Got an email from Screwfix today, they're selling a 32.4V Combi Drill Ferm
for £32.40. Seems like good value to me. Has anybody got one of these, are
they OK or not worth the money?

Brett Jackson wrote:

Got an email from Screwfix today, they're selling a 32.4V Combi Drill Ferm
for ï½£32.40. Seems like good value to me. Has anybody got one of these, are
they OK or not worth the money?

What volts at only a pound each... must be good! ;-)

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Brett Jackson wrote:

Got an email from Screwfix today, they're selling a 32.4V Combi Drill Ferm
for £32.40. Seems like good value to me. Has anybody got one of these, are
they OK or not worth the money?





Did you get one in the end ? Is it any good ? I was tempted by this
email too.

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Did you get one in the end ? Is it any good ? I was tempted by this
email too.



my neighbour bought one (he has to have every tool), he's been using it
all day and says it's well worth the money but IMO it's way too heavy

"in2minds" wrote in message
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Did you get one in the end ? Is it any good ? I was tempted by this
email too.

my neighbour bought one (he has to have every tool), he's been using it
all day and says it's well worth the money but IMO it's way too heavy

It's not SDS, so a waste of time. May as well buy a proper SDS drill, you
will not look back.

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"IMM" wrote in message


It's not SDS, so a waste of time. May as well buy a proper SDS drill,
you
will not look back.

A battery operated sds cost a fortune but B&Q were selling a mains
version relatively cheaply. Buy two of the first and one of these latter
-if B&Q are still offering them, for half the price of a battery sds.

I believe Argos were selling a battery SDS for around £60. Wickes sell one,
a Kress, quite reasonably, although this a is pro model.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:36:29 +0100, "Brett Jackson"
wrote:

Got an email from Screwfix today, they're selling a 32.4V Combi Drill Ferm
for £32.40. Seems like good value to me. Has anybody got one of these, are
they OK or not worth the money?





This is pure and simple bogus marketing.

They believe that people will be attracted by the battery voltage
numbers and at a suitably low price believe this kind of product to be
super value for money.

A drill has to be looked at as a complete product - the motor, speed
control and especially the batteries are critical.

If the number of batteries are doubled to increase the voltage it
means that either the weight has to be doubled and will make the tool
unwieldy or the size of the cells halved, in which case there is no
increase in power or battery life.

In a recent cordless tool review, a Panasonic 15.6v drill came out way
ahead of 18v and even 24v competitors, so really the battery voltage
has little to do with what can be achieved.

Whether something like this at £32 is going to be good value for money
depends on what you want to do with it. Considering that batteries
are the lion's share of the cost, it means that there is precious
little left to spend on the mechanics and control.

At this price point and close to it, I think you would be better off
getting a mains drill.


..andy

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In article ,
IMM wrote:
Did you get one in the end ? Is it any good ? I was tempted by this
email too.

my neighbour bought one (he has to have every tool), he's been using
it all day and says it's well worth the money but IMO it's way too
heavy

It's not SDS, so a waste of time. May as well buy a proper SDS drill,
you will not look back.

A battery SDS is a total waste of money for anyone other than a pro who
may be able to justify it for specialised jobs.

To be any good it needs a power output of around 500 watts to match even
an el cheapo mains one - and just how long do you think a battery will
last under those conditions?

A cordless drill needs to be reasonably light to make sense - few DIYers
will be far from a power supply so can use a mains one where serious
drilling power is needed. IHMO, this sets the top limit at about 18 volts
- 12 will be quite enough if a quality tool and battery.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:03:18 +0100, IMM wrote:

"in2minds" wrote in message
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It's not SDS, so a waste of time. May as well buy a proper SDS drill, you
will not look back.

Soorry to sound higgor'nt but what's SDS?

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:44:16 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:



A cordless drill needs to be reasonably light to make sense - few DIYers
will be far from a power supply so can use a mains one where serious
drilling power is needed. IHMO, this sets the top limit at about 18 volts
- 12 will be quite enough if a quality tool and battery.

Unless you halve the size of the cells of course.

In their quest for ever increasing voltage, because they feel that
customers will associate it with penile length, it would not be
impossible for the marketeers to do this.



..andy

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Andy Hall wrote:
A cordless drill needs to be reasonably light to make sense - few
DIYers will be far from a power supply so can use a mains one where
serious drilling power is needed. IHMO, this sets the top limit at
about 18 volts - 12 will be quite enough if a quality tool and battery.

Unless you halve the size of the cells of course.

That would cause ructions. I have this vision of a far east factory geared
up to produce nothing but rubbish sub-C cells at a price no one would
believe. Can't be more than about 10p each.

In their quest for ever increasing voltage, because they feel that
customers will associate it with penile length, it would not be
impossible for the marketeers to do this.

Seems so. Perhaps they could just make drills with vast batteries full of
space, but only 12 volts? Bit like 19" width Hi-Fi equipment...

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
| In their quest for ever increasing voltage, because they
| feel that customers will associate it with penile length,
| it would not be impossible for the marketeers to do this.
| Seems so. Perhaps they could just make drills with vast
| batteries full of space, but only 12 volts? Bit like 19"
| width Hi-Fi equipment...

Or use a 6V battery and a voltage multiplier circuit - that would give them
an apparently large Ah capacity for the size of case, and a high voltage
marketing spec.

Owain

nog wrote:

Soorry to sound higgor'nt but what's SDS?

A google of this group will get you loads of discussions on the topic.

In summary, it is a highly effective hammer drill system that often uses
a pneumatic compressor to deliver the hammer action. The drills all have
a standard sized shank that is splined, these lock into a matching
chuck. The hammer action hits the end of the bit itself rather than the
chuck.

The result is a hammer action that delivers many hundreds of times the
energy per blow. Hence you can drill straight through hard masonry like
it is hardly even there, in circumstances when an ordinary hammer drill
would make a lot of noise while making an every wider and not deeper hole.

The better models also have a rotation stop mode where they can be used
as a lightweight breaker with a chisel bit. Ideal for chasing walls etc.

See here for selection of decent examples of the species:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills


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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:48:15 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

nog wrote:

Soorry to sound higgor'nt but what's SDS?

A google of this group will get you loads of discussions on the topic.

You're absolutely correct, but, while there have been many mentions of SDS
drills, I didn't find anything that indicated the meaning of SDS, hence I
put the question here.
Thanks for the excellent explanation. :-)

Have mains powered SDS, need something more general purpose (and cordless)
as the SDS drill is large and I can't be bothered plugging it in all the
time.


"IMM" wrote in message
...

"in2minds" wrote in message
...

Did you get one in the end ? Is it any good ? I was tempted by this
email too.

my neighbour bought one (he has to have every tool), he's been using it
all day and says it's well worth the money but IMO it's way too heavy

It's not SDS, so a waste of time. May as well buy a proper SDS drill, you
will not look back.

In article ,
Brett Jackson wrote:
Have mains powered SDS, need something more general purpose (and
cordless) as the SDS drill is large and I can't be bothered plugging it
in all the time.

If you already have a mains SDS, go for a relatively lightweight cordless
- a heavy one, as I'd say a 24 volt must be - doesn't make any sense.

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:44:09 +0100, "Brett Jackson"
wrote:

Have mains powered SDS, need something more general purpose (and cordless)
as the SDS drill is large and I can't be bothered plugging it in all the
time.


OK.

Then a much better purchase would be to spend a bit more and get a
Makita 14.4v cordless drill such as the 6228.

This is quite light weight (1.5kg), and will do any of the jobs for
which the SDS is too large and inconvenient,.

The £32 superspecial weighs 4kg - the weight of a chunky SDS - so not
that convenient.

If you look at Screwfix's web page on it, they are selling it as £1
per volt (refer to my previous point). Then they have discounted it
by 50%. This is a story in itself. Clearly they were not
successful in selling it at £79.99 so it begs the question as to
what's wrong with it. Either they are overstocked or haven't sold
enough or they have come back.

I suppose if you don't mind writing off £30 it could be interesting,
but apart from that this does not sound like a good deal.........


..andy

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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
The £32 superspecial weighs 4kg - the weight of a chunky SDS - so not
that convenient.

If you look at Screwfix's web page on it, they are selling it as £1
per volt (refer to my previous point). Then they have discounted it
by 50%. This is a story in itself. Clearly they were not
successful in selling it at £79.99 so it begs the question as to
what's wrong with it. Either they are overstocked or haven't sold
enough or they have come back.

Perhaps they should have sold it as being value at so much per kg?

There is an ideal balance between weight for stability and excess which
will be a pain - literally with some - which must vary with the
individual. But 4 kg for a cordless drill I'd say is far too high for any
normal soul.

The other thing that may not matter to some, but does to me, is that when
the battery fails - as it will - replacing the cells with decent quality
ones makes a vast difference to the performance of the tool. I've got a
B&Q 18 volt where this is definitely the case. And new cells for that cost
about the same as a new drill. At 32 quid for a 24 volt, they'd cost
considerably more. Not that you'll find the same drill at the same price
by the time they fail anyway.

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:44:09 +0100, "Brett Jackson"
wrote:

Have mains powered SDS, need something more general purpose (and
cordless)
as the SDS drill is large and I can't be bothered plugging it in all the
time.


OK.

Then a much better purchase would be to spend a bit more and get a
Makita 14.4v cordless drill such as the 6228.

This is quite light weight (1.5kg), and will do any of the jobs for
which the SDS is too large and inconvenient,.

The £32 superspecial weighs 4kg - the weight of a chunky SDS - so not
that convenient.

If you look at Screwfix's web page on it, they are selling it as £1
per volt (refer to my previous point). Then they have discounted it
by 50%. This is a story in itself. Clearly they were not
successful in selling it at £79.99 so it begs the question as to
what's wrong with it. Either they are overstocked or haven't sold
enough or they have come back.

SDS is taking over for masonry drilling.

replying to Brett Jackson, Steve wrote:
I had one for years and used it to jack up the caravan legs until the battery
gave out but will look to see if I can get another one


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replying to Brett Jackson, Steve wrote:
I had one for years and used it to jack up the caravan legs until the
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I don't think screwfix have any left from 2004.