We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

Muddymike wrote:

We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible pump
from the cistern to higher locations?

Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible pump
from the cistern to higher locations?

Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion. I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

It's quite a difficult requirement because you don't want to have the
pump on continuously (waste of electricity and not many pumps except
pond ones are rated for continuous use) and a submersible pump doesn't
really fulfil the requirement either.

Some sort of storage is probably required because the demand is
'peaky' and the supply is slow and steady. The pump needs to turn off
both when the 'in' end runs out of water and when the 'out' end needs
no more.

I suppose maybe a pond pump with a split output might work, feed a
little water feature by the borehole and have a feed split off to feed
a tank up by the house.

My experience with moving water about in the garden tells me that this
isn't a particularly easy thing to do, it may take a few iterations
before getting to a working solution.

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Chris Green
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Chris Green expressed precisely :
Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion. I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

I would suggest they were poor quality or faulty from the start. I have
installed many such pumps - they run happily and been submerged for
decades.

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
Chris Green expressed precisely :
Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion. I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

I would suggest they were poor quality or faulty from the start. I have
installed many such pumps - they run happily and been submerged for
decades.

If you mean pond pumps, yes they run for many years, however if you
mean submersible pumps for pumping out cellars and such they aren't
rated for continuous submersion in the main.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green has brought this to us :
If you mean pond pumps, yes they run for many years, however if you
mean submersible pumps for pumping out cellars and such they aren't
rated for continuous submersion in the main.

I have never been involved with pond pumps, I did mean submersible
pumps and they are designed for continuous submersion.

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Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
Chris Green expressed precisely :
Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion. I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

I would suggest they were poor quality or faulty from the start. I have
installed many such pumps - they run happily and been submerged for
decades.

If you mean pond pumps, yes they run for many years, however if you
mean submersible pumps for pumping out cellars and such they aren't
rated for continuous submersion in the main.

But bore pumps and well pumps are.

Is that what they mean when they say its a Cellars Market?
I'll get me coat.
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"Chris Green" wrote in message
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Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
Chris Green expressed precisely :
Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion. I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

I would suggest they were poor quality or faulty from the start. I have
installed many such pumps - they run happily and been submerged for
decades.

If you mean pond pumps, yes they run for many years, however if you
mean submersible pumps for pumping out cellars and such they aren't
rated for continuous submersion in the main.

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Chris Green
·

On 03/04/2020 13:27, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Chris Green expressed precisely :
Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion.* I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

I would suggest they were poor quality or faulty from the start. I have
installed many such pumps - they run happily and been submerged for
decades.
I agree. At my last house I installed a submersible in a well. It worked
perfectly of the 12 years before we moved.

Mike

"Chris Green" wrote in message
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Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house
is.

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible pump
from the cistern to higher locations?

Very few 'submersible' pumps are rated for permanent submersion.

Thats bull****. All those used for private wells are.

I
used one in a similar situation and it failed (as in tripped the RCD)
after a year or so.

It's quite a difficult requirement because you don't want to have the
pump on continuously (waste of electricity and not many pumps except
pond ones are rated for continuous use) and a submersible pump doesn't
really fulfil the requirement either.

Yes they do when they have the correct control system which
only has the pump on when there is demand for water.

Thats how private wells do it.

Some sort of storage is probably required because the demand is
'peaky'

Nope, they just have a pressure vessel to handle
the on off of the pump.

and the supply is slow and steady. The pump needs to turn off
both when the 'in' end runs out of water and when the 'out' end needs
no more.

I suppose maybe a pond pump with a split output might work, feed a
little water feature by the borehole and have a feed split off to feed
a tank up by the house.

My experience with moving water about in the garden tells me that this
isn't a particularly easy thing to do, it may take a few iterations
before getting to a working solution.

There are plenty of bore pump systems that just work.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 07:20:29 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH more the senile auto-contradictingOzzietard's latest troll****

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On 03/04/2020 12:44, Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days
of the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here)
fast enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is
at the lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power
washer or sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where
the house is.

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible pump
from the cistern to higher locations?
That would only work until the cistern emptied.

Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible
pump from the cistern to higher locations?
That would only work until the cistern emptied.

get a big one then, but seriously why do you say you can't drop a pump
down the borehole?

On 03/04/2020 20:40, Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Let it fill a cistern local to the borehole, then use a submersible
pump from the cistern to higher locations?
That would only work until the cistern emptied.

get a big one then, but seriously why do you say you can't drop a pump
down the borehole?

Because I only have access to a 1 inch pipe coming up from it.

Mike

Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?

Read the bit above, submersible pumps don't like being permanently
under water (except pond pumps, but they're a different breed).

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"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which
is not
applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?

Read the bit above, submersible pumps don't like being permanently
under water

Bore pumps and well pumps are.

(except pond pumps, but they're a different breed).

--
Chris Green
·

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:36:34 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Read the bit above, submersible pumps don't like being permanently
under water

Bore pumps and well pumps are.

Obviously not in his experience, you auto-contradicting senile pest!

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On 03/04/2020 13:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which
is not applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?
Because I only have access to a pipe coming up from the borehole.

Mike

On 03/04/2020 20:34, Muddymike wrote:
On 03/04/2020 13:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which
is not applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?
Because I only have access to a pipe coming up from the borehole.

Mike
Maybe your simplest answer is to replace the pump with a modern one with
a bit more oomph.
I found a forgotten well in the garden that, I believe, hadn't been used
since the 60s; I just hauled on the (highly corroded but extremely
heavy) pipe until the 1930s pump arrived at the top and then replaced it
with a modern pump and MDPE pipe, as I said earlier. It took two of us
to haul it up (the Well turned-out to be about 45 feet deep) but as each
few metres came up I clamped the pipe and sawed-off as much as I could
to lighten the pull for the next 2 metres. It would have been simpler
with a scaffolding pole tripod and a block, but this was underneath trees.

On 03/04/2020 20:53, wrote:
On 03/04/2020 20:34, Muddymike wrote:
On 03/04/2020 13:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type
which is not applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?
Because I only have access to a pipe coming up from the borehole.

Mike
Maybe your simplest answer is to replace the pump with a modern one with
a bit more oomph.
I found a forgotten well in the garden that, I believe, hadn't been used
since the 60s; I just hauled on the (highly corroded but extremely
heavy) pipe until the 1930s pump arrived at the top and then replaced it
with a modern pump and MDPE pipe, as I said earlier. It took two of us
to haul it up (the Well turned-out to be about 45 feet deep) but as each
few metres came up I clamped the pipe and sawed-off as much as I could
to lighten the pull for the next 2 metres. It would have been simpler
with a scaffolding pole tripod and a block, but this was underneath trees.
That is exactly what I want to do, hence asking advise on which pump.

Mike

On 04/04/2020 10:16, Muddymike wrote:
On 03/04/2020 20:53, wrote:
On 03/04/2020 20:34, Muddymike wrote:
On 03/04/2020 13:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Muddymike pretended :
Ive looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type
which is not applicable.

Why 'not applicable'?
Because I only have access to a pipe coming up from the borehole.

Mike
Maybe your simplest answer is to replace the pump with a modern one
with a bit more oomph.
I found a forgotten well in the garden that, I believe, hadn't been
used since the 60s; I just hauled on the (highly corroded but
extremely heavy) pipe until the 1930s pump arrived at the top and then
replaced it with a modern pump and MDPE pipe, as I said earlier. It
took two of us to haul it up (the Well turned-out to be about 45 feet
deep) but as each few metres came up I clamped the pipe and sawed-off
as much as I could to lighten the pull for the next 2 metres. It would
have been simpler with a scaffolding pole tripod and a block, but this
was underneath trees.
That is exactly what I want to do, hence asking advise on which pump.

Mike
As I said earlier: I've been very happy with a Stuart-Turner Diver35,
and a flow switch to automagically switch the pump on/off.

On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike
I've been very happy with a Stuart-Turner Diver35
https://www.stuart-turner.co.uk/prod...ver-35-b-46611,
but there are others in the range. I bought the pump without the flow
switch and added an identical flow switch from China (cheaper). The pump
is connected to a couple of garden taps with 1" pipe and it's just like
having normal mains water available. We have a large garden and
sprinklers/sprays/whatever are not a problem.

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:32:36 +0100, Muddymike
wrote:

We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Maybe consider a hydraulic ram pump?

Caecilius wrote:

Maybe consider a hydraulic ram pump?

they're quite wasteful, and low flow ...

On Friday, 3 April 2020 12:32:37 UTC+1, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

The term you are looking for is "borehole pump"
You can buy one that pumps from hundreds of feet deep.
Take care with the installation instructions, they are water cooled.

But a surface storage tank is a good idea with a further submersible pump if it can't be located at a high point.

There are all sorts of automatic controls available.

"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like constant
use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive looked
at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

what is several hours at a time.?
3 hours ?
https://www.waterpump.co.uk/tallas-d...50-garden-pump

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On 03/04/2020 17:59, Mark wrote:
"Muddymike" wrote in message
o.uk...
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like constant
use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive looked
at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

what is several hours at a time.?
3 hours ?
https://www.waterpump.co.uk/tallas-d...50-garden-pump

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All day running sprinklers sometimes.

Mike

Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

We have a small privately owned store in town that sells
nothing but pumps.

They'll show you what's available.

I found them very helpful, in terms of picking
out classes of solutions.

I don't know how common stores like that are. We
didn't have anything like that in the city I was
born in.

Paul

Paul wrote :
We have a small privately owned store in town that sells
nothing but pumps.

They'll show you what's available.

Which town is that?

On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

I'd go for a central heating pump. They're pretty cheap, and you could
try a used one from eBay.

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Clive Arthur Wrote in message:
On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

I'd go for a central heating pump. They're pretty cheap, and you could
try a used one from eBay.


Thats a good shout
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On 04/04/2020 11:36, Jimk wrote:
Clive Arthur Wrote in message:
On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

I'd go for a central heating pump. They're pretty cheap, and you could
try a used one from eBay.


Thats a good shout

Not if there's any chance of the input running dry, or if the OP needs
significant pressure

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On 04/04/2020 11:36, Jimk wrote:
Clive Arthur Wrote in message:
On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days of
the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here) fast
enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is at the
lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power washer or
sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the the
output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest point
of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to like
constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is not
applicable.

Mike

I'd go for a central heating pump. They're pretty cheap, and you could
try a used one from eBay.


Thats a good shout

Not if there's any chance of the input running dry, or if the OP needs
significant pressure


Flow switch? (Like the shower pump you keep pushing has)

From a random Google -
3200 L /hr = 53L /min
Max head 6m or so

Bear in mind there's pressure on the input from the borehole too...

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On 04/04/2020 10:51, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 03/04/2020 12:32, Muddymike wrote:
We have a borehole in our garden that happily belches water 365 days
of the year (or at least it has for the 18 months we've lived here)
fast enough to fill a bucket and feed a tap in the workshop which is
at the lowest point of the garden but not enough to feed the power
washer or sprinkler at the highest part of the garden which is where
the house is.

I modified an old shower pump which connected to the tap proved the
the output can be boosted enough to operate a sprinkler at the highest
point of the garden. However it has now died as it doesn't seem to
like constant use for several hours at a time.

What type of pump should I search for as a permanent solution. Ive
looked at well pumps but can only find the submersible type which is
not applicable.

Mike

I'd go for a central heating pump.Â* They're pretty cheap, and you could
try a used one from eBay.

I had discounted those thinking being designed to circulate they wouldnt
produce enough pressure for sprinklers.

Mike