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angle grinders .
neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are
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Plenty of people still selling them Screwfix being one!
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On 14/06/2020 15:05, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Plenty of people still selling them Screwfix being one! Richard Think He meant banned for use by engieering companies ...I have two nine inch ones myself .... -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:05:59 -0700, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Plenty of people still selling them Screwfix being one! Richard Have they become illegal then ? |
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On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. |
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On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. was there not a case where father and son both got killed killed when a wheel came off and sliced through them both ? |
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On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. |
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newshound writes On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. I'd consider banning battery powered ones. Or improving padlock security! -- Tim Lamb |
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And your point is?
Judging by the racket on a nice day around here most people have an angle grinder and a hammer drill and that is all. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Tricky Dicky" wrote in message ... Plenty of people still selling them Screwfix being one! Richard |
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angle grinders .
I think all power tools capable of making hot dust should come with eye
protection and a face mask of some kind. People are stupid it is clear. A person I know has suffered for years with getting tiny metal bits in his eye. The medics have done all they can but its irritating and now they say they cannot do an mri of his shoulder in case the bits of metal are affected by the magnetic field. Health and safety. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Smolley" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:05:59 -0700, Tricky Dicky wrote: Plenty of people still selling them Screwfix being one! Richard Have they become illegal then ? |
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I think the battery powered ones ar used mainly by crooks to get catalytic
converters these days. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Tim Lamb" wrote in message ... In message , newshound writes On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. I'd consider banning battery powered ones. Or improving padlock security! -- Tim Lamb |
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angle grinders .
Incidentally should we ban all road vehicles because they can cause
accidents? Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Tim Lamb" wrote in message ... In message , newshound writes On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. I'd consider banning battery powered ones. Or improving padlock security! -- Tim Lamb |
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newshound wrote: On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. I bought mine for trimming bricks round an enlarged window opening. A 4" one ain't deep enough to cut through a brick. I'd say they're no more dangerous than a 4" one. Both need treating with respect. -- *This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:57 -0700, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Why are they called angle grinders ? |
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On 15/06/2020 16:42, Smolley wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:57 -0700, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Why are they called angle grinders ? you cut at any angle ? .... |
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On 15/06/2020 16:42, Smolley wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:57 -0700, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Why are they called angle grinders ? It's an obsolete spelling of angel. It originates because if you aren't careful you'll end up with the angels. Bill |
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On Monday, 15 June 2020 16:42:44 UTC+1, Smolley wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:57 -0700, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Why are they called angle grinders ? To differentiate them from straight grinders. http://www.hmdoyal.com/kpt-power-too...t-grinders.htm |
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On Monday, 15 June 2020 18:38:07 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Monday, 15 June 2020 16:42:44 UTC+1, Smolley wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:57 -0700, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Why are they called angle grinders ? To differentiate them from straight grinders. http://www.hmdoyal.com/kpt-power-too...t-grinders.htm angle grinders are a relatively modern power tool. Drills OTOH go back millennia. NT |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , newshound wrote: On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. I bought mine for trimming bricks round an enlarged window opening. A 4" one ain't deep enough to cut through a brick. I'd say they're no more dangerous than a 4" one. They are actually, lot more torque and a much bigger spinning disk if it come apart when the disk jams in what you are cutting. Much safer to use that disk in a hand held circular saw if the disk come apart in use. Both need treating with respect. -- *This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
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On 15/06/2020 08:12, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I think all power tools capable of making hot dust should come with eye protection and a face mask of some kind. People are stupid it is clear. A person I know has suffered for years with getting tiny metal bits in his eye. The medics have done all they can but its irritating and now they say they cannot do an mri of his shoulder in case the bits of metal are affected by the magnetic field. Health and safety. Brian Even is face masks and eye protection are supplied the stupid will not wear the PPE. Even if it's used the first time the tool is used the PPE is unlikely to be stored with the tool and forgotten about the second time it's used. At some time in life people have got to take responsibility for their own safety. The safety information is always included in the manual but I guess most people don't RTFM. Possibly the problem is sometimes in dumbed down safety advice in the manuals - part of an Amazon review I wrote for a Dewalt Mitre saw "Truly awful instruction book. At the back of the book is some safety related text but most of the manual is pictures. The first page indicates you should be wearing a wet-suit, be blindfolded and you should never plug the equipment into the mains nor operate it if carrying a teddy bear." Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:13:17 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2020 08:12, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: I think all power tools capable of making hot dust should come with eye protection and a face mask of some kind. People are stupid it is clear. A person I know has suffered for years with getting tiny metal bits in his eye. The medics have done all they can but its irritating and now they say they cannot do an mri of his shoulder in case the bits of metal are affected by the magnetic field. Health and safety. Brian Even is face masks and eye protection are supplied the stupid will not wear the PPE. Even if it's used the first time the tool is used the PPE is unlikely to be stored with the tool and forgotten about the second time it's used. At some time in life people have got to take responsibility for their own safety. The safety information is always included in the manual but I guess most people don't RTFM. Possibly the problem is sometimes in dumbed down safety advice in the manuals - part of an Amazon review I wrote for a Dewalt Mitre saw "Truly awful instruction book. At the back of the book is some safety related text but most of the manual is pictures. The first page indicates you should be wearing a wet-suit, be blindfolded and you should never plug the equipment into the mains nor operate it if carrying a teddy bear." Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Yup, this excess of advice for the retarded actually results in most people NOT reading even basic safety advice. It may be an improvement on the old days of zero safety information, but it's a mostly missed opportunity in safety terms. Stupid advice is needed for legal reasons. Perhaps it could work a lot better if they put the stupid stuff & the sensible stuff in separate places. Mind you I did see a deficiency in safety advice with one angle grinder. The instructions failed to point out that the machine should not be used for surgery. NT |
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wrote: Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Sounds like Lidl power tool instructions. Pages and pages of legalese, and all the bits you want crammed into one. -- *Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/06/2020 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Sounds like Lidl power tool instructions. Pages and pages of legalese, and all the bits you want crammed into one. The last bit was from a Makita tools I purchased recently. Some of the arse covering instructions are generic and do not even apply to the equipment thus making the list even longer. Instead of just recommending safety glasses they must comply with ANSI Z78.1, En 166 or AS/NZS 1336 It appears that in Australia that it's a legal requirement to wear such PPE when using this tool. As the TV advert asks "do you locks conform to bs3621 - no-one knows"! -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 15/06/2020 08:14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I think the battery powered ones ar used mainly by crooks to get catalytic converters these days. Brian I would guess that the majority are used by law abiding householders and tradesmen. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 16/06/2020 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Sounds like Lidl power tool instructions. Pages and pages of legalese, and all the bits you want crammed into one. They are all much the same, my Metabo angle grider: 121 pages pages 2€“3 picture with The Numbering of Parts pages 4€“5 large table of specifications for every model variant page 6 pictures with the reference Nrs of accessories pages 15€“25 English instructions, of which 3 pages of safety instructions 2 pages how to use the rest being blank space and yet more warnings the rest of the big fat booklet being in every other language including a set of pink pages with yet another page of safety instruction in English -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On 16/06/2020 20:39, alan_m wrote:
On 16/06/2020 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* wrote: Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Sounds like Lidl power tool instructions. Pages and pages of legalese, and all the bits you want crammed into one. The last bit was from a Makita tools I purchased recently. Some of the arse covering instructions are generic and do not even apply to the equipment thus making the list even longer. Instead of just recommending safety glasses they must comply with ANSI Z78.1, En 166 or AS/NZS 1336 It appears that in Australia that it's a legal requirement to wear such PPE when using this tool. I think the key is that the manufacturers do this to ensure they are not prosecuted for 'dangerous equipment' and failing to inform its purchasers how to use it. Viz the apocryphal 'pet in a microwave' case where it was held that the manufacturer was responsible for failing to inform users that it was not suitable for drying out wet pets. So it is less that these things are legal requirements on the *owners* than that they are legal requirements on the *manufacturers* There is no legal requirement for me as a private individual to wear safety gear when chainsawing, and I don't. But I could not employ someone else and make them perform without it.I would be personally liable for any ****wittery they might indulge in and no insurance would cover me. As the TV advert asks "do you locks conform to bs3621 - no-one knows"! So change them. Mine oddly, all do. Not that my insurance company has ever asked. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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"newshound" wrote in message ... On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, I cant either. They are the only thing to use for some stuff. nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. A proper concrete saw is much safer and much easier to use. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. But that doesnt help if the disk gets jammed and come apart at high speed. |
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On 17/06/2020 03:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/06/2020 20:39, alan_m wrote: On 16/06/2020 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* wrote: Sometimes important safety information is lost in the pages of legal arse covering... Do not operate under the influence of alcohol or drugs Do not operate this power tool in rain etc. Sounds like Lidl power tool instructions. Pages and pages of legalese, and all the bits you want crammed into one. The last bit was from a Makita tools I purchased recently. Some of the arse covering instructions are generic and do not even apply to the equipment thus making the list even longer. Instead of just recommending safety glasses they must comply with ANSI Z78.1, En 166 or AS/NZS 1336 It appears that in Australia that it's a legal requirement to wear such PPE when using this tool. I think the key is that the manufacturers do this to ensure they are not prosecuted for 'dangerous equipment' and failing to inform its purchasers how to use it. Viz the apocryphal 'pet in a microwave' case where it was held that the manufacturer was responsible for failing to inform users that it was not suitable for drying out wet pets. So it is less that these things are legal requirements on the *owners* than that they are legal requirements on the *manufacturers* There is no legal requirement for me as a private individual to wear safety gear when chainsawing, and I don't. But I could not employ someone else and make them perform without it.I would be personally liable for any ****wittery they might indulge in and no insurance would cover me. As the TV advert asks "do you locks conform to bs3621 - no-one knows"! So change them. Mine oddly, all do. Not that my insurance company has ever asked. CHUBB VERSION IS A PAIN IN THE ARSE... |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
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On 17/06/2020 03:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Not that my insurance company has ever asked. They used to ask but the difference in premiums for answering yes or no was a £1 at most. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:00:53 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 17/06/2020 03:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Not that my insurance company has ever asked. They used to ask but the difference in premiums for answering yes or no was a £1 at most. but it gave them the opportunity to not pay out sometimes. NT |
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On 15/06/2020 08:14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I think the battery powered ones ar used mainly by crooks to get catalytic converters these days. Brian until you mentioned this Brian, I never considered them being used for pinching cat converters. |
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On 17/06/2020 06:34, Rod Speed wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message ... On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ...Â* wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, I cant either. They are the only thing to use for some stuff. nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. A proper concrete saw is much safer and much easier to use. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. But that doesnt help if the disk gets jammed and come apart at high speed. I have never had an angle grinder disk of any size disintegrate. (OK, I have had the unreinforced Dremel abrasive slitting disks fail). And for that matter I can't recall an instance of a grindstone failure in my 50-odd years in industry where every production site has quite a decent mechanical workshop. |
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"newshound" wrote in message ... On 17/06/2020 06:34, Rod Speed wrote: "newshound" wrote in message ... On 14/06/2020 18:20, harry wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2020 14:33:17 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: neighbour who is an engineer told me nine inch angle grinders are banned...is he right ? ... I have one. They are dangerous if using it to cut and the wheel gets nipped. Had a couple of near misses. Can't see them being banned, I cant either. They are the only thing to use for some stuff. nothing else like them for cutting slabs, concrete, etc. A proper concrete saw is much safer and much easier to use. While they have a lot of "oomph" they are normally quite heavy and the inertia makes them manageable. But that doesnt help if the disk gets jammed and come apart at high speed. I have never had an angle grinder disk of any size disintegrate. Others have. (OK, I have had the unreinforced Dremel abrasive slitting disks fail). And for that matter I can't recall an instance of a grindstone failure in my 50-odd years in industry where every production site has quite a decent mechanical workshop. Those are much more solid than angle grinder cutting disks. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 06:35 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER FIVE HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:35:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 06:35??? LOL So your first FIVE HOURS of trolling are over already! Still some miserable 15 hours ahead of you! Right? LMAO -- Keema Nam addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You are now exposed as a liar, as well as an ignorant troll." "MID: .com" |
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:56:42 +0100, newshound
wrote: I have never had an angle grinder disk of any size disintegrate. (OK, I have had the unreinforced Dremel abrasive slitting disks fail). And for that matter I can't recall an instance of a grindstone failure in my 50-odd years in industry where every production site has quite a decent mechanical workshop. I have the (relatively) new 1 mm sheet-metal-cutting disks. They are specced for sheet metal of a mm or two, for cutting with less heat and less distortion than the more usual cutting disks -- 5 mm thick or so? I am less inclined to trust these, particularly if used in cutting thicker stock, as will inevitably happen. (This lack of trust means I think more about where the bits would fly if it should shatter, than when using a thick cutting disk. One should be checking if the sparks are flying somewhere safe anyway, i.e. excluding tile, glass, glasses, porcelain, ceramic, mirrors, etc from the landing zone. Most who have used angle grinders have that particular t-shirt, is my guess.) Any thoughts on the thin slitting disks? Thomas Prufer |
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