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I have a preference for the Oxford jab. |
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I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? |
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I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other
one, then no real plan has been laid down, but most new centres tend not to have enough refrigeration for that first one so the ones at pharmacies and other places being added at the moment are the oxford one. A call in to the relevant health authority might give you more information, but to be honest does it really matter? Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "jon" wrote in message ... I have a preference for the Oxford jab. |
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I don't think that this is true. The vagaries of dose and the variation in
the virus makes this kind of testing very difficult to do. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote
I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down, but most new centres tend not to have enough refrigeration for that first one so the ones at pharmacies and other places being added at the moment are the oxford one. A call in to the relevant health authority might give you more information, but to be honest does it really matter? Yep given that the oxford vaccine is dramatically less effective. "jon" wrote in message ... I have a preference for the Oxford jab. |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote
I don't think that this is true. Yes it is. The vagaries of dose and the variation in the virus makes this kind of testing very difficult to do. Bull****. "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? |
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On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote:
I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Patriotic I suppose but that is probably what you will get by default. There is a lot of the AZ Oxford vaccine and a tiny amount of Pfizer in play. Given the choice I would prefer the Pfizer vaccine since I can see that it delivers a true 90% efficacy rather than a questionable 60% efficacy (boosted to 70% by conflating the 90% half dose under 50's cohort). When used in the elderly results in an under 50's cohort is irrelevant. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... But its less clear how much of that will be available early. |
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Fred wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... But its less clear how much of that will be available early. It sounds like the Moderna vaccine definitely won't be early, supposedly the delivery schedules of the other two are being kept under wraps so those pesky european countries don't lean on the suppliers to send us less and them more ... |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
FLUSH the cantankerous trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread
-- Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology: "You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays around around while you talk it to it. Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them to death." MID: |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:50:01 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: But its less clear how much of that will be available early. In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane trolling 86-year-old pest? -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
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On 15/01/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I don't think that this is true. The vagaries of dose and the variation in the virus makes this kind of testing very difficult to do. Brian Yesterday's episode of "More or Less" (BBC Radio 4, now on iPlayer) explained how the effectiveness figure is arrived at. If you use the same methodology there's little difference between the three approved vaccines, and one dose *is* highly effective. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r4t9 -- Reentrant |
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jon wrote: I have a preference for the Oxford jab. The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Good to know you have the facilities do decide for yourself which is the best one. How did you gather the data? -- *Your kid may be an honours student, but you're still an idiot. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/01/2021 11:12, Reentrant wrote:
On 15/01/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: I don't think that this is true. The vagaries of dose and the variation in the virus makes this kind of testing very difficult to do. Â* Brian Yesterday's episode of "More or Less" (BBC Radio 4, now on iPlayer) explained how the effectiveness figure is arrived at. If you use the same methodology there's little difference between the three approved vaccines, and one dose *is* highly effective. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r4t9 Isn't the unknown the effectiveness if the second dose is changed from within 3 weeks to within 12 weeks. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 15/01/2021 08:37, Andy Burns wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote: I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... According to one of the Government ministers the UK has ordered 300 million doses - but this includes vaccines that are still in the trial stage. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote:
I have a preference for the Oxford jab. is that the active one ? ..... |
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alan_m wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... According to one of the Government ministers the UK has ordered 300 million doses - but this includes vaccines that are still in the trial stage. I suppose there might be a difference between "secured access to" and "have ordered"? |
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The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. |
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Andy Burns wrote: Dave Plowman wrote: The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. Yes - that would be understandable. Given how difficult it is to store. The Oxford one will be more suitable for less than mass situations. Are you both in a bubble, or has he a driver who is? -- *A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. Yes - that would be understandable. Given how difficult it is to store. The Oxford one will be more suitable for less than mass situations. Are you both in a bubble, or has he a driver who is? We don't need to be in a bubble for me to take him to medical appointments where he's not allowed to drive, or needs someone to stay with him overnight afterwards, but he'll be OK to drive to get the jab. |
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On 15/01/2021 11:33, Tim Streater wrote:
On 15 Jan 2021 at 11:30:58 GMT, alan_m wrote: On 15/01/2021 08:37, Andy Burns wrote: Brian Gaff wrote: I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... According to one of the Government ministers the UK has ordered 300 million doses - but this includes vaccines that are still in the trial stage. They were *all* in the trial stage when ordered, weren't they? Yes, its not a criticism of the policy, cost or possible wastage. At the time no-one was sure of which one would be effective or if any could be produced within any reasonable time scale. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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Andy Burns wrote: Dave Plowman wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. Yes - that would be understandable. Given how difficult it is to store. The Oxford one will be more suitable for less than mass situations. Are you both in a bubble, or has he a driver who is? We don't need to be in a bubble for me to take him to medical appointments where he's not allowed to drive, or needs someone to stay with him overnight afterwards, but he'll be OK to drive to get the jab. Just that sharing a car might be one of the more risky situations - although I suppose you could drive with all the windows open. -- *Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 15/01/2021 11:51, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote: The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. My 90 year old mother was contacted last week about going to a centre for a jab. Unfortunately she is housebound at the moment - after a fall breaking her shoulder blade and leg she cannot get into or out of a car (hospital visits are via ambulance). She has been told that a home visit within two weeks is planned for the vaccination. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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wrote: On 15/01/2021 11:51, Andy Burns wrote: Dave Plowman wrote: The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. My 90 year old mother was contacted last week about going to a centre for a jab. Unfortunately she is housebound at the moment - after a fall breaking her shoulder blade and leg she cannot get into or out of a car (hospital visits are via ambulance). She has been told that a home visit within two weeks is planned for the vaccination. I received a phone call from our GP prectice to check that I had got a vaccine appointment. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 15/01/2021 08:04, Rod Speed wrote:
jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? Some article say immunity result were different because of alternative criteria of success. The numbers are 90, 94.5 and 95% for Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer respectively. Not much in it and in all cases likely to minimise symptoms even if not 100% effective. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...mpare-12134062 |
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:54:21 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/01/2021 08:04, Rod Speed wrote: jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? Some article say immunity result were different because of alternative criteria of success. The numbers are 90, 94.5 and 95% for Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer respectively. Not much in it and in all cases likely to minimise symptoms even if not 100% effective. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...mpare-12134062 According to people from Oxford etc. the AZ one has been in development for about 10 years, so not rushed out this year. I suppose that trials hadn't statrted befor Covid because there was no need for them. Also, there hasn't been a case (yet!) of anyone in the trials of AZ actually getting Covid that has been symptomatic. It would be my preference, especially with 12 wees to wait for the second dose and Pfizer not recommending that gap. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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charles wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: On 15/01/2021 11:51, Andy Burns wrote: Dave Plowman wrote: The three people I know, including myself all in the London area, that have already had the jab have all had Pfizer. Since March, dad has been having his regular injections done at home, he was expecting the nurse to bring the covid jab on her next visit, but he's just had a call to say he has to get it at an edge-of-town session, as he too will be getting the pfizer one. My 90 year old mother was contacted last week about going to a centre for a jab. Unfortunately she is housebound at the moment - after a fall breaking her shoulder blade and leg she cannot get into or out of a car (hospital visits are via ambulance). She has been told that a home visit within two weeks is planned for the vaccination. I received a phone call from our GP prectice to check that I had got a vaccine appointment. My appointment was made by my GP practice. Didn't have a letter etc from the NHS. All done by phone and texts. -- *I took an IQ test and the results were negative. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote: I have a preference for the Oxford jab. is that the active one ? ..... Only in the sense that its carried by an active monkey virus. Which has the real downside that the immune system reacts to that and becomes immune to that, which is why that vaccine isnt as effective and why an initial half dose works better. |
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Rod Speed wrote jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? Some article say immunity result were different because of alternative criteria of success. Thats bull****, there was no different criteria for success. The numbers are 90, 94.5 and 95% for Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer respectively. Thats bull**** with the Oxford. Not much in it There is a hell of a lot in it with the real Oxford numbers which is 62% for a full dose with both doses. and in all cases likely to minimise symptoms even if not 100% effective. Yes, but much less likely with the Oxford. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...mpare-12134062 Just because some fool journo claims something... |
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On 15/01/2021 17:00, Rod Speed wrote:
"Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote: I have a preference for the Oxford jab. is that the active one ? ..... Only in the sense that its carried by an active monkey virus. Which has the real downside that the immune system reacts to that and becomes immune to that, which is why that vaccine isnt as effective and why an initial half dose works better. heard because of my transplant I won't get an active one..... -- On FT8 nobody knows you're a dog ... |
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"Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 17:00, Rod Speed wrote: "Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote: I have a preference for the Oxford jab. is that the active one ? ..... Only in the sense that its carried by an active monkey virus. Which has the real downside that the immune system reacts to that and becomes immune to that, which is why that vaccine isnt as effective and why an initial half dose works better. heard because of my transplant I won't get an active one..... Then you wont be getting the Oxford. One of the yank ones or Pfizer for you. |
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On 15/01/2021 17:45, Rod Speed wrote:
"Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 17:00, Rod Speed wrote: "Jimmy Stewart" wrote in message ... On 15/01/2021 06:36, jon wrote: I have a preference for the Oxford jab. is that the active one ? ..... Only in the sense that its carried by an active monkey virus. Which has the real downside that the immune system reacts to that and becomes immune to that, which is why that vaccine isnt as effective and why an initial half dose works better. heard because of my transplant I won't get an active one..... Then you wont be getting the Oxford. One of the yank ones or Pfizer for you. ok thanks -- On FT8 nobody knows you're a dog ... |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 04:36:20 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
"Who or What is Rod Speed?
Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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writes On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:54:21 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 15/01/2021 08:04, Rod Speed wrote: jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? Some article say immunity result were different because of alternative criteria of success. The numbers are 90, 94.5 and 95% for Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer respectively. Not much in it and in all cases likely to minimise symptoms even if not 100% effective. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...oderna-and-pfi zer-coronavirus-jab-candidates-compare-12134062 According to people from Oxford etc. the AZ one has been in development for about 10 years, so not rushed out this year. I suppose that trials hadn't statrted befor Covid because there was no need for them. Also, there hasn't been a case (yet!) of anyone in the trials of AZ actually getting Covid that has been symptomatic. It would be my preference, especially with 12 wees to wait for the second dose and Pfizer not recommending that gap. At one stage it was stated that with the AZ vaccine it was the 2nd dose which was the more effective. They had discovered this by accident due to a mistake during the trials. The initial testing was 1st large dose, 2nd small dose but it only gave 64% immunity. When they reversed it the effectiveness rose to over 90%. I just hope they are not risking cocking the whole thing up chasing the numbers game for fleeting headlines. -- bert |
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writes On 15 Jan 2021 at 11:30:58 GMT, alan_m wrote: On 15/01/2021 08:37, Andy Burns wrote: Brian Gaff wrote: I have a feeling that as the first out of the starting block was the other one, then no real plan has been laid down The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... According to one of the Government ministers the UK has ordered 300 million doses - but this includes vaccines that are still in the trial stage. They were *all* in the trial stage when ordered, weren't they? Yup, that's why we are ahead of Europe. We checked progress at each stage as it went along. The EU would do nothing until the trials were completed. -- bert |
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writes alan_m wrote: Andy Burns wrote: The UK has ordered 40 million Pfizer, 100 million AstraZeneca and 17 million Moderna, sounds like enough for two doses each even if there's a bit of wastage ... According to one of the Government ministers the UK has ordered 300 million doses - but this includes vaccines that are still in the trial stage. I suppose there might be a difference between "secured access to" and "have ordered"? Ordered with the proviso that they would achieve approval. -- bert |
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On 15/01/2021 17:36, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote Rod Speed wrote jon wrote I have a preference for the Oxford jab. Why when it clearly produces a worse result ? Some article say immunity result were different because of alternative criteria of success. Thats bull****, there was no different criteria for success. The numbers are 90, 94.5 and 95% for Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer respectively. Thats bull**** with the Oxford. Not much in it There is a hell of a lot in it with the real Oxford numbers which is 62% for a full dose with both doses. and in all cases likely to minimise symptoms even if not 100% effective. Yes, but much less likely with the Oxford. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...mpare-12134062 Just because some fool journo claims something... Only a fool would choose to dismiss figures in quite a few publications and then say "Just because some fool journo claims something". |
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