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Euro locks - key blocking
I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them
and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? -- Roland Perry |
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On Friday, 9 October 2020 at 09:48:28 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? -- Roland Perry Yes the same happens with ours cannot say if it is a bug or a feature but I suspect few manufacturers will admit it is not a feature. Richard |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? That's the default. Possibly for security. But you can chenge the cylinder for an Anto Lockout one. https://www.handlestore.com/locks/an...euro-cylinders -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. There aren't many locks where you can insert a key from the outside if there is a key on the inside. The standard locks fitted to patio doors etc will accept the second key - it feels as if it has gone all the way in - but it will not turn if there is a key on the other side. Several times when I've gone out to do the shopping and left my wife working from home, she has put the key on the inside after I've gone (even though I've locked the key from the outside and left the inside key out of the lock), which means I get back and find myself locked out - until I can make myself heard by knocking/ringing. Now I tend to leave *two* doors with no key in them, so if the front door is blocked by a key in the lock, there's always the back door. |
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On 09/10/2020 09:12, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? That's the default. Possibly for security. But you can chenge the cylinder for an Anto Lockout one. https://www.handlestore.com/locks/an...euro-cylinders They don't meet TS007, though, none of the Auto Lockout ones do. -- Spike |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 10:16:47 +0100, NY wrote:
There aren't many locks where you can insert a key from the outside if there is a key on the inside. The standard locks fitted to patio doors etc will accept the second key - it feels as if it has gone all the way in - but it will not turn if there is a key on the other side. Change the cylinder for an Anti Lockout one. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Well most locks have been that way for many years. That is why if I go out
of the back I take the key out. Brian -- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 10:16:47 on Fri, 9 Oct 2020,
NY remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. There aren't many locks where you can insert a key from the outside if there is a key on the inside. My current house is the first time I've noticed this. The standard locks fitted to patio doors etc will accept the second key - it feels as if it has gone all the way in - but it will not turn if there is a key on the other side. Several times when I've gone out to do the shopping and left my wife working from home, she has put the key on the inside after I've gone (even though I've locked the key from the outside and left the inside key out of the lock), which means I get back and find myself locked out - until I can make myself heard by knocking/ringing. Welcome to my world:) Now I tend to leave *two* doors with no key in them, so if the front door is blocked by a key in the lock, there's always the back door. My house is on a rather narrow plot and there's no side passage. It's a three minute walk round the block (the back gate is on a different street) to get from one outside door to the other. -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. Thomas |
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"Thomas Prufer" wrote in message
... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. |
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In message , at 13:18:40 on
Fri, 9 Oct 2020, Thomas Prufer remarked: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. Mine are Ultion 3-star (45 retail each, apparently) -- Roland Perry |
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On 09/10/2020 12:23, NY wrote:
snip It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. They may also have thought it wd not be better in some rarer but important cases: eg you lost a key with your address and haven't had time to get the lock changed; you've a violent partner you want to keep out for a while; you don't want to be caught in the act. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:40 +0200, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. Anti Lockout ones seem to start at about 15 quid. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 13:18:40 +0200, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. Thomas With my old 5-'lever' locks I was able to shorten the keys a bit and it /just/ worked, but it was fraught: the shortened keys were marginal on unlocking and the clearance was so small that it didn't always work. The risk was too great, especially as locking was less unreliable than unlocking! The current 6-lever ones can't be done that way. The only way is to leave the inside key dead upright so that it can be pushed back and perhaps withdraw it by a notch. It's still in the lock for emergencies and the lock can be operated from outside. I have a couple of thumb-turn locks but they don't have a deadlock position. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote:
I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. |
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On 09/10/2020 16:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote: On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. The problem (or "problem") with that is if someone breaks in when you are out, they simply open the front door to exit. Advice used to be that once someone had broken in it was better not to impede their escape because of risk of further damage or confrontation - I assume that's still the case. I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... This is provided by a thumb turn lock |
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Jethro_uk wrote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote: On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. The problem (or "problem") with that is if someone breaks in when you are out, they simply open the front door to exit. Well if you leave the key in the lock what is the difference? I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... -- John Bryan |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote:
On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. That's OK unless the door has a glass panel. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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In message , at 15:33:27 on Fri, 9 Oct
2020, Jethro_uk remarked: On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote: On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. The problem (or "problem") with that is if someone breaks in when you are out, they simply open the front door to exit. I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... The second one is more to do with the way the doors work, than the lock. Almost all uPVC doors require you to lift the handle up to engage the (usually multiple) bolts. -- Roland Perry |
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Jethro_uk Wrote in message:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote: On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. The problem (or "problem") with that is if someone breaks in when you are out, they simply open the front door to exit. I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... Your sons door won't be "locked" in that instance though will it? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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In message , at 07:16:52 on Sat, 10 Oct
2020, Jethro_uk remarked: I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... The second one is more to do with the way the doors work, than the lock. Almost all uPVC doors require you to lift the handle up to engage the (usually multiple) bolts. And ? The multiple bolts make the door close more firmly and keeps out draughts. More secure too. No different to the fact that the traditional front door had a level action lock as well as the Yale lock with latch. Very different - that's just one bolt. Just lazy design and marketing. If you want *only* a Yale lock, I suppose you could fit one, and disable the door's normal locking mechanisms. -- Roland Perry |
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Jethro_uk Wrote in message:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 08:24:40 +0100, Jimk wrote: Jethro_uk Wrote in message: On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 15:29:25 +0100, nothanks wrote: On 09/10/2020 09:42, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? If you're going to change the cylinder then get one with a "thumb turn" so you don't need to leave a key anywhere near the inside of the door. The problem (or "problem") with that is if someone breaks in when you are out, they simply open the front door to exit. I am astounded at how easy it's been for uPVC door/lock manufacturers to completely and utterly get most of the population to throw away 2 basic design features of Yale locks with nary a whisper. (I know this because when we fitted our firs uPVC door I posted here about them to a general "You what ?" from everyone ...) 1) - the fact you need a key to lock it from the inside 2) - the lack of a latch as standard so you can close the door locked without needing a key. The second I asked a few fitters about to a blank look. Although I note with satisfaction that my sons front door does have one ... Your sons door won't be "locked" in that instance though will it? No, but the same as a traditional Yale lock - no key, no entry. So why does anyone bother with multipoint locks ? Hmmmmmm...... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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"NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... On 09/10/2020 12:23, NY wrote: snip It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. They may also have thought it wd not be better in some rarer but important cases: eg you lost a key with your address and haven't had time to get the lock changed; you've a violent partner you want to keep out for a while; you don't want to be caught in the act. so just install separate door bolts |
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In article , tim...
wrote: "NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 12/10/2020 11:06, charles wrote:
If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. Plod is thick isn't he? -- Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles * M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie * Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire |
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In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 12/10/2020 11:06, charles wrote: If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. Plod is thick isn't he? actually, no. I kow him quite well. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:06:08 +0100, charles wrote:
In article , tim... wrote: "NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. Or if the door itself has even a small window. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"charles" wrote in message
... If someone has broken in via a window, an easy-open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill-gotten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. When someone broke into my parents' house, my mum is sure she disturbed the burglars. She got back and found that the Yale lock in the front door wouldn't open, so she went round the back to try the back door - which was locked but she was able to unlock it. She found the front door now wide open, and some cash missing from a drawer in the bedroom. Seems that the burglars had locked the front door to give themselves some warning of when the owner came home, and then made their escape while my mum went round the back. My grandma was sitting in the car by the front door and saw nothing of the men passing right by her... I remember we all had to go down to the local police station to be fingerprinted so our prints could be eliminated from ones that the SOCO took - this was in the days when break-ins were still investigated by the police. It seems that the burglars were very small or had used a child to gain entry, because the window where they got in was a small fanlight at the top of a window frame round the back: dad had removed the catch the day before while he repainted the window, and had left the window closed but unlocked, planning to refit the catch once the paint was fully dry. The insurance company said this window was so small that they didn't consider it as "leaving the house insecure". |
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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:32:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/10/2020 11:06, charles wrote: If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. Plod is thick isn't he? Strikes me as sound advice. Someone leaving via the front door is invisible, whereas someone exiting via a broken window is a tad more conspicious. Certainly it was one reason why I didn't fit thumbturns to our doors. Surely there aren't many houses actually left in a state where you can't leave without 'breaking out'. I know it's recommended but in the real world does one ever actually make a house that secure? It is also rather dangerous unless you *always* unlock all the locked windows and doors when you return so that escape in an emergency is easier. -- Chris Green · |
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In message , at 12:41:34 on Mon, 12
Oct 2020, Chris Green remarked: Jethro_uk wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:32:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 12/10/2020 11:06, charles wrote: If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. Plod is thick isn't he? Strikes me as sound advice. Someone leaving via the front door is invisible, whereas someone exiting via a broken window is a tad more conspicious. Certainly it was one reason why I didn't fit thumbturns to our doors. Surely there aren't many houses actually left in a state where you can't leave without 'breaking out'. Especially as new windows fitted since ? are supposed to have escape mechanisms [in case of fire]. I know it's recommended but in the real world does one ever actually make a house that secure? It is also rather dangerous unless you *always* unlock all the locked windows and doors when you return so that escape in an emergency is easier. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
Chris Green wrote: Surely there aren't many houses actually left in a state where you can't leave without 'breaking out'. Especially as new windows fitted since ? * are supposed to have escape mechanisms [in case of fire]. A window that can be locked, and the key removed still meets the requirement of an "escape window" providing it it large enough and can be retained open without being needing to be held. |
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In message , at 11:10:47 on Tue, 13
Oct 2020, Andy Burns remarked: Roland Perry wrote: Chris Green wrote: Surely there aren't many houses actually left in a state where you can't leave without 'breaking out'. Especially as new windows fitted since ? * are supposed to have escape mechanisms [in case of fire]. A window that can be locked, and the key removed still meets the requirement of an "escape window" providing it it large enough and can be retained open without being needing to be held. Finding it hard to parse that. Are you saying an escape window can be locked closed, and the key discarded, meaning it's no longer possible to use it for escaping? -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: A window that can be locked, and the key removed still meets the requirement of an "escape window" providing it it large enough and can be retained open without being needing to be held. Finding it hard to parse that. Are you saying an escape window can be locked closed, and the key discarded, meaning it's no longer possible to use it for escaping? yes. Building regs, document B1, Section 2.10 |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
... Roland Perry wrote: Andy Burns wrote: A window that can be locked, and the key removed still meets the requirement of an "escape window" providing it it large enough and can be retained open without being needing to be held. Finding it hard to parse that. Are you saying an escape window can be locked closed, and the key discarded, meaning it's no longer possible to use it for escaping? yes. Building regs, document B1, Section 2.10 So the only way to escape through it is to break the glass and clear the broken glass away from the frame so you can climb through it. And that's classed as "an escape window"? That building reg would seem to be utterly absurd ;-) |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: "NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. horses for courses If there's only one permanent occupant of the house, then there's no possibility of you leaving the key on the inside in the first place, so key lock on the inside works OTOH, if there's a possibility of someone being in the house when other occupant is out, there MUST be a way of easily opening the door from the inside in case of fire - either a thumb wheel or easily accessible key, so ANO Burglar could use that as well if you want 100% security when everyone is out of the house install a second lock, only accessible from the outside tim |
Euro locks - key blocking
On 2020-10-14, tim... wrote:
"charles" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: "NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. horses for courses If there's only one permanent occupant of the house, then there's no possibility of you leaving the key on the inside in the first place, so key lock on the inside works OTOH, if there's a possibility of someone being in the house when other occupant is out, there MUST be a way of easily opening the door from the inside in case of fire - either a thumb wheel or easily accessible key, so ANO Burglar could use that as well if you want 100% security when everyone is out of the house install a second lock, only accessible from the outside But that's a severe risk in the (unlikely) event you're mistaken about the house being empty when you go out. IMO one of the biggest common security risks in this country is letter slots in the door. |
Euro locks - key blocking
"Adam Funk" wrote in message ... On 2020-10-14, tim... wrote: "charles" wrote in message ... In article , tim... wrote: "NY" wrote in message ... "Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:42:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I've got some Euro locks on external doors, but people keep locking them and leaving the key on the inside. This means I can't put a key fully in from the outside to unlock it. Is this a bug or a feature? Feature. This can be changed by a locksmith in the more expensive cylinders, i.e. Kaba, Keso etc. It would have been better if those locks had been designed so you *can* put a key in from the outside and open the door, while still leaving a second key in the inside lock in case you need to exit in an emergency. They could have a slide-latch which disables opening from the outside if required for extra security when you know that everyone who lives in the house is safely inside. or just install one with a thumb turn on the inside there's no need to have a key-lockable lock on the inside If someone has broken in via a window, an easy=open door makes it far easier to escape with his ill=gottten goods. Advice from our local Police Crime Prevention Officer. horses for courses If there's only one permanent occupant of the house, then there's no possibility of you leaving the key on the inside in the first place, so key lock on the inside works OTOH, if there's a possibility of someone being in the house when other occupant is out, there MUST be a way of easily opening the door from the inside in case of fire - either a thumb wheel or easily accessible key, so ANO Burglar could use that as well if you want 100% security when everyone is out of the house install a second lock, only accessible from the outside But that's a severe risk in the (unlikely) event you're mistaken about the house being empty when you go out. You don't use it every time you all go out I only use my secondary deadlock when I am off for a (three week) holiday and the pile of bags by the door is a clue that everybody has left the house |
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