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To be extended for another month at least.
I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. |
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What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking
will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Otherwise you could find yourself in a bit of a problem as New Zealand will have, no cases, but no way to open the border since there was no vaccine yet. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "harry" wrote in message ... To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. |
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On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote:
To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On Thursday, 9 April 2020 08:16:23 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote: To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced. Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense? Drakeford, rightly in my view, wanted to make an announcement to clarify that Wales is still locked down and people should not go on jollies. And to do so before Easter weekend. In my view, Westminster must make the decision and hold the absolutely promised review regardless who is ill. |
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harry wrote:
To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. |
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On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote:
On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote: To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. If the virus is to be defeated, that's the sort of measures that are needed. Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. There are similar mutterings about schools, that major vector for the spread of the disease. Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go, and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs. For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation. -- Spike |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote: On 9 Apr 2020 at 07:53:37 BST, "harry" wrote: To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. If the virus is to be defeated, that's the sort of measures that are needed. That remains to be seen. Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. Or that that approach may be viable. There are similar mutterings about schools, that major vector for the spread of the disease. Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go, and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs. Bull****. For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation. That remains to be seen too. |
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:
What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote:
For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation So nothing new there then? :-) -- it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984. Vaclav Klaus |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote
What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. Depends on what is unlocked. It would be easy to still restrict travel into and out of the country. China still doesnt let foreign devils into the country. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Thats not the only way. Otherwise you could find yourself in a bit of a problem as New Zealand will have, no cases, They do in fact have hundreds of cases. but no way to open the border since there was no vaccine yet. Its also possible to open the border and enforce a strict quarantine for 2 weeks for those who arrive in the country. Thats the way quarantine has been done for centurys and is what Australia is doing now, but with the quarantine in fancy hotels with the arrivals paying for the time in quarantine. "harry" wrote in message ... To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out. |
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On 09/04/2020 10:51, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. For a change I pretty much agree with you. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift. |
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On 09/04/2020 10:52, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. I really don't think anyone is going to be crossing borders anytime soon unless they can show they can self isolate for 2 weeks. Not just for this pandemic. But the next. Even if governments won't do it, I can see pitchfork-toting locals chasing "furriners" out of town out of fear. What a bloody good idea! -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift. |
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On 09/04/2020 11:13, John_j wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to* kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out. Wuhan still has not opened non-essential shops and services and the population are still being advised to stay at home as much as possible. SteveW |
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On 09/04/2020 09:46, Rod Speed wrote:
"Spike" wrote On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote: On 9 Apr 2020 07:53 BST, "harry" wrote: To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. If the virus is to be defeated, that's the sort of measures that are needed. That remains to be seen. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. Or that that approach may be viable. Or not. It's playing Russian Roulette with people's lives. There are similar mutterings about schools, that major vector for the spread of the disease. Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go, and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs. Bull****. The popularity of that idea lasted a couple of days before being ditched in that form. For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation. That remains to be seen too. Not for the wise. -- Spike |
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On 9 Apr 2020 at 10:46:29 BST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote:
"Spike" wrote in message ... On 09/04/2020 07:16, RJH wrote: snip "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. Of course 'it remains to be seen'. I don't think you're contributing to anything by (repeatedly) saying that. The point at issue is 'what should we be doing?'. Once we've figured that out, we'll all have plenty of time to reflect. Hopefully. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote:
harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. |
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Spike wrote
Rod Speed wrote Spike wrote RJH wrote harry wrote To be extended for another month at least. Where do you get that? "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. The alternative is to observe what other countrys have tried and what result they got. If the virus is to be defeated, that's the sort of measures that are needed. That remains to be seen. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. The alternative is to observe what other countrys have tried and what result they got. Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. Or that that approach may be viable. Or not. It's playing Russian Roulette with people's lives. The alternative is to observe what other countrys have tried and what result they got. There are similar mutterings about schools, that major vector for the spread of the disease. Instead of going for the herd immunity in one go, and bumping off the wrinklies that way, they are doing the same thing but in dribs and drabs. Bull****. The popularity of that idea lasted a couple of days before being ditched in that form. What is bull**** is your last after the comma. For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation. That remains to be seen too. Not for the wise. That remains to be seen. |
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RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote Spike wrote RJH wrote "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. Of course 'it remains to be seen'. I don't think you're contributing to anything by (repeatedly) saying that. Just as true of this one of yours. The point at issue is 'what should we be doing?'. Duh. Once we've figured that out, It remains to be seen if that is even possible any time soon. we'll all have plenty of time to reflect. Hopefully. Bit late then. |
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"Broadback" wrote in message ... On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It may well do if the rate of new infections drops as dramatically as it has in Wuhan. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. Its much more complicated than that. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. But its very far from clear that doing that would save as many lives. |
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On 09/04/2020 11:28, Broadback wrote:
On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It actually may. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. No. It is more than that. There is evidence it will reduce the *severity* of the disease. Thus saving lives and allowing herd immunity to be achieved with less disruption. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. Wouldn't have made much difference. The NHS is a bottomless pit of waste. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher |
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On 09/04/2020 09:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote: For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation So nothing new there then? :-) Fraid not :-( The drip-feed of infection vectors by relaxing/re-imposing lockdown measures ensures it's the vulnerable who would be wise to pay the long game... -- Spike |
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On 09/04/2020 10:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Spike wrote Rod Speed wrote Spike wrote RJH wrote "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. The alternative is to observe what other countrys have tried and what result they got. We don't have time to sit back and observe what other countries do, the virus is here now. Only two approaches have been shown to work: severe lockdown (Wuhan) and rigorous testing (South Korea). The need in the UK to preserve the economy rules out the Wuhan approach, and we are so far behind the curve in testing South Korea style it's too late for that to be effective. -- Spike |
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On 09/04/2020 11:28, Broadback wrote:
On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. No matter how much money, they couldn't have purchased enough equipment and medications and hired enough staff fast enough to ensure that a larger, sooner peak would not have had thousands dying untreated in hospital corridors. Everyone would then be blaming the government for failing to stop that. SteveW |
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On 09/04/2020 12:23, Spike wrote:
On 09/04/2020 09:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 09/04/2020 09:38, Spike wrote: For those over 60 and those with underlying health issues (especially those who have both risk factors) who want to avoid the virus, this is going to run and run and will mean a very long period of isolation So nothing new there then? :-) Fraid not :-( The drip-feed of infection vectors by relaxing/re-imposing lockdown measures ensures it's the vulnerable who would be wise to pay the long game... You missed my point. I live alone these days, and see on the average day no one at all. I rather like it. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift. |
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On Thursday, 9 April 2020 11:14:15 UTC+1, John_j wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out. They're probably lying anyway. |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... On 09/04/2020 10:47, Rod Speed wrote: Spike wrote Rod Speed wrote Spike wrote RJH wrote "The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said no decision on lockdown measures will be made at the Cobra meeting today, with the announcement instead coming next week" on the Guardian just now. Anyone can see that the severe lockdown in Wuhan lasted over 70 days before COVID-19 cases fell to zero. But it remains to be seen if such a severe lockdown is actually necessary to get a result like that. The alternative is to play Russian Roulette with people's lives. The alternative is to observe what other countrys have tried and what result they got. We don't have time to sit back and observe what other countries do, Yes we do now that the lockdown is in place and are considering relaxing it in some areas. the virus is here now. You sure ? Only two approaches have been shown to work: severe lockdown (Wuhan) and rigorous testing (South Korea). So the UK is free to consider doing it the way South Korea has done it and avoid crippling the economy. The need in the UK to preserve the economy rules out the Wuhan approach, The Wuhan approach worked fine economy wise if they dont get a second wave and we will soon be able to see if they get that. and we are so far behind the curve in testing South Korea style it's too late for that to be effective. That remains to be seen. And still possible to see if something less than the current lockdown will work fine. |
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polygonum_on_google wrote: Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced. Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense? The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as in other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others. Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis. Anything else would be silly. -- *A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. Quite. Much of the meja is still treating it as some sort of political issue. I don't much care for BoJo, and didn't vote Tory. But only a fool would be certain anyone else could have handled things better. Can you just imagine if it had been Farage? Idolised by so many on here. Following the lead of his master Trump. -- *If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Spike wrote: Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. And just who are 'they'? In a position to make the rules? -- *Why were the Indians here first? They had reservations.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Jethro_uk wrote: Even if governments won't do it, I can see pitchfork-toting locals chasing "furriners" out of town out of fear. Quite. Including those born there. Since there are idiots everywhere. -- *How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Broadback wrote: Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. Maybe. Had it been done years ago. You don't get more trained staff and suitable equipment etc within days of pouring in money - no matter how much. I'm pretty sure once this is over, most will still want the lowest possible taxation etc over decent spending on the NHS. And of course paying our key workers properly. Giving them a a round of applause doesn't hurt the pocket. Love to be proved wrong. -- *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Broadback" wrote in message
... On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. Will there also be a tendency for there to be fewer cases overall because some family groups will get it but then not be able to pass it on to anyone else so the virus will die out for that group? If all households are isolated from each other, there will be a point at which none of them are still able to pass the virus on to anyone else, even if some of the members of the household suffer and then either recover or die. But I agree than the main purpose of the lockdown was to spread the load over a longer period of time to allow the NHS to cope. |
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On 09/04/2020 13:01, NY wrote:
"Broadback" wrote in message ... On 09/04/2020 08:59, Brian Reay wrote: harry wrote: To be extended for another month at least. I'm running out of small projects/repair/maintenance jobs around the house. Fortunately we have a big garden and a veggie plot. It's a busy time of year in the garden. Must be hell for flat dwellers. Extended is misleading. Did anyone sensible expect it to last only a month? The media have been twisting, exaggerating, and distorting things from day one- this extending nonsense is just another example. What seems to have been lost is that the lockdown will not decrease the number of cases. It is simply there to save the NHS from melt down by spreading the cases over time. Personally I think the eye watering cost to the economy would have been better spent pouring money into the NHS. Will there also be a tendency for there to be fewer cases overall because some family groups will get it but then not be able to pass it on to anyone else so the virus will die out for that group? If all households are isolated from each other, there will be a point at which none of them are still able to pass the virus on to anyone else, even if some of the members of the household suffer and then either recover or die. I think it is more likely that there will be the same number of *infections* - essentially until we reach 40% who have survived it or have been vaccinated whatever - , but that the *severity* of the infection as well as the rate over time will be reduced with lockdown. That is, it will be a slower *and* *less severe* peak towards herd immunity. But I agree than the main purpose of the lockdown was to spread the load over a longer period of time to allow the NHS to cope. That was its purpose but I am thinking that it may well have several other unintended consequences. - fewer people will get *seriously* ill from it - fewer people will get colds and other unrelated illnesses spread by similar means - fewer people will get respiratory diseases as vehicle pollution comes down. - road traffic accidents will be down. - people will realise that actually working from home works, as does online shopping. And they will never go back to the same level. - people will realise that the main advantage of *going out* to work is to get away from the spouse and kids. -- But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an hypothesis! Mary Wollstonecraft |
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"harry" wrote in message
... On Thursday, 9 April 2020 11:14:15 UTC+1, John_j wrote: "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out. They're probably lying anyway. === They lied at the beginning so why not now? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
... Will there also be a tendency for there to be fewer cases overall because some family groups will get it but then not be able to pass it on to anyone else so the virus will die out for that group? If all households are isolated from each other, there will be a point at which none of them are still able to pass the virus on to anyone else, even if some of the members of the household suffer and then either recover or die. I think it is more likely that there will be the same number of *infections* - essentially until we reach 40% who have survived it or have been vaccinated whatever - , but that the *severity* of the infection as well as the rate over time will be reduced with lockdown. That is, it will be a slower *and* *less severe* peak towards herd immunity. If people are quarantined for long enough, will there be anyone left who can still infect anyone else? Even without artificially-induced antibodies via a vaccination. Maybe to achieve this would require too long a lockdown. |
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On 09/04/2020 12:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Spike wrote: Instead, they are talking this morning of relaxing restrictions for the 18 to 40 age group so they can get back to work, suggesting that the economy is more important than the lives that support it. And just who are 'they'? In a position to make the rules? Spike thinks he advises the Government (seriously). |
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"John_j" wrote in message ... "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. Wuhan has done it in just 3. It remains to be seen how that works out. you really think that whatever we are told, will be true? tim |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 08:12:00 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote: What I want to know is this, after its all apparently over, surely unlocking will just allow people in from abroad and it will all start again. The virus is in the general population, even with the borders sealed it'll sneak back in from abroad. The borders can't be effectively sealed anyway, with truckers coming and going, or if not the actual human truckers the trucks. The only way to go is to kind of control things so people still get it but the number who die can be controlled by not overwhelming the health services as it happens. Yep, relax one or two of the most restrictive rules and watch the new cases rate very closely, if it looks to begin taking off again, bang the restrictions back on. It will be interesting to see what happens in Wuhan over the next two weeks. Have they stayed in lockdown for two weeks with no new (reported....) cases for that entire two weeks? They still have the "import problem" though. Once the new cases rate is very low more test 'n track and enforced isolation might work to contain it (as it sort of did early on) but with the virus so widely spread in the global population it'll sneak back in from outside. Anybody who thinks things will be back to normal, ie pubs, restraunts etc open, and large gatherings allowed, in much less than five months doesn't understand the problem. I agree anybody who thinks that we can get back to anything approaching normal in 2-4 weeks is an idiot tim |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , polygonum_on_google wrote: Quite clearly lockdown is continuing in Wales - Drakeford said so in no uncertain terms. Though minimum diration has yet to be announced. Just who was the idiot who thought a review on Easter Monday made sense? The virus is at different stages of its progression in the UK. Same as in other countries. With London being some weeks ahead of others. Chances are they'll ease restrictions on a regional basis. Anything else would be silly. why? how are you going to stop leakage across a boundary if rules are different each side of it? and is it really fair to say that residents of Manchester can go on leisure trips to the Pennines but residents of Leeds can't tim |
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