To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking
will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The only
way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the
number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as
it happens. Otherwise you could find yourself in a bit of a problem as New
Zealand will have, no cases, but no way to open the border since there was
no vaccine yet.
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the
house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of
year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

On 09/04/2020 11:13, John_j wrote:


"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is toÂ* kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

Wuhan still has not opened non-essential shops and services and the
population are still being advised to stay at home as much as possible.

SteveW

On Thursday, 9 April 2020 11:14:15 UTC+1, John_j wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

They're probably lying anyway.

"harry" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, 9 April 2020 11:14:15 UTC+1, John_j wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

They're probably lying anyway.

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"John_j" wrote in message
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

you really think that whatever we are told, will be true?

tim

"tim..." wrote in message
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"John_j" wrote in message
...


"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

you really think that whatever we are told, will be true?

There will always be enough reporting on what is
actually happening even in that gung ho police state.
Mate of mine's chinese wife has her parents there and
they barely managed to get out of there on 31-Jan,
they were back there for chinese new year.

And her employer back here, also chinese, quite literally
returned from Wuhan in mid Fed, deliberately flouting
the ban on anyone coming here from there. And since
he was back in china for chinese new year too, obviously
has been communicating with his relos back there since.

With modern communications, there isnt much even a
gung ho police state can do to stop hard info getting out.
from

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:13:59 +1000, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out.

Absolute bull****, you mentally insane auto-contradicting senile moron!

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"You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates
his particular prowess at it every day."
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On 09/04/2020 10:51, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

For a change I pretty much agree with you.



--
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that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed
it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively
sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual
human truckers the trucks.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it
but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new
cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang
the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens
in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for
two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks?
They still have the "import problem" though.

Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced
isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but
with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak
back in from outside.

Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts
etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months
doesn't understand the problem.

I agree

anybody who thinks that we can get back to anything approaching normal in
2-4 weeks is an idiot

tim

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

Depends on what is unlocked. It would be easy
to still restrict travel into and out of the country.
China still doesn’t let foreign devils into the country.

The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but
the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health
services as it happens.

That’s not the only way.

Otherwise you could find yourself in a bit of a problem as New Zealand
will have, no cases,

They do in fact have hundreds of cases.

but no way to open the border since there was no vaccine yet.

Its also possible to open the border and
enforce a strict quarantine for 2 weeks for
those who arrive in the country. That’s the
way quarantine has been done for centurys
and is what Australia is doing now, but with
the quarantine in fancy hotels with the
arrivals paying for the time in quarantine.

"harry" wrote in message
...
To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the
house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of
year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:06:11 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:Rod Speed
wrote:

FLUSH the abnormal senile bull**** artist's latest senile bull****

....and nothing's left!

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On 09/04/2020 10:52, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely
unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start
again.

I really don't think anyone is going to be crossing borders anytime soon
unless they can show they can self isolate for 2 weeks. Not just for this
pandemic. But the next.

Even if governments won't do it, I can see pitchfork-toting locals
chasing "furriners" out of town out of fear.

What a bloody good idea!

--
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that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
Even if governments won't do it, I can see pitchfork-toting locals
chasing "furriners" out of town out of fear.

Quite. Including those born there. Since there are idiots everywhere.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote:

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.


--
Cheers, Rob

On Thursday, 9 April 2020 08:16:23 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote:

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced.

Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense?

Drakeford, rightly in my view, wanted to make an announcement to clarify that Wales is still locked down and people should not go on jollies. And to do so before Easter weekend.

In my view, Westminster must make the decision and hold the absolutely promised review regardless who is ill.

In article ,
polygonum_on_google wrote:
Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no
uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced.

Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense?

The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as in
other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others.

Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis. Anything else
would be silly.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
polygonum_on_google wrote:
Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no
uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced.

Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense?

The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as in
other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others.

Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis. Anything else
would be silly.

why?

how are you going to stop leakage across a boundary if rules are different
each side of it?

and is it really fair to say that residents of Manchester can go on leisure
trips to the Pennines but residents of Leeds can't



tim

In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
polygonum_on_google wrote:
Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in
no uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced.

Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made
sense?

The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as
in other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others.

Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis. Anything
else would be silly.

why?

They will ease restrictions when they are certain the local NHS can cope.

how are you going to stop leakage across a boundary if rules are
different each side of it?

and is it really fair to say that residents of Manchester can go on
leisure trips to the Pennines but residents of Leeds can't

Why I said ease. Not abolish.







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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
polygonum_on_google wrote:
Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no
uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced.

Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense?

The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as in
other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others.

Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis.

Difficult to do tho with holiday homes and where you
can have a big ****up or sport event or even a normal
pub without hordes going there from still locked down
areas so they can do that stuff again and then return
home and bring the infection back with them again.

Anything else
would be silly.

Don’t agree.

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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 03:03:36 +1000, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the nym-shifting senile cretin's latest troll**** unread

03:03??? LOL Is your unbearable loneliness not letting you sleep in again,
you abnormal senile cretin?

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John to the senile Australian pest:
"You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL"
MID:

On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote:

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days
before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. If the virus is to be defeated,
that's the sort of measures that are needed.

Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the
18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the
economy is more important than the lives that support it. There are
similar mutterings about schools, that major vector for the spread of
the disease.

Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go, and bumping off the
wrinklies that way, they are doing the same thing but in dribs and
drabs. For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues
(especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the
virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of
isolation.

--
Spike

"Spike" wrote in message
...
On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry"
wrote:

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan
lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero.

But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown
is actually necessary to get a result like that.

If the virus is to be defeated, that's
the sort of measures that are needed.

That remains to be seen.

Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing
restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can
get back to work, suggesting that the economy is
more important than the lives that support it.

Or that that approach may be viable.

There are similar mutterings about schools,
that major vector for the spread of the disease.

Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go,
and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are
doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs.

Bull****.

For those over 60 and those with underlying health
issues (especially those who have both risk factors)
who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and
run and will mean a very long period of isolation.

That remains to be seen too.

On 09/04/2020 09:46, Rod Speed wrote:
"Spike" wrote
On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 07:53 BST, "harry" wrote:

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan
lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero.

But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown
is actually necessary to get a result like that.

The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives.

If the virus is to be defeated, that's
the sort of measures that are needed.

That remains to be seen.

The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives.

Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing
restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can
get back to work, suggesting that the economy is
more important than the lives that support it.

Or that that approach may be viable.

Or not. It's playing Russian Roulette with people's lives.
There are similar mutterings about schools,
that major vector for the spread of the disease.

Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go,
and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are
doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs.

Bull****.

The popularity of that idea lasted a couple of days before being ditched
in that form.

For those over 60 and those with underlying health
issues (especially those who have both risk factors)
who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and
run and will mean a very long period of isolation.

That remains to be seen too.

Not for the wise.

--
Spike

Spike wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Spike wrote
RJH wrote
harry wrote

To be extended for another month at least.

Where do you get that?

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan
lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero.

But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown
is actually necessary to get a result like that.

The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives.

The alternative is to observe what other
countrys have tried and what result they got.

If the virus is to be defeated, that's
the sort of measures that are needed.

That remains to be seen.

The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives.

The alternative is to observe what other
countrys have tried and what result they got.

Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing
restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can
get back to work, suggesting that the economy is
more important than the lives that support it.

Or that that approach may be viable.

Or not. It's playing Russian Roulette with people's lives.

The alternative is to observe what other
countrys have tried and what result they got.

There are similar mutterings about schools,
that major vector for the spread of the disease.

Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go,
and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are
doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs.

Bull****.

The popularity of that idea lasted a couple
of days before being ditched in that form.

What is bull**** is your last after the comma.

For those over 60 and those with underlying health
issues (especially those who have both risk factors)
who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and
run and will mean a very long period of isolation.

That remains to be seen too.

Not for the wise.

That remains to be seen.

On 9 Apr 2020 at 10:46:29 BST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote:



"Spike" wrote in message
...
On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote:
snip
"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown
measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan
lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero.

But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown
is actually necessary to get a result like that.


Of course 'it remains to be seen'. I don't think you're contributing to
anything by (repeatedly) saying that.

The point at issue is 'what should we be doing?'. Once we've figured that out,
we'll all have plenty of time to reflect. Hopefully.

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Cheers, Rob

RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Spike wrote
RJH wrote

"The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said
no decision on lockdown measures will be made
at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement
instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now.

Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan
lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero.

But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown
is actually necessary to get a result like that.

Of course 'it remains to be seen'. I don't think you're
contributing to anything by (repeatedly) saying that.

Just as true of this one of yours.

The point at issue is 'what should we be doing?'.

Duh.

Once we've figured that out,

It remains to be seen if that is even possible any time soon.

we'll all have plenty of time to reflect. Hopefully.

Bit late then.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 19:46:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


But it remains to be seen

What we'll see is YOU trolling on these groups like there was no tomorrow,
you subnormal 86-year-old cretinous senile IDIOT!

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On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote:
For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues
(especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the
virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of
isolation

So nothing new there then? :-)


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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.€�

Vaclav Klaus

On 09/04/2020 09:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote:

For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues
(especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the
virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of
isolation

So nothing new there then? :-)

Fraid not :-(

The drip-feed of infection vectors by relaxing/re-imposing lockdown
measures ensures it's the vulnerable who would be wise to pay the long
game...


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Spike

On 09/04/2020 12:23, Spike wrote:
On 09/04/2020 09:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote:

For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues
(especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the
virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of
isolation

So nothing new there then? :-)

Fraid not :-(

The drip-feed of infection vectors by relaxing/re-imposing lockdown
measures ensures it's the vulnerable who would be wise to pay the long
game...


You missed my point. I live alone these days, and see on the average day
no one at all.

I rather like it.

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"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

In article ,
Spike wrote:
Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the
18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the
economy is more important than the lives that support it.

And just who are 'they'? In a position to make the rules?

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On 09/04/2020 12:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Spike wrote:
Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the
18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the
economy is more important than the lives that support it.

And just who are 'they'? In a position to make the rules?


Spike thinks he advises the Government (seriously).

Spike was thinking very hard :
Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the
18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the
economy is more important than the lives that support it.

Not what I heard this morning, they were saying it was more about
getting that age group back to work, because that group is the group
which might suffer long term mental issues from being confined to home.

harry wrote:
To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of
year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.


Extended is misleading.

Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month?

The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day
one- this extending nonsense is just another example.

On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote:
harry wrote:
To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of
year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.


Extended is misleading.

Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month?

The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day
one- this extending nonsense is just another example.



What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the
number of cases. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by
spreading the cases over time. Personally I think the eye watering cost
to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS.

"Broadback" wrote in message
...
On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote:
harry wrote:
To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the
house.

Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of
year in the garden.

Must be hell for flat dwellers.


Extended is misleading.

Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month?

The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from
day
one- this extending nonsense is just another example.

What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the
number of cases.

It may well do if the rate of new infections
drops as dramatically as it has in Wuhan.

It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases
over time.

Its much more complicated than that.

Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been
better spent pouring money into the NHS.

But its very far from clear that doing that would save as many lives.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:59:50 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


But its very far from clear that

What IS clear is that you are a clinically insane trolling piece of senile
****!

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"You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL"
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