Hi all

I am considering getting some jobs done, the diy bit being the
planning .

These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.

There is clearly a bit of cross over with perhaps replacement of
gullies required.
So which comes first, the drive or the fascias?

I am also considering getting the drains inspected before the
drive is laid as there are areas that don't drain well as though
the ground is regularly sodden.

Anything to watch out for or to make preparation for in this scheme?

Thanks

Phil

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On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.

Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or driveway-coloured soffits?

Owain

On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.

Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters :-)


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He might be looking for colour coordination.. grin.
Personally, I'd go for the house items first, and no planning issues
unless in a conservation area. It would not be nice to make a nice hard
standing then crack it by dropping a cast iron gutter onto the edge of it.

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On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.

Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Owain

In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.
Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters :-)

Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter,
he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing
softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may
lead to further work with roof tiles.



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On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullsterÂ* wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
Â* our drive.
Â*Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)

Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter,
he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing
softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may
lead to further work with roof tiles.



Nothing wrong with that, but will you be able to push back the
tiles that overhang the fascia board to put a run of dpc or
epdm cut into long strips, that goes under any existing roofing
felt and overhangs the fascia and new UPVC so that no water can
get in between timber and upvc ?.

If your roofing felt has deteriorated along its bottom edge what you need are felt trays

https://www.screwfix.com/p/felt-supp...m-5-pack/36622

Much easier to deal with than DPM etc. Put some up myself took about 30 mins to do.

Richard

In message , Andrew
writes
On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster* wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
* our drive.
*Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit
fitters
:-)
Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant
carpenter, he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that
the existing softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding)
and removal may lead to further work with roof tiles.



Nothing wrong with that, but will you be able to push back the
tiles that overhang the fascia board to put a run of dpc or
epdm cut into long strips, that goes under any existing roofing
felt and overhangs the fascia and new UPVC so that no water can
get in between timber and upvc ?.

25 year old roofing felt! Unlikely. For an otherwise sound concrete roll
tiled roof, how important is the felt anyway?

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On 27/01/2020 14:23, Tricky Dicky wrote:
If your roofing felt has deteriorated along its bottom edge what you need are felt trays

https://www.screwfix.com/p/felt-supp...m-5-pack/36622

Much easier to deal with than DPM etc. Put some up myself took about 30 mins to do.



Ta, never seen them before.


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In message , John Rumm writesOn 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote: On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote: These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of our drive. Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or driveway-coloured soffits?Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters :-)Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter, he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may lead to further work with roof tiles.-- Tim Lamb

Hi Tim

Yes I am considering over cladding the gable ends. Taking wood
fascias off that are fairly sound from gable ends looks like it
will almost definitely damage the overlapping tiles and
pointing.

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He might be looking for colour coordination.. grin. Personally, I'd go for the house items first, and no planning issues unless in a conservation area. It would not be nice to make a nice hard standing then crack it by dropping a cast iron gutter onto the edge of it.Brian-- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...The Sofa of Brian user, so no pictures pleaseNote this Signature is wrote in message ... On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote: These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of our drive. Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or driveway-coloured soffits? Owain

Thanks Brian

Existing gutter is plastic, so no real danger of damage that way.

I am still inclined to go with the gutter first, then driveway.

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On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.
Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)

Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter,
he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing
softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may
lead to further work with roof tiles.



Yes, Tim, a company would suggest that method given they then don't
have to disturb the roof cover to slide a thin piece of plastic against
the face of the fascia. Overall, an effective, nice cosmetic look.

On the other hand, to replace the system as a whole, ideally, the roof
cover will have to be removed to get good lines and fixings. If the
cover is tile and the bottom row of tiles is not fixed they can simply
push the bottom row of tiles up to have working space.

Otherwise they may have to remove a section length of tile. If there is
under-felt, it may be perished or, brittle, so they should also replace
a section length. Hopefully it will lift without tearing to allow the
new felt to be pushed under it to create a good lap.

A friend of many years ago had the same thing done. Given they just
tacked the plastic to any part of the surface, rather than the rafter
ends, it began to sag in places and drop off over a couple of years
because the wood fascia beneath had no 'body' to it. In winds it would
rattle. The weight of the plastic gutter also brought down a section of
the original wooden(rotten) fascia.

Be sure the fascia is sound all around. Take into consideration the
quantity and weight of water. 100mm cubed is a kilo. That's 10 kilo a
meter length of the gutter should it fill.

And, top down seems reasonable procedure for the works.

I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.
Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)

Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter,
he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing
softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may
lead to further work with roof tiles.



Yes, Tim, a company would suggest that method given they then don't
have to disturb the roof cover to slide a thin piece of plastic against
the face of the fascia. Overall, an effective, nice cosmetic look.

On the other hand, to replace the system as a whole, ideally, the roof
cover will have to be removed to get good lines and fixings. If the
cover is tile and the bottom row of tiles is not fixed they can simply
push the bottom row of tiles up to have working space.

Otherwise they may have to remove a section length of tile. If there is
under-felt, it may be perished or, brittle, so they should also replace
a section length. Hopefully it will lift without tearing to allow the
new felt to be pushed under it to create a good lap.

A friend of many years ago had the same thing done. Given they just
tacked the plastic to any part of the surface, rather than the rafter
ends, it began to sag in places and drop off over a couple of years
because the wood fascia beneath had no 'body' to it. In winds it would
rattle. The weight of the plastic gutter also brought down a section of
the original wooden(rotten) fascia.

Be sure the fascia is sound all around. Take into consideration the
quantity and weight of water. 100mm cubed is a kilo. That's 10 kilo a
meter length of the gutter should it fill.

And, top down seems reasonable procedure for the works.

I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that description is all too real.


NT

In message ,
writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Likely to **** up the appearance of the surface of the bricks pretty badly.

Nothing could be as badly ****ed up as you, you abnormal sleepless trolling
senile idiot!

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On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:32:34 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Leave it on whenever possible, just cut through it at the base. Time & weather will get rid of it eventually.


NT

On 27/01/2020 15:22, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullsterÂ* wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
Â* our drive.
Â*Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)
Â*Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant
carpenter,Â* he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that
the existingÂ* softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding)
and removal mayÂ* lead to further work with roof tiles.



Nothing wrong with that, but will you be able to push back the
tiles that overhang the fascia board to put a run of dpc or
epdm cut into long strips, that goes under any existing roofing
felt and overhangs the fascia and new UPVC so that no water can
get in between timber and upvc ?.

25 year old roofing felt! Unlikely. For an otherwise sound concrete roll
tiled roof, how important is the felt anyway?


The problem area is where the felt overlaps the fascia. This degrades
with time and tends to sag and droop down behind the fascia so any water
getting blown under the tiles ends up where it shouldn't.

Also there is normally a strip of tile batten along the top of the
fascia board (is on all the 70's houses where I live) and if water
gets into this it rots away and allows the bottom row of tiles to
drop.

On 28/01/2020 14:02, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.
Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)

Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant carpenter,
he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that the existing
softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy notwithstanding) and removal may
lead to further work with roof tiles.



Yes, Tim, a company would suggest that method given they then don't
have to disturb the roof cover to slide a thin piece of plastic against
the face of the fascia. Overall, an effective, nice cosmetic look.

On the other hand, to replace the system as a whole, ideally, the roof
cover will have to be removed to get good lines and fixings. If the
cover is tile and the bottom row of tiles is not fixed they can simply
push the bottom row of tiles up to have working space.

Otherwise they may have to remove a section length of tile. If there is
under-felt, it may be perished or, brittle, so they should also replace
a section length. Hopefully it will lift without tearing to allow the
new felt to be pushed under it to create a good lap.

A friend of many years ago had the same thing done. Given they just
tacked the plastic to any part of the surface, rather than the rafter
ends, it began to sag in places and drop off over a couple of years
because the wood fascia beneath had no 'body' to it. In winds it would
rattle. The weight of the plastic gutter also brought down a section of
the original wooden(rotten) fascia.

Be sure the fascia is sound all around. Take into consideration the
quantity and weight of water. 100mm cubed is a kilo. That's 10 kilo a
meter length of the gutter should it fill.

And, top down seems reasonable procedure for the works.

I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that description is all too real.


NT

Actually, it's a good thing to go and look at what are considered,
'Living Bridges'. In some areas they can drive trucks across them.

On 28/01/2020 14:25, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!


Lethal injection :-)

On 28/01/2020 15:34, Rod Speed wrote:


"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and
front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The
damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Likely to **** up the appearance of the surface of the bricks pretty badly.

We worry about what we are doing with the earth, Rod, and nature will
claim it all back when we do ourselves in, starting with our houses. The
buggers will suck the moisture below the foundations first.

On 28/01/2020 18:22, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:32:34 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Leave it on whenever possible, just cut through it at the base. Time & weather will get rid of it eventually.


NT


The thing with some plants is, they will store enough energy below
ground to pop back up at several new sites with a temper. And, there
growth rate can be immense.

It has to be systemic execution, as lovely as they look on some
properties. Modern homes don't last more than 40 years these days, do
they? Let the plant play with it, I say.

On 29/01/2020 17:56, Andrew wrote:
On 27/01/2020 15:22, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
On 27/01/2020 10:19, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 26/01/2020 22:13, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 21:55:49 UTC, thescullster wrote:
These will be fascias and soffit replacement and resurfacing of
our drive.
Would you be less disappointed with soffit-coloured driveway, or
driveway-coloured soffits?

Or a nice new drive with divots from the ladders of the soffit fitters
:-)
Discussing renewing garage fascias and soffits with my tenant
carpenter, he suggested overfitting with plastic on the basis that
the existing softwood is sound (brown paint and Ivy
notwithstanding) and removal may lead to further work with roof tiles.



Nothing wrong with that, but will you be able to push back the
tiles that overhang the fascia board to put a run of dpc or
epdm cut into long strips, that goes under any existing roofing
felt and overhangs the fascia and new UPVC so that no water can
get in between timber and upvc ?.

25 year old roofing felt! Unlikely. For an otherwise sound concrete
roll tiled roof, how important is the felt anyway?


The problem area is where the felt overlaps the fascia. This degrades
with time and tends to sag and droop down behind the fascia so any water
getting blown under the tiles ends up where it shouldn't.

Also there is normally a strip of tile batten along the top of the
fascia board (is on all the 70's houses where I live) and if water
gets into this it rots away and allows the bottom row of tiles to
drop.

I've come across such builds, Andrew. I would panel the area under the
lowest tile batten so the felt has as little a lip against the rear of
the fascia as possible.

When you see the mess that can occur, I cannot allow myself to leave it
as is. Thankfully, I can look back with a clear conscience.

"RayL12" wrote in message
...
On 28/01/2020 15:34, Rod Speed wrote:


"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and
front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts
may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The
damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Likely to **** up the appearance of the surface of the bricks pretty
badly.

We worry about what we are doing with the earth, Rod, and nature will
claim it all back when we do ourselves in, starting with our houses.

Didn’t happen with the pyramids, or what humans did with caves either.

The buggers will suck the moisture below the foundations first.

Not on that soggy little frigid island.

"RayL12" wrote in message
...
On 28/01/2020 18:22, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:32:34 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and
front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts
may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage
to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Leave it on whenever possible, just cut through it at the base. Time &
weather will get rid of it eventually.


NT


The thing with some plants is, they will store enough energy below ground
to pop back up at several new sites with a temper.

Thats not stored energy and there is no temper.

Some plants coppice, others dont.

And, there growth rate can be immense.

It has to be systemic execution, as lovely as they look on some
properties. Modern homes don't last more than 40 years these days, do
they?

Oh bull**** with brick and concrete block houses.

Let the plant play with it, I say.

On 30/01/2020 4:18, Rod Speed wrote:


"RayL12" wrote in message
...
On 28/01/2020 18:22, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:32:34 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and
front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several
cuts may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy
task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The
damage to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Leave it on whenever possible, just cut through it at the base. Time
& weather will get rid of it eventually.


NT


The thing with some plants is, they will store enough energy below
ground to pop back up at several new sites with a temper.

Thats not stored energy and there is no temper.

Some plants coppice, others dont.

And, there growth rate can be immense.

It has to be systemic execution, as lovely as they look on some
properties. Modern homes don't last more than 40 years these days, do
they?

Oh bull**** with brick and concrete block houses.

Let the plant play with it, I say.

Sorry for the word 'temper'. I will try to make my jovialities a little
more tight laced.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:09:30 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


We worry about what we are doing with the earth, Rod, and nature will
claim it all back when we do ourselves in, starting with our houses.

Didn¢t happen with the pyramids, or what humans did with caves either.

The buggers will suck the moisture below the foundations first.

Not on that soggy little frigid island.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane auto-contradicting
senile pest? LOL

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:18:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

"RayL12" wrote in message
...
On 28/01/2020 18:22, wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:32:34 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
tabbypurr writes
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14:13 UTC, RayL12 wrote:
I was once instructed, by the home owner, to cut back an Ivy from the
roof. It grew on the whole gable of the property. It encroached onto
both sides of roof by ~2 meters along both gable verges(back and
front).
It was pure toil. Every few inches it needed cutting and as it got to
the verge the branches were 20mm thick. Nothing like cutting a branch
off a tree. This stuff wrapped around itself such that several cuts
may
then lead to a relatively small, piece being removed. No easy task. At
the end of day, as I was preparing to leave, the ivy peeled back and
brought the best of the outer skin of the gable wall down. The damage
to
party fence and wheely bins was disastrous.

I've sometimes referred to ivy as structural ivy, sounds like that
description is all too real.

Hmm. The *attachment tendrils* come off with a sharp paint scraper on
wood. No satisfactory method yet found for brick:-(
(angle grinder + wire brush and pressure washer nbg) Time and weather
might work!

Leave it on whenever possible, just cut through it at the base. Time &
weather will get rid of it eventually.


NT


The thing with some plants is, they will store enough energy below ground
to pop back up at several new sites with a temper.

That¢s not stored energy and there is no temper.

Some plants coppice, others don¢t.

And, there growth rate can be immense.

It has to be systemic execution, as lovely as they look on some
properties. Modern homes don't last more than 40 years these days, do
they?

Oh bull**** with brick and concrete block houses.

At least it should be obvious now, even to him, WHY you have absolutely
NOBODY to talk to in real life ...and WHY you can't sleep but need to troll
on these groups every night, all night long, you clinically insane senile
cretin!

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: