In the past have always gone for fairly chunky vacuum cleaning devices.
Wifey just got us a Roomba and declared independence.

Trying to be a little more realistic, I think we need a bit of peripheral backup. Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner suitable for those awkward nooks and crannies plus upholstery?

Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the past have always gone for fairly chunky vacuum cleaning devices.
Wifey just got us a Roomba and declared independence.

Trying to be a little more realistic, I think we need a bit of peripheral backup.
Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner suitable for
those awkward nooks and crannies plus upholstery?

Why wouldn't a clunky one continue to vacuum ?

New is not necessarily better. There are things in the
following article, with "batteries", that I wouldn't allow
in the house. My domicile does not need an unending supply
of 18650's. I do not seek to become a slave to
"battery repair foolishness".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/interior...cuum-cleaners/

We had a cannister back home, where the plastic carry handle
busted off it maybe 40 years ago. It still works. It still vacuums.
And (fortunately), the fittings haven't broken on it. The weakest
part is probably the power switch. I would have to go to
the Smithsonian museum to find that power switch.

You have to decide whether you're cleaning any "heavy duty carpet",
as to which machine is going to cover all your requirements.

And I wouldn't buy a thing like that on-line either. You
really need to look at the power head for the carpet cleaning
version, to see whether it means business or it's a joke.
For the machine I've got, I bought a replacement belt for the
power head years ago, and have never needed it. I figured by
examination, that was the part most likely to go. The roller
the belt powers, still has bristle on it for carpet agitation.

If all the surfaces to be cleaned, have no nap, then there
are lots of ****ty vacuums that will kinda sorta work. Maybe
even a "battery powered stick" as depicted in the article
above would work. Will an 18650-based device last the 40 years+
of my example line-powered vacuum from back home ? With that
machine, it ain't pretty (there's no cartoon face painted on it),
but it does do a days work, and vacuums all the carpets on the
main and second floor.

Paul

Clunky wasn't abandoned,it died and was ceremoniously buried.
I really like you're very detailed reply Paul. I'm not sure it made my decision easier but I'm certainly starting from a different place as a result of it. Ta muchly.

Paul wrote:
Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the past have always gone for fairly chunky vacuum cleaning devices.
Wifey just got us a Roomba and declared independence.

Trying to be a little more realistic, I think we need a bit of peripheral backup.
Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner suitable for
those awkward nooks and crannies plus upholstery?

Why wouldn't a clunky one continue to vacuum ?

New is not necessarily better. There are things in the
following article, with "batteries", that I wouldn't allow
in the house. My domicile does not need an unending supply
of 18650's. I do not seek to become a slave to
"battery repair foolishness".

The annoying thing is I already have plenty of 18650s. They're just
embedded in battery packs shaped for other power tools. There are
battery-sharing 'systems', but they lock you in to that brand of power tools
so aren't actually that much use. Although some honourable mentions:

https://uk.ryobitools.eu/power-tools...2B&searchTerm=
but noting that delivers 20 airwatts, while the Dysons are all 100-200 - the
latter is the same ballpark as a mains vacuum. So it isn't a lot more than
a handheld with a tube.

and further off-piste:
https://www.makita.co.nz/products/model/BBY180

I don't mind battery-replacement-foolishness if I had to buy one pack
per 6 months, because I'd worn it out by using it for lots of
different things.

If all the surfaces to be cleaned, have no nap, then there
are lots of ****ty vacuums that will kinda sorta work. Maybe
even a "battery powered stick" as depicted in the article
above would work. Will an 18650-based device last the 40 years+
of my example line-powered vacuum from back home ? With that
machine, it ain't pretty (there's no cartoon face painted on it),
but it does do a days work, and vacuums all the carpets on the
main and second floor.

The depressing thing is that Dyson is the market leader, and the world is
full of broken Dysons. Entire businesses are founded on repairing Dysons -
this one hosts a repair forum:
https://manchestervacs.co.uk/DysonForum/

It seems like no-one has quite cracked the market of 'performant', 'built to
last' and 'spares availability' in the cordless vacuum space. I should
probably study that forum a bit more and see what folks there recommend...
(they cover other brands beyond Dyson too)

Theo

I'm overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail and complexity suggested. I was game for some selectivity until then. But now, I'm just going to buy the first dust sucker that turns up next at Lidl.

In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
In the past have always gone for fairly chunky vacuum cleaning devices.
Wifey just got us a Roomba and declared independence.

Trying to be a little more realistic, I think we need a bit of
peripheral backup. Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight
vacuum cleaner suitable for those awkward nooks and crannies plus
upholstery?


Lots these days seem to be dual purpose. Meaning far to heavy/bulky for
the things you just want a small one for. And not really up to the main
job either. Seems to be makers re-inventing the wheel. In an attempt to
sell new.

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In article ,
Theo wrote:
The annoying thing is I already have plenty of 18650s. They're just
embedded in battery packs shaped for other power tools. There are
battery-sharing 'systems', but they lock you in to that brand of power tools
so aren't actually that much use.

Now if I were in charge ;-) I'd legislate for common battery fitments.
Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.

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In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
I'm overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail and complexity suggested. I
was game for some selectivity until then. But now, I'm just going to buy
the first dust sucker that turns up next at Lidl.

Keep the receipt. Unlike perhaps most things Lidl sells, some of their
vacuums are rubbish. But not all. Tends to be filters blocking too easily.

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I know you're a great champion of The Middle of Lidl. They're attractively low priced, that's for sure. Consequently, I really do wish that most things I've bought from there were not in need of return. Unfortunatly, though I've been lucky in love, I been quite unfortunate in my purchase of Lidl products. I still admire their prices though. And if I hadn't lost some receipts in my recent house move, I wouldn't have much to complain about.

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In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
I'm overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail and complexity suggested. I
was game for some selectivity until then. But now, I'm just going to buy
the first dust sucker that turns up next at Lidl.

Keep the receipt. Unlike perhaps most things Lidl sells, some of their
vacuums are rubbish. But not all. Tends to be filters blocking too easily.


& presumably what is being sucked up by the punta....
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
I'm overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail and complexity suggested. I
was game for some selectivity until then. But now, I'm just going to buy
the first dust sucker that turns up next at Lidl.

Keep the receipt. Unlike perhaps most things Lidl sells, some of their
vacuums are rubbish. But not all. Tends to be filters blocking too easily.

There's nothing on at Lidl at the moment, but Aldi have this:
https://www.aldi.co.uk/kleeneze-cord...06637399203901
but you can get it elsewhere for less:
https://www.robertdyas.co.uk/kleenez...ner-plum-black

and it's notable that nowhere does it give any indication of the amount of
suction, battery capacity, motor power or anything that would enable
assessment of its performance.

And since it's 'Manufactured by UP Global Sourcing UK Ltd' I would expect
it's just a name slapped on a Chinese import. And so it is:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32967092280.html

(that says 8000Pa max suction, but we'd need the flow rate to work out the
airwatts)

There is a Chinese Dyson clone:
https://www.mi.com/global/mi-handheld-vacuum-cleaner/
albeit for a Dysonesque price.

Theo

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:58:52 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably) is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:58:52 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably) is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

It would be actually quite neat for power tool batteries to gain USB C
charging connectors and voltage converters, then you'd only need a USB-PD
charger to charge them rather than having the proprietary Makita/whatever
charger...

Theo

who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if there's
one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

On 15 Jun 2020 17:28:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if
there's one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

100 W invertor feeding the standard mains chargers would do? Might
need a relay to switch it off/disconnect when the engine isn't
running.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
Theo wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:58:52 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably) is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

It would be actually quite neat for power tool batteries to gain USB C
charging connectors and voltage converters, then you'd only need a USB-PD
charger to charge them rather than having the proprietary Makita/whatever
charger...

Theo

who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if there's
one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

I got one for my Ryobi +One batteries which wasn't expensive at all. I
wouldn't have bought it if it had been.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

The AliExpress kind of Trumped the Aldi offering but I ain't currently got no US Dollars. So, I'll wander down the trail for 19 minutes and purchase the Aldi offering. The online trail preferably. My internet is a bit slow but it still makes my potato head spin.

Mike Halmarack wrote:
The AliExpress kind of Trumped the Aldi offering but I ain't currently got
no US Dollars. So, I'll wander down the trail for 19 minutes and purchase
the Aldi offering. The online trail preferably. My internet is a bit
slow but it still makes my potato head spin.

I hope it works out for you. I suspect the Kleeneze one won't be much cop,
but I hope it's good enough for what you want...

(Aliexpress is mostly things shipped from China - not worth going there
unless you're happy to pay import VAT/duty/fees and potentially waiting a
couple of months. A lot of lower priced things get through without extra
costs, but not always. The price is in USD but your card company will
translate - although some add a 3% fee. I'd always buy from a UK seller if
the prices are comparable, which in this case they are)

Theo

In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:58:52 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably) is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

Does that mean you can no longer use an old charger with a new phone (even
although it would take longer)

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In article ,
charles wrote:
who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if there's
one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

I got one for my Ryobi +One batteries which wasn't expensive at all. I
wouldn't have bought it if it had been.

Would it depend on the voltage of the power tool? Most are 18v or more
these days.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
The AliExpress kind of Trumped the Aldi offering but I ain't currently
got no US Dollars. So, I'll wander down the trail for 19 minutes and
purchase the Aldi offering. The online trail preferably. My internet is
a bit slow but it still makes my potato head spin.


I have a small hand held Aldi - one they sort of kept in stock for mail
order. Ideal for small jobs and has lasted well.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , charles
wrote:
who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if
there's one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

I got one for my Ryobi +One batteries which wasn't expensive at all. I
wouldn't have bought it if it had been.

Would it depend on the voltage of the power tool? Most are 18v or more
these days.

yes, to 18V

--
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:02:33 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably)
is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

Does that mean you can no longer use an old charger with a new phone
(even although it would take longer)

Yes, USB3 plugs are not physically compatible with micro USB. But at
least USB3 fits and works either way round.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Monday, 15 June 2020 09:55:12 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

backup. Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner

sorry to break it to you but that's a self contradiction. Decent vacs are not lightweight.


NT

On 15/06/2020 15:31, Jimk wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Mike Halmarack wrote:
I'm overwhelmed by the sheer level of detail and complexity suggested. I
was game for some selectivity until then. But now, I'm just going to buy
the first dust sucker that turns up next at Lidl.

Keep the receipt. Unlike perhaps most things Lidl sells, some of their
vacuums are rubbish. But not all. Tends to be filters blocking too easily.


& presumably what is being sucked up by the punta....


Or the lack of dust extraction and poor quality of any bags.

My recent DIY has resulted in generating some very fine dust and I'm
quite impressed how my Henry, with HepaFlo bags, has managed to collect
it without any noticeable effect on the following filters.

--
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On 15/06/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Theo wrote:
The annoying thing is I already have plenty of 18650s. They're just
embedded in battery packs shaped for other power tools. There are
battery-sharing 'systems', but they lock you in to that brand of power tools
so aren't actually that much use.

Now if I were in charge ;-) I'd legislate for common battery fitments.
Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.


But then you may end up with the equivalent of the SCART socket which
was so bad in many ways.

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On 15/06/2020 17:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 15 Jun 2020 17:28:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

who had this problem trying to charge power tools from a car - if
there's one available, the car chargers often cost a fortune

100 W invertor feeding the standard mains chargers would do? Might
need a relay to switch it off/disconnect when the engine isn't
running.


Many cars these days remove power to the axillary power sockets (cigar
lighter etc.) after a short period after engine turn off. On my car the
delay before turn off is 10 minutes.

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On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 19:26:24 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Theo wrote:

The annoying thing is I already have plenty of 18650s. They're just
embedded in battery packs shaped for other power tools. There are
battery-sharing 'systems', but they lock you in to that brand of power tools
so aren't actually that much use.

Now if I were in charge ;-) I'd legislate for common battery fitments.
Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.


But then you may end up with the equivalent of the SCART socket which
was so bad in many ways.

Yes, advance is stifled. But there's a major upside to a common connector in this case.


NT

"Dave Liquorice" Wrote in message:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:02:33 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Except now USB3 (with the smarts to up the voltage considerably)
is
becoming the "standard" rather than micro USB.

Does that mean you can no longer use an old charger with a new phone
(even although it would take longer)

Yes, USB3 plugs are not physically compatible with micro USB. But at
least USB3 fits and works either way round.


Well type C plugs do....
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In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Theo wrote:
The annoying thing is I already have plenty of 18650s. They're just
embedded in battery packs shaped for other power tools. There are
battery-sharing 'systems', but they lock you in to that brand of power tools
so aren't actually that much use.

Now if I were in charge ;-) I'd legislate for common battery fitments.
Obviously for tools using the same voltage and style/type of battery.
Rather like they did for phone chargers.


But then you may end up with the equivalent of the SCART socket which
was so bad in many ways.

The main problem with SCART was the near rigid cable. Same really as some
HDMI too.

SCARTS using ribbon cables were much better.

But a battery only has three terminals? Most have settled down to a design
which is nearly common anyway now.

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On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:32:32 AM UTC+10, wrote:
On Monday, 15 June 2020 09:55:12 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

backup. Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner

sorry to break it to you but that's a self contradiction. Decent vacs are not lightweight.


NT

This one is, and, pretty clever too! try in Amazon:
ECOVACS DEEBOT N79T Robotics Vacuumer Clean 3-Stage Cleaning System
smart use of AI and machine learning. Women hair pet hair and all hair removed!!

On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 01:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:32:32 AM UTC+10, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 June 2020 09:55:12 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

backup. Can anyone recommend a good quality lightweight vacuum cleaner

sorry to break it to you but that's a self contradiction. Decent vacs are not lightweight.


NT

This one is, and, pretty clever too! try in Amazon:
ECOVACS DEEBOT N79T Robotics Vacuumer Clean 3-Stage Cleaning System
smart use of AI and machine learning. Women hair pet hair and all hair removed!!

lol

Theo wrote:
And since it's 'Manufactured by UP Global Sourcing UK Ltd' I would expect
it's just a name slapped on a Chinese import. And so it is:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32967092280.html

There is a Chinese Dyson clone:
https://www.mi.com/global/mi-handheld-vacuum-cleaner/
albeit for a Dysonesque price.

It turns out there are a lot of Chinese vacuums out there, and some of them
are quite good. This guy has many many reviews of different vacuums.
Here's the most recent roundup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIos2Lulx8

Theo
(currently looking at a Moosoo K17, although dubious about parts
availability)