Looking at a ceiling rose there are three sets of connector blocks labeled
live, loop and neutral - 2/3/2 respectively. This is fine if you have a
light/switch, light/switch setup, say, but if you're wanting two lights
operated from the same switch where does the live wire go that feeds the
second light? Top folks on here helped me understand how to wire it all up
- that's not the problem. The problem is that the live connector (live out
to socket, live in from switch) has only two connectors and I have three
wires (one goes to the second light). I could just bung two wires in one
connector but I'd worry about the connection being sound. I could just use
the live connectors for the loop wiring (live in, live out to switch) and
the loop connectors for the live out to socket, live in from switch, live
out to second light. However, this would be non-standard, plus the labeling
in the rose would be wrong (misleading). I'd worry about killing some poor
electrician/DIYer in the future because I've made a set of connectors
permanently live that shouldn't be :-S Thoughts?

--
john

"Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what
they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand." -
Putt's Law

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

Agree. Or wire the connection from the rose to a junction box and feed the
lights from that.

--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Martin"
strung together this:


"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

Agree. Or wire the connection from the rose to a junction box and feed the
lights from that.

But you end up with even more cables per terminal then, and a lot more
work, and ripping up floorboards for no real reason. If you llike
doing excessive amounts of diy though...
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

(Lurch) wrote in news:404782e0.116408646@news-
text.dsl.pipex.com:

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

You've noticed huh Why they dont add an extra connector - 3/3/2 - I dont
know. Plenty of room for one.

Thanks.

--
john

"Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what
they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand." -
Putt's Law

(Lurch) wrote in
:

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:10:12 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Martin"
strung together this:


"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:23:43 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

Agree. Or wire the connection from the rose to a junction box and
feed the lights from that.

But you end up with even more cables per terminal then, and a lot more
work, and ripping up floorboards for no real reason. If you llike
doing excessive amounts of diy though...

All the wiring is accessible, thankfully. It's all in the cellar. Probably
best to keep the complexity of the job to a minimum though

--
john

"Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what
they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not understand." -
Putt's Law

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:54:28 GMT, in uk.d-i-y Sneezy
strung together this:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

You've noticed huh Why they dont add an extra connector - 3/3/2 - I dont
know. Plenty of room for one.

I briefly thought that once but in the olden days when they were
invented there was only loop in, loop out and switch. They only had
one light per room, no fans, outside lights etc.. and other items
tacked on the lighting circuits. This meant that there would be 1
switched live, 3 permanent lives and 2 neutrals, (1,3,2). Add the flex
either end and that's 2,3,3.
When I started out I did a lot of site work so all three lives went in
one terminal, both neutrals in another and the switchwire in t'other,
quickest way works a charm, and we were on price!
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

In uk.d-i-y, Lurch wrote:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

aolWhat he said/aol

Plenty of room for two 1mmsq wires in the one hole. Leave the outer holes
for the pendant flex, as the route for the strain relief is designed to
work best that way (you see those funny little "wings" towards the outside
of the rose? you're supposed to run the blue & brown wires of the flex
through those, so that the wires wrapping nearly 180degrees around them
take the weight of the lampshade etc., leaving the screwed electrical
connections without any force trying to pull the wires out over the next
5-10 years ;-)

HTH - Stefek

wrote in :

In uk.d-i-y, Lurch wrote:

I could just bung two wires in one connector

Do this one. You worry too much!

aolWhat he said/aol

Plenty of room for two 1mmsq wires in the one hole.

True but I was thinking about the screw. If the wires are on top of each
other will the screw exert enough force to stop the bottom wiring pulling
out? If the wires are side-by-side the screw might go down the middle and
push the wires against the sides of the hole. I worry too much, I think too
much I'll do two in one hole - I have your names if the house burns down


Leave the outer
holes for the pendant flex, as the route for the strain relief is
designed to work best that way (you see those funny little "wings"
towards the outside of the rose? you're supposed to run the blue &
brown wires of the flex through those, so that the wires wrapping
nearly 180degrees around them take the weight of the lampshade etc.,
leaving the screwed electrical connections without any force trying to
pull the wires out over the next 5-10 years ;-)


So how would I make the light safe to swing from then?

--
john

"Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand
what they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not
understand." - Putt's Law

Sneezy wrote:
I'd worry about killing some poor electrician/DIYer in the future because
I've made a set of connectors permanently live that shouldn't be :-S
Thoughts?

Heh. If you've terminated the live conector in a screw block in some
way, then the onus is on the person dismantling it to check if it's
live first, otherwise they shouldn't be in there.

Let's face it it's not hard to stick a neon screwdriver in, and I
check BOTH Live and Neutral - I've seen several live black wires :-0

I've also seen some nightmares up in some ceiling roses i've changed
over for friends &c. [1]

Cheers,

Paul.

[1] Like the lounge in a victorian house where a bundle of wires was
tied up and insulation taped together in a space between the lath and
plaster. Unravelled it and the kitchen light went out :-/

In article 22,
Sneezy wrote:
Looking at a ceiling rose there are three sets of connector blocks
labeled live, loop and neutral - 2/3/2 respectively. This is fine if
you have a light/switch, light/switch setup, say, but if you're wanting
two lights operated from the same switch where does the live wire go
that feeds the second light?

If using 1mm cable, there's room for two conductors in the one hole on all
the ceiling roses I've used. Not sure if there's room for two 1.5mm,
though.

--
*The more I learn about women, the more I love my car

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

When I started out I did a lot of site work so all three lives went in
one terminal, both neutrals in another and the switchwire in t'other,
quickest way works a charm, an

I bet you twisted the 3 lives together, 2 neutrals together and used 1 piece of
earth sleeve for 2 earth wires. All practices now frowned upon !

I could just bung two wires in one connector but I'd worry about the
connection being sound.

Bunging two wires in one hole actually improves the connection. Bung the two
solid cables in one hole. The stranded wire to the bulb holder is a bit of a
pain when stuffed into a small hole.

Christian.

Let's face it it's not hard to stick a neon screwdriver in, and I check
BOTH Live and Neutral - I've seen several live black wires :-0

I've also seen some nightmares up in some ceiling roses i've changed over
for friends &c. [1]

Cheers,

Paul.

You as well !. We must have ridden the same range with the same cowboys.
Dave

And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??

On 05 Mar 2004 10:58:40 GMT, in uk.d-i-y
(Wheelbarrowbob) strung together this:



When I started out I did a lot of site work so all three lives went in
one terminal, both neutrals in another and the switchwire in t'other,
quickest way works a charm, an

I bet you twisted the 3 lives together, 2 neutrals together and used 1 piece of
earth sleeve for 2 earth wires.

Nope.

All practices now frowned upon !

They were when I started, in 1995.
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

On 4 Mar 2004 20:30:41 -0800, in uk.d-i-y
(Zymurgy) strung together this:

Let's face it it's not hard to stick a neon screwdriver in, and I
check BOTH Live and Neutral - I've seen several live black wires :-0

You'd have thought so but I've just been to an emergency light in a
leisure centre recently fitted by so called professionals, complete
with reverse polarity. When I traced the cable back it ended up in a
ceiling rose with 4 x 2 core pyros, all with black sleeving, none with
any distinguishing marks!
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.