LCD screens on the back are fine if on a tripod and also not having bright sunlight shining on the screen. Ditto mobile phones. Obviously. But with a proper camera the screen is on a ball socket thing so you adjust it for the best viewing conditions. I usually use the camera at waist height and look down at the screen. There's no problem with glare or anything. Both give pretty shaky results if hand held at 10x or higher. Decent modern cameras have image stabilisation. At the longest focal length, which is the equivalent to 1,850mm on a 35mm camera, I can hand hold at 1/125 sec and get pin sharp results. And I've got essential tremor. There is also the "just a minute while I dig out and power up and...****, missed it!" situation. The camera is round my neck on standby. Soon as I touch it it's ready. Not really comparable to leaning it on your window cill. So, my use case is that I out walking in the countryside, am looking through binoculars, see something fleetingly visible and want to capture a picture. I have large and small cameras and a mobile phone with a decent camera but these aren't working for me. Like I said, buy a camera. Bill |
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On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote:
However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". That's exactly what I said. I even suggested a specific model number as an example. Bill |
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On 27/02/2021 13:52, Andrew wrote:
what you are asking for is the binoc equivalent of an electric car that has a range of 600 miles and takes a few minutes to charge I'm afraid. Combining a decent camera with a pair of binocs seems to be a compromise so the manufacturers don't bother when they can make good quality cameras and good quality binocs as separate products. He's not thinking outside his little box. He can see distant things more clearly through his binoculars that he can through any of his (totally unsuitable) cameras so he thinks, "It has to be binoculars with a camera built in." He won't even consider a camera. Blinkered thinking. Bill |
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On 27/02/2021 03:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. ;) Is she just the right height? My wife is a little short at 4'11-1/2" You need to trade her in on a replacement and choose more carefully next time. Much cheaper to make up a little plinth for her to stand on. DAMHIK. |
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On 27/02/2021 17:22, newshound wrote:
On 27/02/2021 03:47, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. ;) Is she just the right height? My wife is a little short at 4'11-1/2" You need to trade her in on a replacement and choose more carefully next time. Much cheaper to make up a little plinth for her to stand on. DAMHIK. Oh no, we are not going there - putting your wife on a pedestal is one step too far! |
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"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 27/02/2021 03:47, Rod Speed wrote: Bill Although not quite the same but I use my zoom (24) on the camera for viewing something of distant interest, Only downside is needing to steady the camera at that sort of Zoom....usually on top of my wifes head. ;) Is she just the right height? My wife is a little short at 4'11-1/2" You need to trade her in on a replacement and choose more carefully next time. Much cheaper to make up a little plinth for her to stand on. Much more viable to get her one of these hats. https://www.thefedoralounge.com/atta...d-jpeg.208170/ DAMHIK. DKEPPW |
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On 27/02/2021 13:07, David wrote:
Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. No, on a DSLR its a mild telehoto. 35mm is about natural size So my longest lens (200mm) is roughly 4x natural size. 6x. My binoculars are 10x42 which gives a lot more detail. I am saying that if you strap a hand held 400mm on a camera you will get blur. Or with fast enough film speed to go for uber short exposures, grain You can always enlarge a good lenbs image several toimes as well So 35mm camera doesn't have enough magnification (unless I want to spend several hundreds perhaps thousands on a very long lens) which is then only usable with a monopod or tripod and is also a big thing to lug around. staring from false prenises will always lead you to a false conclusion Small format cameras with LCD screens on the back are fine if on a tripod and also not having bright sunlight shining on the screen. Ditto mobile phones. Both give pretty shaky results if hand held at 10x or higher. There is also the "just a minute while I dig out and power up and...****, missed it!" situation. Not really comparable to leaning it on your window cill. So, my use case is that I out walking in the countryside, am looking through binoculars, see something fleetingly visible and want to capture a picture. ....Is a fantasy. I have large and small cameras and a mobile phone with a decent camera but these aren't working for me. Perhaps that should tell you something -- it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984. Vaclav Klaus |
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On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. No, basically what we are saying and indeed you are saying is that the best stuff for the job doesn't live up to your expectations. In short the world has unobligingly refused to deliver you your dreams. Try waking up? Guess why wildlife photographers don't wander around casually snapping at things with their 10x50s -- Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee, Ludwig von Mises |
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes On 27/02/2021 13:07, David wrote: Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. No, on a DSLR its a mild telehoto. 35mm is about natural size So my longest lens (200mm) is roughly 4x natural size. 6x. My binoculars are 10x42 which gives a lot more detail. I am saying that if you strap a hand held 400mm on a camera you will get blur. You can always enlarge a good lenbs image several toimes as well Or with fast enough film speed to go for uber short exposures, grain So 35mm camera doesn't have enough magnification (unless I want to spend several hundreds perhaps thousands on a very long lens) which is then only usable with a monopod or tripod and is also a big thing to lug around. staring from false prenises will always lead you to a false conclusion Small format cameras with LCD screens on the back are fine if on a tripod and also not having bright sunlight shining on the screen. Ditto mobile phones. Both give pretty shaky results if hand held at 10x or higher. There is also the "just a minute while I dig out and power up and...****, missed it!" situation. Not really comparable to leaning it on your window cill. So, my use case is that I out walking in the countryside, am looking through binoculars, see something fleetingly visible and want to capture a picture. ...Is a fantasy. I have large and small cameras and a mobile phone with a decent camera but these aren't working for me. Perhaps that should tell you something Speaking from a Brownie box camera expert POV. Is there a marketing opportunity here? What would be the practical difficulty of fitting a digital camera sensor to binoculars and leading the output to a socket feeding a storage device? I understand high magnification, camera shake and exposure time issues but can also see the originators point about the convenience of recording something only seen/found through using binoculars. -- Tim Lamb |
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In message , Tim Streater
writes On 28 Feb 2021 at 09:53:24 GMT, Tim Lamb wrote: Speaking from a Brownie box camera expert POV. Is there a marketing opportunity here? What would be the practical difficulty of fitting a digital camera sensor to binoculars and leading the output to a socket feeding a storage device? I understand high magnification, camera shake and exposure time issues but can also see the originators point about the convenience of recording something only seen/found through using binoculars. It's not for no reason that all those newspaper sports cameramen you see at matches have ****ing great lenses. If your binnies are 10 x 40, say, that's like having a 350mm lens on a digital camera (a proper sized one, I mean). The f-number of this will be very bad, meaning you have to operate it wide open (poor depth of field), or you have to crank up the sensor's ISO number (basically, turning the gain up) to an extent that, to avoid a blurry image due to camera shake, the image is noisy as **** (coloured speckles all over it). Yebbut. My ancient Olympus digital camera has a lens around 6mm diameter, and smaller still on i-phones etc. They still manage pin sharp images. The message seems to be that reducing the field of view, limits the light input and increases the necessary exposure time. ( I am not a photographer:-) Nevertheless, this doesn't seem to match the apparent performance of relatively cheap digital stuff. Remember that the eye+brain combo is very good at image processing, and binnies are very well suited for use with the human eye. In astronomy they have much larger optics for light-gathering and can, of course, track the target and keep the shutter open for long periods of time. Hand held binnies for snapping with *demand* a very short shutter exposure (without a tripod, anyway), and that would put huge constraints on the other things you can vary. I'm sure it's doable but not cheap. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 02:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. No, basically what we are saying and indeed you are saying is that the best stuff for the job doesn't live up to your expectations. In short the world has unobligingly refused to deliver you your dreams. Try waking up? Guess why wildlife photographers don't wander around casually snapping at things with their 10x50s Not used one, then? -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote:
Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dreamy-Bino...e-Watching/dp/ B07146ZMV6/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bewinner-Bi...e-Observation- Recording-default/dp/B08372RVPP Two very quick search results to show that binoculars with a camera are a product and not always expensive. I'm not proposing these two, just showing that the products are about. https://best-binoculars.uk/built-camera-reviews/ An example of a review site which gives opinions but doesn't inspire me with total confidence given the small number of devices reviewed. Still nobody who has tried one. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 28/02/2021 11:55, David wrote:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dreamy-Bino...e-Watching/dp/ B07146ZMV6/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bewinner-Bi...e-Observation- Recording-default/dp/B08372RVPP Two very quick search results to show that binoculars with a camera are a product and not always expensive. I'm not proposing these two, just showing that the products are about. https://best-binoculars.uk/built-camera-reviews/ An example of a review site which gives opinions but doesn't inspire me with total confidence given the small number of devices reviewed. Still nobody who has tried one. If it helps, I haven't tried one. There is an old lady in a house a few doors down from me. She hasn't tried one, either. :-p You need to find a read/write community of users. Bird watching is a major interest, so they should be forums for that, I'd expect. -- Adrian C |
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On 28/02/2021 12:05, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
You need to find a read/write community of users. Bird watching is a major interest, so they should be forums for that, I'd expect. https://www.birdforum.net/categories...ng-scopes.284/ -- Adrian C |
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On 28/02/2021 02:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/02/2021 13:07, David wrote: Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. No, on a DSLR its a mild telehoto. 35mm is about natural size wrong. 50/55 mm is correct for a 35mm film, or full-frame DSLR. 35mm is 'normal' for DSLRs with smaller sensors. A 50mm lens on an APS-C cmos sensor DSLR will be a slight telephoto https://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/le...ited-lens.html |
OT - binoculars with built in camers
On 28/02/2021 09:53, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher writes On 27/02/2021 13:07, David wrote: Kind of you to assume that I don't already have one. *Just as a hint, on a 35mm camera the 50mm lens is roughly natural size. No, on a DSLR its a mild telehoto. 35mm is about natural size So my longest lens (200mm) is roughly 4x natural size. 6x. My binoculars are 10x42 which gives a lot more detail. I am saying that if you strap a hand held 400mm on a camera you will get blur. You can always enlarge a good lenbs image several toimes* as well Or with fast enough film speed to go for uber short exposures, grain *So 35mm camera doesn't have enough magnification (unless I want to spend several hundreds perhaps thousands on a very long lens) which is then only usable with a monopod or tripod and is also a big thing to lug around. staring from false prenises will always lead you to a false conclusion *Small format cameras with LCD screens on the back are fine if on a tripod and also not having bright sunlight shining on the screen. Ditto mobile phones. Both give pretty shaky results if hand held at 10x or higher. There is also the "just a minute while I dig out and power up and...****, missed it!" situation. Not really comparable to leaning it on your window cill. *So, my use case is that I out walking in the countryside, am looking through binoculars, see something fleetingly visible and want to capture a picture. ...Is a fantasy. I have large and small cameras and a mobile phone with a decent camera but these aren't working for me. Perhaps that should tell you something Speaking from a Brownie box camera expert POV. Is there a marketing opportunity here? What would be the practical difficulty of fitting a digital camera sensor to binoculars and leading the output to a socket feeding a storage device? I understand high magnification, camera shake and exposure time issues but can also see the originators point about the convenience of recording something only seen/found through using binoculars. I am sure nikon could knock up something in the 5grand level or so But fitting autofocus auto exposure user selectable film speed , a memory card holder and a usb plug and vibration reduction in a pair of binocs would probably render them too heavy for usability, too expensive to risk and in any case inferior to a digital camera -- Of what good are dead warriors? Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners. |
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On 28 Feb 2021 at 11:41:13 GMT, "David" wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 02:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. No, basically what we are saying and indeed you are saying is that the best stuff for the job doesn't live up to your expectations. In short the world has unobligingly refused to deliver you your dreams. Try waking up? Guess why wildlife photographers don't wander around casually snapping at things with their 10x50s Not used one, then? I think when you use binoculars your postural muscles, arm muscles, eye muscles, eyes and brain are doing a highly complex job of image 'stabilisation' at several different levels and speeds which would be very hard for an internal camera to work with. I agree the OPs suggestion would be very nice to have. My guess is that it has been tried and found to be too hard. Users would be very disappointed if it only worked with static targets with the binoculars braced and not with the sort of moving target binoculars are so useful for. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 28/02/2021 15:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Feb 2021 at 11:41:13 GMT, "David" wrote: On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 02:59:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. No, basically what we are saying and indeed you are saying is that the best stuff for the job doesn't live up to your expectations. In short the world has unobligingly refused to deliver you your dreams. Try waking up? Guess why wildlife photographers don't wander around casually snapping at things with their 10x50s Not used one, then? I think when you use binoculars your postural muscles, arm muscles, eye muscles, eyes and brain are doing a highly complex job of image 'stabilisation' at several different levels and speeds which would be very hard for an internal camera to work with. I agree the OPs suggestion would be very nice to have. My guess is that it has been tried and found to be too hard. Users would be very disappointed if it only worked with static targets with the binoculars braced and not with the sort of moving target binoculars are so useful for. I don't see it being a great problem, when relatively cheap video cameras are offering both optical and digital stabilisation at zoom ratios far higher than most binoculars can achieve. |
OT - binoculars with built in camers
On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. I suspect if you have googled for what you seek, you will have found that there are no products out there that meet your particular requirements. Yes there are binos with inbuilt cameras, but many of them are limited to HD video resolutions, and don't make particularly good stills cameras. Now this is not just a case of the internet conspiring to hide stuff from you, or us just being mean, or not understanding your question. It's a reflection of the fact that as with many photography related things, its all about the compromise, and the binocular format places place significant limitations on the design of an embedded digital camera. In short it means you can't have what you want exactly, and a "proper camera" is likely to be the only option. As you highlight, a traditional DSLR and adequate lens is likely to be big and expensive to cart around, so the smaller integrated zoom cameras would probably be a better starting point. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 12:38:31 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: On 27/02/2021 13:14, David wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:06:45 +0000, David wrote: Anybody used a set of binoculars with a built in camera. A few times recently whilst on my daily exercise I've seen things through the binoculars which would have been nice to capture. Also seen birds, deer, a fox, hares etc. Has anyone used these things? Seems like a sensible idea but not much good if the quality is rubbish or usability is poor. OK. I suppose this is normal for the people on this Group trying to be extra helpful. However I haven't had one response saying "I've tried this and found it good/bad/indifferent.". Just loads of people suggesting that I get stuff that I have already got, but have decided isn't quite right for my use case. I suspect if you have googled for what you seek, you will have found that there are no products out there that meet your particular requirements. Yes there are binos with inbuilt cameras, but many of them are limited to HD video resolutions, and don't make particularly good stills cameras. Do you not think this would do a job? https://www.swarovskioptik.com/gb/en...h-spec/dg-8x25 -- AnthonyL Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next? |
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