What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!

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thread, into the fabric of their lives.€�

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:32:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X_Ot0k4XJc

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!



We've just had a flyer from our local BUPA care home, saying that they
welcome new residents. Or, at least, they would like to.

On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Although Brexit has introduced some barriers for imports/exports,
especially for live animal/fish transfers, how much of the difficulties
being reported is to do with Covid rather than Brexit?
Fewer officials working, need for multiple negative covid testing for
truck drivers, closed borders, massive disruption of the distribution
chain across the whole of Europe etc.

While it may suit some people to blame BREXIT for everything there is
another major factor causing problems and it wouldn't be much different
if we were still in the EU.


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On 30/01/2021 11:22, alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Although Brexit has introduced some barriers for imports/exports,
especially for live animal/fish transfers, how much of the difficulties
being reported is to do with Covid rather than Brexit?
Fewer officials working, need for multiple negative covid testing for
truck drivers, closed borders, massive disruption of the distribution
chain across the whole of Europe etc.

While it may suit some people to blame BREXIT for everything there is
another major factor causing problems and it wouldn't be much different
if we were still in the EU.


stuff is getting in but British exports are being deliberately blocked
with red tape.

To the extent that we could legally walk away from the deal if we wanted to.

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.




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true: it is true because it is powerful."

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

More worrying is the arrogance and hubris of the Commission, that I have
pointed out here before, but which EU-philes typically gloss over.
Perhaps they can see what I mean now.

Just what I'd expect from you. Try and turn a total balls up by this Tory
government by saying 'look what the EU has done'. Trump has gone Timmy.
Let's hope his 'logic' when answering a point has too.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:22:12 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

snip

Although Brexit has introduced some barriers for imports/exports,
especially for live animal/fish transfers, how much of the difficulties
being reported is to do with Covid rather than Brexit?

Or looking at it another way, how much more difficult has it (already
and in the future) made life more difficult for many *on top* of
dealing with Covid?

In hindsight, what percentage of the tiny percentage of those who took
the vote to Leave do you think might vote differently knowing 1) What
leaving actually means (hindsight, given not one of them voted for a
'known change') and 2) being in the middle of a pandemic where we
really can't afford any issues?

Cheers, T i m

On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just what I'd expect from you. Try and turn a total balls up by this Tory
government by saying 'look what the EU has done'. Trump has gone Timmy.
Let's hope his 'logic' when answering a point has too.


Just think how much better a Labour Government would have sorted it -
but being anti Brexit and/or sitting on the fence lost them so many
votes in the last election!

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Rather in the manner of the EUSSR's very own 'discard' system.

--
Spike

On 30/01/2021 12:14, T i m wrote:

In hindsight, what percentage of the tiny percentage of those who took
the vote to Leave do you think might vote differently knowing 1) What
leaving actually means (hindsight, given not one of them voted for a
'known change') and 2) being in the middle of a pandemic where we
really can't afford any issues?

In hindsight, what percentage of the tiny percentage of those who took
the vote to Remain do you think might vote differently knowing 1) What
remaining actually means (hindsight, given not one of them voted for a
'known change') and 2) being in the middle of a pandemic where we really
can't afford any issues like the EUSSR's dragging its feet for two
months only to sign the vaccine deal that was originally offered,
leaving the EUSSR far behind the UK in vaccine rollout and illegally
invoking a hard border with NI just to get its own way?

You couldn't make it up.

--
Spike

On 30/01/2021 11:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.


To the detriment of many EU companies that rely on exporting to the UK.

I've recently listened to reports where Dutch companies were complaining
about how Brexit could kill their business unless the EU commission
relaxed or amended some of the new rules.


--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

More worrying is the arrogance and hubris of the Commission, that I have
pointed out here before, but which EU-philes typically gloss over.
Perhaps they can see what I mean now.

Just what I'd expect from you. Try and turn a total balls up by this Tory
government by saying 'look what the EU has done'. Trump has gone Timmy.
Let's hope his 'logic' when answering a point has too.

I don't see how you could justify the Brexit deal as a balls up. It
seems you would be satisfied with nothing less than rejoining the EU.

On 30/01/2021 13:00, alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 11:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.


To the detriment of many EU companies that rely on exporting to the UK.

No, they are letting their stuff out. It's our stuff going in that is
subject to delays.

It is petty, it is deliberate and it will cost them a vaccine.



I've recently listened to reports where Dutch companies were complaining
about how Brexit could kill their business unless the EU commission
relaxed or amended some of the new rules.

**** EU!
In the end people will simply ignore the edicts and get on with life

Do you think if we air dropped 100,000 vials of vaccine into Holland,
the Dutch wouldn't use them?




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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:46:18 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

If we'd left with no deal I would have guessed about 2 years or so.
But we didn't and so these teething troubles will be fleeting by
comparision. I would guess maybe 3 months tops. A little bit of
disruption at the beginning will be well worth it in the longer term.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:43:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

stuff is getting in but British exports are being deliberately blocked
with red tape.

To the extent that we could legally walk away from the deal if we wanted to.

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.

I'm not sure about that. It would be most unwise for them and they
know it. It's really just petty needling on their part.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:51:48 +0000, Spike
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Rather in the manner of the EUSSR's very own 'discard' system.

Exactly. Funny how some people have conveniently forgotten about the
long-running wine lakes and butter mountains scandal.

On 30/01/2021 13:44, Paul Benton wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:43:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

stuff is getting in but British exports are being deliberately blocked
with red tape.

To the extent that we could legally walk away from the deal if we wanted to.

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.

I'm not sure about that. It would be most unwise for them and they
know it. It's really just petty needling on their part.

The EU is balancing the need to punish us 'pour encourager les autres'
with the damage it is already doing to its reputation and it's member
states.

It is not in any sense 'wise'


--
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community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"

On 30/01/2021 13:47, Paul Benton wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:51:48 +0000, Spike
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Rather in the manner of the EUSSR's very own 'discard' system.

Exactly. Funny how some people have conveniently forgotten about the
long-running wine lakes and butter mountains scandal.

The wine lake has re-appeared. Where wine growers want EU money to
distil it into something more useful.


https://www.politico.eu/article/coro...ampens-demand/

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:33:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 13:00, alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 11:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.


To the detriment of many EU companies that rely on exporting to the UK.

No, they are letting their stuff out. It's our stuff going in that is
subject to delays.

It is petty, it is deliberate and it will cost them a vaccine.



I've recently listened to reports where Dutch companies were complaining
about how Brexit could kill their business unless the EU commission
relaxed or amended some of the new rules.

**** EU!
In the end people will simply ignore the edicts and get on with life

Do you think if we air dropped 100,000 vials of vaccine into Holland,
the Dutch wouldn't use them?

I just heard some nutter on the BBC saying once they've done all the
vulnerable groups in the UK they need to pause and switch to
vaccinating the poor in the 3rd world. She doesn't seem to appreciate
that by that approach, not a single economically-productive person of
working age would ever be protected! Stupid cow. They seem to be
completely oblivious to the consequences of their loony ideas.

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).

I think you'll find the category affected are

one-man-band online retailers who, for whatever reason, don't sell via
Amazon marketplace

tim

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack
of
vaccine?
EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

but it seems that tariff-free only applies to wholesale import/export,

not retail import/export (and that's a normal WTO distinction not one
specific to this UK-EU deal)

That's the distinction that many small retailers aren't understanding here

On 30/01/2021 13:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/01/2021 13:00, alan_m wrote:

I've recently listened to reports where Dutch companies were complaining
about how Brexit could kill their business unless the EU commission
relaxed or amended some of the new rules.

**** EU!

In the end people will simply ignore the edicts and get on with life

Do you think if we air dropped 100,000 vials of vaccine into Holland,
the Dutch wouldn't use them?

LOL!

I'd been pondering bringing Bert Harris into the EUSSR vaccine scandal,
but that was brilliant.


--
Spike

In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just what I'd expect from you. Try and turn a total balls up by this Tory
government by saying 'look what the EU has done'. Trump has gone Timmy.
Let's hope his 'logic' when answering a point has too.


Just think how much better a Labour Government would have sorted it -
but being anti Brexit and/or sitting on the fence lost them so many
votes in the last election!

Just imagining the reactions of the meja if Corbyn had won the last
election and made such a mess of this pandemic in the UK as BoJo. They'd
have been baying for blood long ago.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Its what the majority of those who bothered to
vote voted for and you get to like that or lump it.

alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Although Brexit has introduced some barriers for imports/exports,
especially for live animal/fish transfers, how much of the difficulties
being reported is to do with Covid rather than Brexit?
Fewer officials working, need for multiple negative covid testing for
truck drivers, closed borders, massive disruption of the distribution
chain across the whole of Europe etc.

While it may suit some people to blame BREXIT for everything there is
another major factor causing problems and it wouldn't be much different
if we were still in the EU.



We import and export food and other things to countries outside of the EU.
We did before we joined we did while members and we are doing it now. The
problem isnt us.

tim... wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack
of
vaccine?
EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

but it seems that tariff-free only applies to wholesale import/export,

not retail import/export (and that's a normal WTO distinction not one
specific to this UK-EU deal)

That's the distinction that many small retailers aren't understanding here


You are confusing tariffs with VAT.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:08:21 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
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https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

"Paul Benton" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:43:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

stuff is getting in but British exports are being deliberately blocked
with red tape.

To the extent that we could legally walk away from the deal if we wanted
to.

The EU has essentially declared a trade war on us.

I'm not sure about that. It would be most
unwise for them and theyknow it.

But they do need to keep making it look very
bad to leave to discourage others from leaving.

It's really just petty needling on their part.

We'll see...

On 30/01/2021 20:40, Radio Man wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew
wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack
of
vaccine?
EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

but it seems that tariff-free only applies to wholesale import/export,

not retail import/export (and that's a normal WTO distinction not one
specific to this UK-EU deal)

That's the distinction that many small retailers aren't understanding here


You are confusing tariffs with VAT.



you tell him brian ....

On 30/01/2021 20:40, Radio Man wrote:
alan_m wrote:
On 30/01/2021 10:41, Andrew wrote:
On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack of
vaccine?

EUthanasia!


We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.
Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

Although Brexit has introduced some barriers for imports/exports,
especially for live animal/fish transfers, how much of the difficulties
being reported is to do with Covid rather than Brexit?
Fewer officials working, need for multiple negative covid testing for
truck drivers, closed borders, massive disruption of the distribution
chain across the whole of Europe etc.

While it may suit some people to blame BREXIT for everything there is
another major factor causing problems and it wouldn't be much different
if we were still in the EU.



We import and export food and other things to countries outside of the EU.
We did before we joined we did while members and we are doing it now. The
problem isnt us.

you tell him brian

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 13:05:41 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


We'll see...

NEITHER the UK NOR the EU are any of yours, senile Ozzie troll!

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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

"Radio Man" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew

wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack
of
vaccine?
EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

but it seems that tariff-free only applies to wholesale import/export,

not retail import/export (and that's a normal WTO distinction not one
specific to this UK-EU deal)

That's the distinction that many small retailers aren't understanding
here


You are confusing tariffs with VAT.

you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds

In message , tim...
writes


"Radio Man" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 11:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Jan 2021 at 10:41:03 GMT, Andrew

wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
What do you call old people in European care homes dying from lack
of
vaccine?
EUthanasia!

We are still European, just not in the EU any longer.

We knew this all along.

Going well for food and clothing importers and exporters (not).
Several cases already of seafood exports being delayed in
transit and sent to landfill.

These are issues that can be sorted out.

Err, they've had 4 years to sort things out. Just how much more time do
you need?

Quite and only recently has the EU agreed to tariff free access.

but it seems that tariff-free only applies to wholesale import/export,

not retail import/export (and that's a normal WTO distinction not one
specific to this UK-EU deal)

That's the distinction that many small retailers aren't
understanding here


You are confusing tariffs with VAT.

you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds

Which is something that Leavers always wanted to do?
--
Ian

On 31/01/2021 09:33, tim... wrote:


you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds


But if buying from the EU the purchase price of those items wouldn't
have include VAT. (Some) UK suppliers of goods to the EU are quoting ex
VAT prices for those customers.


--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

alan_m wrote:
On 31/01/2021 09:33, tim... wrote:


you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds


But if buying from the EU the purchase price of those items wouldn't
have include VAT. (Some) UK suppliers of goods to the EU are quoting ex
VAT prices for those customers.

'Duty' is not the same as VAT.

Before we left the EU VAT was charged by the seller and you were then
free to take the item anywhere within the EU 'duty free', nothing more
to pay.

Now that we are no longer in the EU you should be able to buy items
from EU sellers without paying VAT. You will then be charged VAT
and/or duty on importing to the UK.

It was always thus when importing items from outside the EU, you paid
both VAT and duty (if applicable) on imports.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green wrote:

Now that we are no longer in the EU you should be able to buy items
from EU sellers without paying VAT. You will then be charged VAT
and/or duty on importing to the UK.

Not quite, no VAT by the EU country, but for items under £135 (same
threshold as duty) the EU seller should add UK VAT at point of sale and
then pay it to HMRC.
It was always thus when importing items from outside the EU, you paid
both VAT and duty (if applicable) on imports.

For items over £135 that's still the case, plus a handling fee by the
courier. At least the new system should avoid VAT handling fees under
the threshold.

In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 31/01/2021 09:33, tim... wrote:


you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds


But if buying from the EU the purchase price of those items wouldn't
have include VAT.

They did if it was an 'inside EU' purchase


(Some) UK suppliers of goods to the EU are quoting ex VAT prices for
those customers.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
alan_m wrote:
On 31/01/2021 09:33, tim... wrote:


you have to pay duty on personal imports worth more than 135 pounds


But if buying from the EU the purchase price of those items wouldn't
have include VAT. (Some) UK suppliers of goods to the EU are quoting ex
VAT prices for those customers.

'Duty' is not the same as VAT.

Before we left the EU VAT was charged by the seller and you were then
free to take the item anywhere within the EU 'duty free', nothing more
to pay.

Now that we are no longer in the EU you should be able to buy items
from EU sellers without paying VAT. You will then be charged VAT
and/or duty on importing to the UK.

One seller that I have been using quotes without VAT and with VAT prices
and has been for many years' I assume they used to have many 'outside EU'
customers. (many more now, I suspect)

It was always thus when importing items from outside the EU, you paid
both VAT and duty (if applicable) on imports.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

Now that we are no longer in the EU you should be able to buy items
from EU sellers without paying VAT. You will then be charged VAT
and/or duty on importing to the UK.

Not quite, no VAT by the EU country, but for items under £135 (same
threshold as duty) the EU seller should add UK VAT at point of sale and
then pay it to HMRC.

Ah, that's where the £135 threshold comes in. Does this apply when
both 'shopping in person' as well as mail-order/on-line?

Auchan for example used to sell 'VAT free' to out-of-EU buyers if you
presented your passport at the till. Are they going to have to
differentiate between UK and other non-EU buyers? It seems a bit
unlikely, and how is it going to be policed? For mail order it can be
seen marked in some way on the packaging but if I buy loads of stuff
all over France and bring it home in my car what's going to happen?
There's a "bring it home with you" duty-free allowance but does it
match up with that £135?

It was always thus when importing items from outside the EU, you paid
both VAT and duty (if applicable) on imports.

For items over £135 that's still the case, plus a handling fee by the
courier. At least the new system should avoid VAT handling fees under
the threshold.




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Chris Green
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