In article ,
williamwright wrote:
On 28/11/2020 13:54, charles wrote:

so, my 400 mile, 7 hour, journey takes 4 days in an EV?


I'm half way Charles, and I have off-street parking and a 13A socket if
you need it.

Bill

In the words of my newsagent's son when I was late paying the bill "I know
were you live".
But, I haven't gome electric yet and may not for some time. I'm aiting for
a proper estate car. The MG promised one has a 6" drop between cill and
floor at the back.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 28/11/2020 13:54, charles wrote:
In article , harry
wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:01:02 AM UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
F wrote:

We may be in need of a 7kW EV charging point in the fairly near
future.

Anyone got any advice on makes, installers (I assume it's not DiY to
a competent DiYer),
To qualify for the grant they have to be installed by someone on the
scheme.

what to avoid,

Rolec?
what to ensure? It's all new to me.
There are specific requirements about earthing for EVs, possibly
requiring a separate earth rod, particular RCBO type and carefully
keeping apart the house earth and car earth.

There are now several chargers that do all the earth handling
internally, and might be OK for DIY e.g.

https://myenergi.com/product/zappi

Look at a couple of EV videos on youtube by John Ward or Artisan
Electrics.

You probably don't need one. Don't be taken in by the salesman, A slow
overnight charge from a 13a socket is all most people need. No-one runs
their battery to depletion, you only put back in what you've taken out.
Slow charges prolong battery life too. Work out where you're going and
power and energy needed. An overnight slow charge typically gives over
100 miles of range.

so, my 400 mile, 7 hour, journey takes 4 days in an EV?


8 days if you want the heater or a/c on:-)

--
Adam

On 28 Nov 2020 15:29:00 GMT, Tim Streater wrote:

OVO claim their customers can charge their cars with 100%
renewable
energy. I've asked them to explain just how that works but so
far no
response.

Presumably because OVO only buy their power from the renewable
generators. Just like a lot of the other suppliers do and claim. I
find it hard to believe that claim of "100% renewable energy" is
acuatlly true on a day like today with 70% of demand coming from
gas
and nuke.

I wonder if there is an advertisng standards case to answer?

Well one electron on the grid is much the same as another so it's all
******** anyway.

This is true. But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

Sainsbury's actual claim for their 100% tariff only applies over time,
not at any given moment ...

"We'll match 100% of the electricity you use on this tariff with the
purchase of Renewable Energy Guarantee of Origin (REGOs)."

"although its not possible to know whether the electricity that ends up
in your home is from a renewable source €“ we can guarantee that every
unit you use will be replaced on the network by a unit of renewably
sourced electricity. Beyond this, there are currently no additional
environmental benefits to this tariff."

On 28/11/2020 20:54, charles wrote:
In article , Paul
wrote:
charles wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 8:01:02 AM UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
F wrote:

We may be in need of a 7kW EV charging point in the fairly near
future.

Anyone got any advice on makes, installers (I assume it's not DiY to
a competent DiYer),
To qualify for the grant they have to be installed by someone on the
scheme.

what to avoid,
Rolec?
what to ensure? It's all new to me.
There are specific requirements about earthing for EVs, possibly
requiring a separate earth rod, particular RCBO type and carefully
keeping apart the house earth and car earth.

There are now several chargers that do all the earth handling
internally, and might be OK for DIY e.g.

https://myenergi.com/product/zappi

Look at a couple of EV videos on youtube by John Ward or Artisan
Electrics.

You probably don't need one. Don't be taken in by the salesman, A
slow overnight charge from a 13a socket is all most people need.
No-one runs their battery to depletion, you only put back in what
you've taken out. Slow charges prolong battery life too. Work out
where you're going and power and energy needed. An overnight slow
charge typically gives over 100 miles of range.

so, my 400 mile, 7 hour, journey takes 4 days in an EV?


https://www.foxbusiness.com/features...from-la-to-nyc

"The Drive editor-at-large Alex Roy and the cars owner, Daniel
Zorrilla, drove a Tesla Model 3 across country from Los Angeles to
New York City in 50 hours, 16 minutes and 32 seconds, setting
another Cannonball Run record for an electric vehicle."

"The pair drove approximately 2,860 miles from Redondo Beach,
California to its final destination, the Red Ball garage in New York
City, at speeds ranging from 120 to 140 miles per hour.

'We had a spotter plane flying overhead looking for police, rating
us the police locations, night visions, binoculars, scanner, its
like a military operation,' Roy said.

Roy and Zorrilla spent just over $100 in total charging costs and
kept the heater off in the car to save battery life. "

2860 miles / 50.25 hours = 56 miles per hour averaging in charge time,
while driving well over that speed on the
highway (120kph to 140kph)

Using those kinds of numbers, your 400 mile trip takes 8 hours or so,
just rounding a bit.


if there were guaranteed working & free charging points and if I had a
Tesla. I couldn't afford the spotter plane

Drones with HD streaming cameras are really cheap these days :-)

On 28/11/2020 23:36, F wrote:
On 28/11/2020 22:36, williamwright wrote:
On 26/11/2020 17:05, F wrote:
Don't bother replying: I killfile such as you.

Can't take it. The truth hurts.

Bill

No, the 'truth' doesn't hurt. It's the narrow-mindedness and desire to
score nonsense points that's the reason for killfiling him. There's a
whole host of 'schemes' which are beneficial to some that incur a cost
for others: ISas for example. Tax denied to the Exchequer that other
savings accounts would provide.

You still don't get it do you ?.

ISAs *ARE* open to everyone, but solar panel FITS are *NOT*
available to people who live in flats, listed buildings,
those in Conservation areas and unsuitable locations but all
these people are *forced* to pay more for their electricity.

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:00:55 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

snip

This is true. But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

Butwhatif there is enough green energy to *have* charged your car over
a period of time, even if there wasn't at that actual time, doesn't it
all balance out?

Say you have a bucket and you buy your water by the bucket from
'Mountain Water Ltd'. Because of the irregularity of supply of
mountain water (from 'Mountain Water Ltd' etc), they run it into a big
tank along with 'River water Ltd' and 'Rain water Ltd'. The resultant
'water' was the same, irrespective of who happened to help fill the
tank at any point in time.

As_long_as enough water was being supplied into the tank by mountain
water as was being sold by Mountain Water Ltd, when measured over any
realistic interval that covered the max and min levels of supply of
all the suppliers, then could it be said that all the people who
bought their water from any particular supplier, were actually buying
water supplied from that supplier?

The only time it would be an issue (as you say), is if there wasn't
enough water to go round, then *all* the customers might go short,
even if their particular suppler may have been able to supply
at_that_point_in_time, had the others not also used it.

Cheers, T i m

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 28/11/2020 23:36, F wrote:
On 28/11/2020 22:36, williamwright wrote:
On 26/11/2020 17:05, F wrote:
Don't bother replying: I killfile such as you.

Can't take it. The truth hurts.

Bill

No, the 'truth' doesn't hurt. It's the narrow-mindedness and desire to
score nonsense points that's the reason for killfiling him. There's a
whole host of 'schemes' which are beneficial to some that incur a cost
for others: ISas for example. Tax denied to the Exchequer that other
savings accounts would provide.

You still don't get it do you ?.

ISAs *ARE* open to everyone, but solar panel FITS are *NOT*
available to people who live in flats,

yes they are

provided that the management company can work out a scheme to share it


listed buildings,
those in Conservation areas and unsuitable locations but all
these people are *forced* to pay more for their electricity.

In article , Andrew
writes
On 28/11/2020 23:36, F wrote:
On 28/11/2020 22:36, williamwright wrote:
On 26/11/2020 17:05, F wrote:
Don't bother replying: I killfile such as you.

Can't take it. The truth hurts.

Bill

No, the 'truth' doesn't hurt. It's the narrow-mindedness and desire
to score nonsense points that's the reason for killfiling him.
There's a whole host of 'schemes' which are beneficial to some that
incur a cost for others: ISas for example. Tax denied to the
Exchequer that other savings accounts would provide.

You still don't get it do you ?.

ISAs *ARE* open to everyone, but solar panel FITS are *NOT*
available to people who live in flats, listed buildings,
those in Conservation areas and unsuitable locations but all
these people are *forced* to pay more for their electricity.
Rented accommodation, and those pesky poor people who never can afford
anything.
--
bert

In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On 28 Nov 2020 15:29:00 GMT, Tim Streater wrote:

OVO claim their customers can charge their cars with 100%
renewable
energy. I've asked them to explain just how that works but so
far no
response.

Presumably because OVO only buy their power from the renewable
generators. Just like a lot of the other suppliers do and claim. I
find it hard to believe that claim of "100% renewable energy" is
acuatlly true on a day like today with 70% of demand coming from
gas
and nuke.

I wonder if there is an advertisng standards case to answer?

Well one electron on the grid is much the same as another so it's all
******** anyway.

This is true. But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

You cannot control the flow of electricity through the grid. Just
because OVO buys all renewable energy doesn't mean that's where their
customers electrons are coming from - or should I say going to.
--
bert

In article , Andy Burns
writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:

But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

Sainsbury's actual claim for their 100% tariff only applies over time,
not at any given moment ...

"We'll match 100% of the electricity you use on this tariff with the
purchase of Renewable Energy Guarantee of Origin (REGOs)."

"although its not possible to know whether the electricity that ends
up in your home is from a renewable source €“ we can guarantee that
every unit you use will be replaced on the network by a unit of
renewably sourced electricity. Beyond this, there are currently no
additional environmental benefits to this tariff."
That's fair enough. No quibble with that.
--
bert

In article , Chris Hogg
writes
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:00:55 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On 28 Nov 2020 15:29:00 GMT, Tim Streater wrote:

OVO claim their customers can charge their cars with 100%
renewable
energy. I've asked them to explain just how that works but so
far no
response.

Presumably because OVO only buy their power from the renewable
generators. Just like a lot of the other suppliers do and claim. I
find it hard to believe that claim of "100% renewable energy" is
acuatlly true on a day like today with 70% of demand coming from
gas
and nuke.

I wonder if there is an advertisng standards case to answer?

Well one electron on the grid is much the same as another so it's all
******** anyway.

This is true. But the claim is "100% renewable energy". If more
renewable energy has been sold than there is actually available on
the grid at any given time (and your lights don't go out) then the
claim of "100% renewable energy" is false and misleading.

Don't they also claim to import it via interconnects? Probably no more
renewable than the home-grown stuff, but it makes it more difficult to
check up on.

It doesn't matter where they buy it they cannot direct it to your house.
They buy renewable energy and then charge you for what you use off the
grid.
--
bert