https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc

On 17/10/2020 11:37, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc

Except that Gogglebox seems to suggest that the problem
existed before lockdown.
What happened to the guy who was a taxi-driver or
chauffeur or whatever. The one who weighed 20+stone
and had a daughter who was almost the same size ?.

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

What happened to the formatting? Grammarly, copy / paste from
somewhere?

The one that really gets me and happens very often (on TV etc) is '3
am in the morning'? WTF do they think a.m. means?

'Very pregnant ...'

Cheers, T i m

On 17/10/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

What happened to the formatting? Grammarly, copy / paste from
somewhere?

The one that really gets me and happens very often (on TV etc) is '3
am in the morning'? WTF do they think a.m. means?

'Very pregnant ...'

Cheers, T i m


totly fecked

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 15:27:24 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

What happened to the formatting? Grammarly, copy / paste from
somewhere?

The one that really gets me and happens very often (on TV etc) is '3
am in the morning'? WTF do they think a.m. means?

'Very pregnant ...'

Cheers, T i m

I didn't expect anyone to read my quote, still less to have any curiosity as to where it came from!

https://www.gsbe.co.uk/style-clichss...verbosity.html

At home, we tend to talk about times like 17 o'clock. Am amazed how the 12-hour format remains so prevalent. It is crazy in this online world.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

snip

I didn't expect anyone to read my quote,

Ah, well, you might be surprised who might read what you type here,
those who don't treat it like ****ter especially. ;-)

still less to have any curiosity as to where it came from!

For me it was more the formatting that suggested it had either be
post-processed somewhere or copied and pasted (and not typical of you
etc). ;-)

https://www.gsbe.co.uk/style-clichss...verbosity.html

Handy.

At home, we tend to talk about times like 17 o'clock.

Yes, I imagine you might ... ;-)

Am amazed how the 12-hour format remains so prevalent. It is crazy in this online world.

But many people, especially the older people don't live in this online
world, this is just a world they dip into now and again for specific
things?

Cheers, T i m

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:48:49 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

snip

I didn't expect anyone to read my quote,

Ah, well, you might be surprised who might read what you type here,
those who don't treat it like ****ter especially. ;-)

still less to have any curiosity as to where it came from!

For me it was more the formatting that suggested it had either be
post-processed somewhere or copied and pasted (and not typical of you
etc). ;-)

https://www.gsbe.co.uk/style-clichss...verbosity.html

Handy.

At home, we tend to talk about times like 17 o'clock.

Yes, I imagine you might ... ;-)

Well, it is with a smile.

Am amazed how the 12-hour format remains so prevalent. It is crazy in this online world.

But many people, especially the older people don't live in this online
world, this is just a world they dip into now and again for specific
things?

But good old British Rail starting using 24-hour clock an awfully long time ago. :-) In fact, most travel.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 15:27:24 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

What happened to the formatting? Grammarly, copy / paste from
somewhere?

The one that really gets me and happens very often (on TV etc) is '3
am in the morning'? WTF do they think a.m. means?

'Very pregnant ...'

Cheers, T i m

I didn't expect anyone to read my quote, still less to have any curiosity as to where it came from!

https://www.gsbe.co.uk/style-clichss...verbosity.html

At home, we tend to talk about times like 17 o'clock. Am amazed how the 12-hour format remains so prevalent. It is crazy in this online world.

Somehow I prefer that - the 25h way of giving times is too long-winded and
too precise: oh-eight-hundred-hours versus eight, with morning etc. if
needed. Most day-to-day times don't matter a damn to a minute or few, that's
one reason that I like analogue clocks - I don't want to know the time of
day, just how long until..., so a quick glance for how long 'til the 'bus
goes is enough.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Sunday, 18 October 2020 09:49:26 UTC+1, PeterC wrote:


Somehow I prefer that - the 25h way of giving times is too long-winded and
too precise: oh-eight-hundred-hours versus eight, with morning etc. if
needed. Most day-to-day times don't matter a damn to a minute or few, that's
one reason that I like analogue clocks - I don't want to know the time of
day, just how long until..., so a quick glance for how long 'til the 'bus
goes is enough.

It just started one day, years ago, I think one of us started to say eighteen-hundred - and just diverted to saying 18 o'clock because we got bored with the overly pedantic feeling of that halfway through saying it.

I can't see any reason NOT to say "o'clock". (Except the literal failure to display 13 to 24 on a physical 12-hour clock!)

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?

In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

Descend down to the valley below
08:00 am in the morning
I actually had the latter sent to me on a form.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 17/10/2020 13:43, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.

so....very true ....

There is an objectionable advert going at the moment in which somebody is
said to be Nose blind. For a start, Noses do not have eyes, and I am not
really liking the negative spin on the word blind either.
odour impaired, maybe?
Brian

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On Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:38:01 UTC+1, Jim GM4 DHJ ... wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQkwPMnCqc
Why "very true"? What does that phrasing mean which would not have been
conveyed by "true"?


In everyday speech and informal writing, emphatic pleonasms are often
acceptable. For example, a letter ending with Thanks for your help; I
really appreciate it, is entirely forgivable, just as we might
legitimately stress that something is absolutely essential, completely
unnecessary,
extremely urgent or very true. But in formal scripts, pleonasms generally
give the impression of weak writing skills and serve only to fill valuable
space with dross.