https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though. Banged
up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away. No way to spend a
retirement, really.

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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though.

More fool them.

Banged up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away.

That last remains to be seen.

No way to spend a retirement, really.

I'm afraid that the public will not tolerate it, so something will give. I
suspect that they hope by then to be able to detect cases very early on, and
use the new positive pressure oxygen masks to keep the lungs from collapsing
and getting glued together by all the gunk from the virus infection. Trouble
is a lot of people find breathing out when not allowed to fully do this
while wearing a very tight mask causes panic, and several have refused to
use it again and have died. Hard to be sure if the out come would have been
the same if they had tolerated it, but this new treatment system probably
means that people will not have to be put into a coma and have to be
connected to a traditional respirator, and hence can still eat and drink and
talk.
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though.

More fool them.

Banged up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away.

That last remains to be seen.

No way to spend a retirement, really.

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

I'm afraid that the public will not tolerate it,

Bull****.

so something will give.

Yep, the fools who don’t accept it will get ****ed over.

I suspect that they hope by then to be able to detect cases very early on,

Not possible when so many don’t have any symptoms early on.

and use the new positive pressure oxygen masks to keep the lungs from
collapsing

They don’t collapse.

and getting glued together by all the gunk from the virus infection.

That doesn’t happen either.

Trouble is a lot of people find breathing out when not allowed to fully do
this while wearing a very tight mask causes panic, and several have
refused to use it again and have died.

That’s always their choice.

Hard to be sure if the out come would have been the same if they had
tolerated it,

That will become clear over time.

but this new treatment system probably means that people will not have to
be put into a coma and have to be connected to a traditional respirator,
and hence can still eat and drink and talk.

That remains to be seen.

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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though.

More fool them.

Banged up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away.

That last remains to be seen.

No way to spend a retirement, really.

On 30/04/2020 00:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though.

More fool them.

Banged up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away.

That last remains to be seen.

No way to spend a retirement, really.


well people like me people just adapt to the situation with no
problem...free food delivery courtesy of the wee bint......no chocolate
which is good ....no outgoings...money piling up in the bank...an
operchancity to do all the things at home with all the things you have
collected over the years but never used because it was easier to just go
out and about.......what is the alternative? a slow death with your
lungs filling up with fluid ?...tried that five years ago not nice...no
contest ....

On Thursday, 30 April 2020 08:21:44 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
well people like me people just adapt to the situation with no
problem...free food delivery courtesy of the wee bint

Not for me; and Aldi's quiche has gone from £1.19 to £1.49 in the last couple of weeks. Obviously the surplus of eggs hasn't reached the quiche factory. Spent £9 yesterday and not a week's shopping done.

......no chocolate which is good ....no outgoings...money piling up
in the bank...

savings rates through the floor and inflation through the roof

an operchancity to do all the things at home with all the things you have
collected over the years but never used because it was easier to just go
out and about.......

Fine if you've got everything you need at home. Even if Screwfix, B&Q etc were open (some are, some aren't) and selling what I needed to buy (they aren't), buses have been cut so I can't go there without disproportionate time and effort.

I'm managing, I've got more space inside and outside than many, and I like my own company. But I'd like something to look forward to.

And it's ****ing down with rain, so queueing outside shops is going to be a lot less fun than it has been.

Owain

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wrote:

On 30/04/2020 00:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though.

More fool them.

Banged up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away.

That last remains to be seen.

No way to spend a retirement, really.


well people like me people just adapt to the situation with no
problem...free food delivery courtesy of the wee bint......no chocolate
which is good ....no outgoings...money piling up in the bank...an
operchancity to do all the things at home with all the things you have
collected over the years but never used because it was easier to just go
out and about.......what is the alternative? a slow death with your
lungs filling up with fluid ?...tried that five years ago not nice...no
contest ....

So did I. Legionella has very similar symptoms. It was nightmare.
Now, a nightmare within a nightmare.
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On 30/04/2020 08:21, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 30/04/2020 00:29, Rod Speed wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

problem...free food delivery courtesy of the wee bint......no chocolate
which is good ....no outgoings...money piling up in the bank...an
operchancity to do all the things at home with all the things you have
collected over the years but never used because it was easier to just go
out and about.......what is the alternative? a slow death with your
lungs filling up with fluid ?...tried that five years ago not nice...no
contest ....

Typical Jock - It's not free.

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On 29/04/2020 23:58, Stephen Cole wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though. Banged
up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away. No way to spend a
retirement, really.

But they are the gregarious pub club cinema restaurant hairdresser fitba
going people....

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 23:58, Stephen Cole wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though. Banged
up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away. No way to spend a
retirement, really.

But they are the gregarious pub club cinema restaurant hairdresser fitba
going people....


Little old ladies, Jim. Depressed as ****. Lonely. Its very sad, imo.

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On 30/04/2020 08:52, Stephen Cole wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 23:58, Stephen Cole wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

I'm lovin' it ...

Good for you, Jim. A lot of poor *******s are going mental, though. Banged
up till vaccine, which is a couple of years away. No way to spend a
retirement, really.

But they are the gregarious pub club cinema restaurant hairdresser fitba
going people....


Little old ladies, Jim. Depressed as ****. Lonely. Its very sad, imo.

they would be more depressed if the catch it.....

On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts, theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2% of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good argument for letting us oldies out first?


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On 30/04/2020 09:55, Clive Page wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.

Indeed.Â* The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off.Â*Â* If you
are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps
2% of your likely remaining life-span.Â* If you are a pensioner it may
well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span.Â* Is that a
good argument for letting us oldies out first?


No.


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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going on
holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you are
in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2% of
your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

Joshua Snow wrote:


"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going on
holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you are
in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2% of
your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.


Everyones got to die sometime. Some people might prefer to take the chance
rather than be locked indoors with only the cat for company. If all other
elements of society are deemed able to expose themselves to the risk (there
is a risk for all, albeit lower than in the elderly) then for me it becomes
difficult to deny one element of society at least the choice of the risk.

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"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
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Joshua Snow wrote:


"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is
this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on
holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you are
in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2% of
your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

Everyones got to die sometime.

But no point in dying so gruesomely earlier than you have to.

Some people might prefer to take the chance rather
than be locked indoors with only the cat for company.

They are free to flout the law and do that.

If all other elements of society are deemed able to
expose themselves to the risk (there is a risk for all,

That wont happen, you watch.

albeit lower than in the elderly) then for me it becomes difficult
to deny one element of society at least the choice of the risk.

They always have that choice, to flout the law.

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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is
this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If
you are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for
perhaps 2% of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner
it may well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span.
Is that a good argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

but, if one is going to be killed by the virus anyway, why not live a little
beforehand?

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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is
this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If
you are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for
perhaps 2% of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner
it may well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span.
Is that a good argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

but, if one is going to be killed by the virus anyway,

That isnt the case even with the highest risk group.
It doesn’t even kill 30% of those.

why not live a little beforehand?

Because if it does kill you, it does so very gruesomely
and is pretty obscene even if it does kill you for many.

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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is
this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and
going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If
you are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for
perhaps 2% of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner
it may well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span.
Is that a good argument for letting us oldies out first?

Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

but, if one is going to be killed by the virus anyway,

That isnt the case even with the highest risk group.
It doesn’t even kill 30% of those.

why not live a little beforehand?

Because if it does kill you, it does so very gruesomely
and is pretty obscene even if it does kill you for many.

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charles wrote:
Nope, because they are the most vulnerable to be killed by it.

but, if one is going to be killed by the virus anyway, why not live a
little beforehand?

The hope is they'll have an effective treatment for it and/or a vaccine
long before it has run its course.

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Clive Page wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you
are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2%
of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?


Id be perfectly happy to prioritise lifting lockdown for people who are
most likely to suffer mental health problems from being locked indoors,
such as the elderly, but then again Im €œthe Loony Left€�. Weve got a Tory
government, their only priority is going to be getting the economy going
again. The economically non-productive, such as the elderly, simply wont
factor into their plans, bottom of the queue.

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On 30/04/2020 09:55, Clive Page wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.

Indeed.Â* The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off.Â*Â* If you
are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps
2% of your likely remaining life-span.Â* If you are a pensioner it may
well represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span.Â* Is that a
good argument for letting us oldies out first?



Judging by events in Europe, I'm not so sure your timescales are
correct. Certainly not a couple of weeks etc and some things may take
many months to return to (near) normal (I'm not referring to the
economy, that will take longer). However, gradually over the coming
months I expect things will ease for most people, albeit that some will
need to take precautions.

Certainly things like large concerts etc will pose problems but they
aren't a major issue for most people. Pubs aren't exactly essentials in
terms of people need them to live. There is, of course, the economic
aspect.

Out of interest, I'm watching the plans for schools etc. The recent
reports of this 'new' condition in youngsters may complicate things- I
don't recall it being reported elsewhere. Perhaps it simply was so rare
it wasn't reported etc. Plus different countries (eg Spain) had
different lock down rules.

The latest numbers for deaths weren't as bad as the FT suggested, not
good, but not as bad as the FT ones. The senior scientist yesterday
(Deputy Chief?) made some very good points re our current numbers
including deaths which may not be entirely attributable to the Chinese
Virus and we wouldn't have a true picture until they'd been adjusted for
the normal seasonal deaths. Some will claim this is fiddling the numbers
but he pointed out there are standard methods, applied across Europe, to
do this.

All in all, the hospitals are doing remarkably well. The plans to resume
some 'normal' treatments which had been suspended it certainly
encouraging. The policy of having some 'hot' (Virus treating) hospitals
and 'cold' (Virus free) ones should help with this. I was aware it was
being used in some areas but it appears to be a general policy, going by
the news reports.

The media continue to be more of a hindrance than help. One, supposedly
serious, newspaper, carried one report that a drug was working and
another it wasn't within 24 hrs!

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On 30/04/2020 09:57, Brian Reay wrote:

All in all, the hospitals are doing remarkably well. The plans to resume
some 'normal' treatments which had been suspended it certainly
encouraging. The policy of having some 'hot' (Virus treating) hospitals
and 'cold' (Virus free) ones should help with this. I was aware it was
being used in some areas but it appears to be a general policy, going by
the news reports.

I gave up on TV-reported 'news' very early on in the crisis, and while
BBC R4 has its PC agenda, the reporting of facts there seems better (but
still quite biassed in terms of presentation).

In that context there was an R4 item from about a week ago, where a
doctor on the front line was interviewed at the end of a 13-hour shift.
One thing of note that he did say was that "If a hospital discovers a
new successful technique on a Friday, that is reported over the network
that weekend, and on Monday it will be applied in all hospitals". He
went on to say that this sort of thing would normally take months to
years. so it looks like the idea of a Covid/non-Covid division of
hospitals seems to be part of a 'can do' approach to dealing with the
crisis.

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On 30/04/2020 11:15, Spike wrote:
On 30/04/2020 09:57, Brian Reay wrote:

All in all, the hospitals are doing remarkably well. The plans to resume
some 'normal' treatments which had been suspended it certainly
encouraging. The policy of having some 'hot' (Virus treating) hospitals
and 'cold' (Virus free) ones should help with this. I was aware it was
being used in some areas but it appears to be a general policy, going by
the news reports.

I gave up on TV-reported 'news' very early on in the crisis, and while
BBC R4 has its PC agenda, the reporting of facts there seems better (but
still quite biassed in terms of presentation).

In that context there was an R4 item from about a week ago, where a
doctor on the front line was interviewed at the end of a 13-hour shift.
One thing of note that he did say was that "If a hospital discovers a
new successful technique on a Friday, that is reported over the network
that weekend, and on Monday it will be applied in all hospitals". He
went on to say that this sort of thing would normally take months to
years. so it looks like the idea of a Covid/non-Covid division of
hospitals seems to be part of a 'can do' approach to dealing with the
crisis.


The 'division' was put in place quite early, at least in one area, so I
assume it was a general policy. Ditto they (the hospitals) converted
'ordinary' wards etc into specialist ones ahead of there being a
significant influx of patients. PPE training was done etc in advance, or
refreshed perhaps. Most NHS staff probably rarely, if ever, need to wear
the type of PPE now being required so 'refresher' training etc makes sense.

The medical staff have certainly 'stepped up' etc. Some areas are, of
course, worse than others- simply down to numbers of people etc.

The testing business has been interesting. Hancock's promise has been
used to beat him but the provision is there, it simply hasn't been used.
One, possible, reason is their aren't as many people showing symptoms.
That doesn't mean that people don't have it- it seems a significant
number of people either show no symptoms or very mild ones so don't
think they are infected. I wonder what we will find if we ever do
widespread anti-body testing. I suspect many people will have had it and
not even known.

Plus, the test isn't pleasant ;-)



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On 30/04/2020 09:55, Clive Page wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you
are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2%
of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?



Judging by events in Europe, I'm not so sure your timescales are correct.
Certainly not a couple of weeks etc and some things may take many months
to return to (near) normal (I'm not referring to the economy, that will
take longer). However, gradually over the coming months I expect things
will ease for most people, albeit that some will need to take precautions.

Certainly things like large concerts etc will pose problems but they
aren't a major issue for most people. Pubs aren't exactly essentials in
terms of people need them to live. There is, of course, the economic
aspect.

Out of interest, I'm watching the plans for schools etc. The recent
reports of this 'new' condition in youngsters may complicate things-

Nope, because its so rare and non fatal.

I don't recall it being reported elsewhere.

It has been now.

Perhaps it simply was so rare it wasn't reported etc.

More that the stats werent collected for it.

Plus different countries (eg Spain) had different lock down rules.

Yeah, with kids under 14 or something not being allowed
out of the house at all, not even for shopping etc.

The latest numbers for deaths weren't as bad as the FT suggested, not
good, but not as bad as the FT ones. The senior scientist yesterday
(Deputy Chief?) made some very good points re our current numbers
including deaths which may not be entirely attributable to the Chinese
Virus and we wouldn't have a true picture until they'd been adjusted for
the normal seasonal deaths. Some will claim this is fiddling the numbers
but he pointed out there are standard methods, applied across Europe, to
do this.

All in all, the hospitals are doing remarkably well.

Not in spain or italy or iran.

The plans to resume some 'normal' treatments which had been suspended it
certainly encouraging. The policy of having some 'hot' (Virus treating)
hospitals and 'cold' (Virus free) ones should help with this. I was aware
it was being used in some areas but it appears to be a general policy,
going by the news reports.

The media continue to be more of a hindrance than help. One, supposedly
serious, newspaper, carried one report that a drug was working and another
it wasn't within 24 hrs!

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Well, all eyes on Norway then, as they start to allow gatherings of up to 50
people and the new version of IOS and Android with a contact tracing API on
board is rolling out soon as well.

As I have said before here. I don't think anyone would suggest that the
current policy is going to stop anyone from getting it, but to preserve the
maximum ability of the NHS to get as many through it as they can, they have
to reduce the rate of infection to a copable number. With an unknown virus
like this one, unfortunately you just have to experiment and monitor and
hope you can step back in with rules if needed before it gets out of hand.
With enough testing I imagine it can be done and contact tracing should be
useful in this regard.
Unfortunately, New Zealand and Estonia are self congratulating themselves
on keeping cases low, but what happens when they open their borders to the
infected world? If there is not a good vaccine then they will have to start
again.
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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
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What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going on
holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you are
in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2% of
your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?


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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well, all eyes on Norway then,

Mine will still be on my screen.

as they start to allow gatherings of up to 50 people

Rather a silly number. I guess it does allow a
funeral or wake and café or restaurant or pub.

and the new version of IOS and Android with a contact tracing API on board
is rolling out soon as well.

Our app rolled out last sunday evening.

As I have said before here. I don't think anyone would suggest that the
current policy is going to stop anyone from getting it,

Corse it will with those that stay home and get stuff delivered.

but to preserve the maximum ability of the NHS to get as many through it
as they can, they have to reduce the rate of infection to a copable
number.

They do seem to be coping pretty well,

With an unknown virus like this one, unfortunately you just have to
experiment and monitor and hope you can step back in with rules if needed
before it gets out of hand.

But its less clear what the general public will
do if you fiddle with the rules too much.

With enough testing I imagine it can be done

Trouble is that the test is pretty unpleasant.

and contact tracing should be useful in this regard.

trouble is that contact tracing is very hard to do
even if everyone has it enabled on their phone and
that’s never going to happen even in a police state.

Unfortunately, New Zealand and Estonia are self congratulating themselves
on keeping cases low,

Nothing unfortunate about that, its working very well indeed.

but what happens when they open their borders to the infected world?

No problem when they require arrivals to quarantine for 2 weeks.

That approach has worked for centurys now.

If there is not a good vaccine then they will have to start again.

Nope, just treat and isolate those who test positive in quarantine.

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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.

Indeed. The other factor that doesn't seem to have been noticed is this:

My guess is that normal life including being able to attend concerts,
theatres, pubs, restaurants, meeting with friends and family, and going
on holidays is still many months away, and perhaps a year off. If you
are in your 20s then this represents a loss of social life for perhaps 2%
of your likely remaining life-span. If you are a pensioner it may well
represent the loss of 10% or 20% of remaining life-span. Is that a good
argument for letting us oldies out first?


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On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown

What a mess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_xW-9Qgoo&t=118s


particularly like the idea of being separated from the younger
generation, sounds good to me

and watching joe public all cry like the big babies they are when
flights are only for the very wealthy just like it used to
be...........what a shame.......teehee

On 30/04/2020 17:50, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_xW-9Qgoo&t=118s


particularly like the idea of being separated from the younger
generation, sounds good to me

and watching joe public all cry like the big babies they are when
flights are only for the very wealthy just like it used to
be...........what a shame.......teehee



78% are non white, are predominately black & Muslim. So, mainly Labour
supporters

On 30/04/2020 17:50, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_xW-9Qgoo&t=118s


particularly like the idea of being separated from the younger
generation, sounds good to me

and watching joe public all cry like the big babies they are when
flights are only for the very wealthy just like it used to
be...........what a shame.......teehee


"what about ma summa hole-adday"

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:36:54 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

On 30/04/2020 17:50, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_xW-9Qgoo&t=118s


particularly like the idea of being separated from the younger
generation, sounds good to me

and watching joe public all cry like the big babies they are when
flights are only for the very wealthy just like it used to
be...........what a shame.......teehee


"what about ma summa hole-adday"

Dont start... I should be abroad today !

On 30/04/2020 21:38, Rambo wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:36:54 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

On 30/04/2020 17:50, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 29/04/2020 21:15, Stephen Cole wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onger-lockdown


What a mess.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_xW-9Qgoo&t=118s


particularly like the idea of being separated from the younger
generation, sounds good to me

and watching joe public all cry like the big babies they are when
flights are only for the very wealthy just like it used to
be...........what a shame.......teehee


"what about ma summa hole-adday"

Dont start... I should be abroad today !

sorry