Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

I am reading through the arhieves on google. However not found the
exact answer yet.

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler


If this really needed ?

Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

On 7 Sep 2004 13:08:12 -0700, (Andrew) wrote:

Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

I am reading through the arhieves on google. However not found the
exact answer yet.

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler


If this really needed ?

Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

I think this is only for pressurised hot-tank systems.

"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

I am reading through the arhieves on google. However not found the
exact answer yet.

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler


If this really needed ?

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always been
under BCO control.

G&M wrote:

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always been
under BCO control.

Exactly what should the installer provide by way of
self-certification? I have the completed sticker on the hot
water cylinder and benchmark document for the Worcester Bosch
condensing boiler. I have asked for evidence of Building Regs
compliance (which I do not doubt) but further paperwork is not
forthcoming.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

"G&M" wrote in message ...
"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler

If this really needed ?

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always been
under BCO control.

I am in a similar position myself at the moment, scoping out a new
combi system for self install. From what I have read about the
building regs, my understanding is that they basically mean:

o TRVs for all but one rad / room
o Roomstat in the final location to switch boiler on and off and
minimise
short cycling
o Boiler has to meet minimum efficiency value

Is there anything else "significant" in there?

Cheers,

Mark

Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

You mention a plumber. If he installs the system and is CORGI registered (as
required by law), he/she may self certify the system as compliant without
involving the local authority.

Christian.

o TRVs for all but one rad / room
o Roomstat in the final location to switch boiler on and off and
minimise
short cycling
o Boiler has to meet minimum efficiency value

Is there anything else "significant" in there?

Hot tank insulation must be to regs including insulating pipework around
tank.
Short cycling must be prevented by the controls.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
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Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

You mention a plumber. If he installs the system and is CORGI registered
(as
required by law), he/she may self certify the system as compliant without
involving the local authority.

Christian.


I've just had our boiler replaced by a CORGI engineer. He left a completed
Log Book - on the front of this it states: "This log Book is to be completed
in full by the competent person who commistioned the boiler and associated
equipment and then handed to the customer. When this is done, the Log Book
is a commisioning certificate that can be accepted as evidence of compliance
with the appropriate Building Regulations." One of the items to be completed
is concerning building regulations.

Peter.

Chris J Dixon wrote in message . ..
G&M wrote:

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always been
under BCO control.

Exactly what should the installer provide by way of
self-certification? I have the completed sticker on the hot
water cylinder and benchmark document for the Worcester Bosch
condensing boiler. I have asked for evidence of Building Regs
compliance (which I do not doubt) but further paperwork is not
forthcoming.

Chris

Just a thought on all this certification paperwork. ..... But what if
you do come to sell your house in, say, 5 yrs time. The boiler/CH has
worked fine for the last 5 yrs so has everything else you've installed
or overseen installation of, and you do not have some 'magical'
paperwork. The couple come to look around your house, they're of
course very impressed with all the improvements you've carried out.
Then they ask for the paperwork for .... the boiler install. What are
you going to say? "Lost it" springs to mind. The same couple would
most likely be checking ....

o Gas hob installation cert via a corgi guy
o Windows were installed by a Fensa company cert
- Or if you installed it, a council building permission cert
o Electrical safety check cert. (If that gets the go ahead)

.... at the sametime.

IMHO all this certification is going mad, (Gas install via a corgi guy
excluded) If the "buying couple" do have issues with an item they can
get their own checks / survey / cert (Signed by M.Mouse) whatever,
else they can go else where.

Not that I've ever told someone to s0d off when they bought up this
subject :-P .... and guess what they bought the house, without any
checks. I just felt they were pushing their luck !

To end my ramblings, I'd say don't loose too much sleep over a boiler
refit or install certificate.

All of the above is IMHO, so if people do disagree don't get nasty.

- Oliver.

In article ,
(Oliver Brearley) writes:

Just a thought on all this certification paperwork. ..... But what if
you do come to sell your house in, say, 5 yrs time. The boiler/CH has
worked fine for the last 5 yrs so has everything else you've installed
or overseen installation of, and you do not have some 'magical'
paperwork. The couple come to look around your house, they're of
course very impressed with all the improvements you've carried out.
Then they ask for the paperwork for .... the boiler install. What are
you going to say? "Lost it" springs to mind. The same couple would
most likely be checking ....

o Gas hob installation cert via a corgi guy
o Windows were installed by a Fensa company cert
- Or if you installed it, a council building permission cert
o Electrical safety check cert. (If that gets the go ahead)

... at the sametime.

IMHO all this certification is going mad, (Gas install via a corgi guy

It looks like solicitors and mortgage lenders seem to agree
with you. A number of my collegues have moved in the last year,
and none were asked for such things. One letter I saw just asked
for details of any structural alterations and changes to underground
sewers/drains, and I think the others had something similar.
That seems quite reasonable. A year earlier and all sorts of
questions were being asked -- maybe it was just leading to sales
falling through for no good reason or maybe they're only interested
if you are borrowing near 100% so issues with any of these coming
up later if you default might mean they don't get all their money
back.

Has anyone here been asked to produce their hot water cylinder
certificate when they moved house in the last year?

--
Andrew Gabriel

"Mark Begbie" wrote in message
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"G&M" wrote in message
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"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler

If this really needed ?

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always
been
under BCO control.

I am in a similar position myself at the moment, scoping out a new
combi system for self install. From what I have read about the
building regs, my understanding is that they basically mean:



o TRVs for all but one rad / room

No - this is what many BCOs assume it means but it is not the case. In fact
the sooner TRVs go the way of dinosaurs the better. A programmable stat for
the living rooms and another for the bedrooms with temperature varying
during the day is FAR more efficient.


o Roomstat in the final location to switch boiler on and off and
minimise short cycling

Yes. But more than one roomstat is better.


o Boiler has to meet minimum efficiency value

Yes - and this minimum goes up next April.


Is there anything else "significant" in there?

Tank must be insulated.

Pipes 'outside the structure' must be insulated (this included the porch or
understairs if the system is in these as neither are habitable room)

Next year there will be a limit on the temperature at which hot water can be
dispensed (in a bath or all - not sure)

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. net...
Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

You mention a plumber. If he installs the system and is CORGI registered
(as
required by law), he/she may self certify the system as compliant without
involving the local authority.


He's supposed to send a copy to the building control department.

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:45:37 -0700, Mark Begbie wrote:

"G&M" wrote in message ...
"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
Looking through this group. It seems there is always someone asking
about combi boilers and more......

Someone said that I need to get building regs invovled if I'm
replacing my current hot water tank and boiler

If this really needed ?

Afraid so. New installations must meet part L requirements for heat
conservation.

Also gas and oil boilers are controlled items anyway and so have always been
under BCO control.

I am in a similar position myself at the moment, scoping out a new
combi system for self install. From what I have read about the
building regs, my understanding is that they basically mean:

o TRVs for all but one rad / room
o Roomstat in the final location to switch boiler on and off and
minimise
short cycling
o Boiler has to meet minimum efficiency value

Is there anything else "significant" in there?


Time and temperature control of the HW.
Stored HW cylinders to meet PArt L (insulation or cylinder and hot pipework).

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

Wow,

I think the way things are going we are going to need a new group..

uk.d-i-y.new-replacement.installs


Thanks for the replies on this.. Looking through I think I have some
idea.

The main thing I want, is that when I move (2 years or so) I want to
say "We installed a new heating system"

My guess is they will say "Show me relavent paperwork" I want to show
more than they expect.

So I guess something that said building regs and a signature would be
good

"G&M" wrote in message ...
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. net...
Is this something that will come to haunt me if I move if I don't get
it done, the plumber did'nt mention anything

You mention a plumber. If he installs the system and is CORGI registered
(as
required by law), he/she may self certify the system as compliant without
involving the local authority.


He's supposed to send a copy to the building control department.

"Andrew" wrote in message
om...
Wow,

I think the way things are going we are going to need a new group..

uk.d-i-y.new-replacement.installs

Or the removal of a certain deputy prime minister with a penchant for
putting fingers where they don't belong.