Not just a case of drilling a solid stone wall.

It also means moving the furniture in upstairs office, lifting the carpet, pulling up floorboards....

Ditto in the master bedroom which is above the room with the smart TV in.

Also lift carpet and floorboards in landing.

The office is above the kitchen which is the room next door to the smart TV.

In a property this old, there is no dry lining so it's all thistle browning and bonding plaster.

All the beams are solid oak.

Too much labour involved to put in 10m of ethernet cable.

Even running ethernet outside is not viable as there is a 10m rum from smart TV to the outside wall and it would have to be weather rated ethernet cable.

So I can see why a 40 quid set of mains ethernet wall warts are cheaper and quicker than both the labour and materials involved in doing the cable run.

P.s. the kitchen floor and the floormof the smart TV room are tiled so have no carpet or laminate or floorboards to put back down either!

On 12/01/2020 16:51, Rod Speed wrote:
Because it is a convenient way to do things.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since
nowadays many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios
and the like are unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the
middle of a big field.

That’s only long distance MW which hardly anyone uses anymore.
I must be a hardly anyone .....

In message
,
Tim+ writes
Have you never been €œon call€�? Many industries and the NHS have many staff
who need to be contactable and sometimes available to go to a place of
work.


Yes.

And when I was, going out to play wasn't an option.

Adrian
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On 12/01/2020 13:54, wrote:
To Brian,

In all fairness, I would not like my Freeview or Freesat to be affected in the same way as on LW, MW or SW.

As a born profoundly deaf person, I rely on the subtitles and pictures working just like you rely on radio working as it's our link to the outside world.

So I don't use power line networking at my house and just have the minimum of WiFi so that's just tablets or smartphones.

Everything else is all ethernet wired, even the music systems, all smart TVs, all printers and scanners, all network storage etc.

The loft looks like a data centre server room as a result, with over 64 co-ax cables and over 64 ethernet cables coming in

The trouble is putting that in in an existing property that is already
decorated. I have just run ethernet and satellite/TV/FM/DAB cables
upstairs. The only way to do it and keep all those cables hidden neatly
away was while redecorating the hall, stairs and landing and it involved
pulling down the ceiling and putting a new one up afterwards, as the
bathroom floor above is tiled and there is no access from above. I
needed to replace the ceiling anyway due to previous water damage, but
if I hadn't, it'd have been a hell of a lot of work and disruption just
to get signals there that I could have sent there wirelessly.

SteveW

Adrian wrote:
In message
,
Tim+ writes
Have you never been €œon call€�? Many industries and the NHS have many staff
who need to be contactable and sometimes available to go to a place of
work.


Yes.

And when I was, going out to play wasn't an option.

Your point being? Just because it wasnt an option for you doesnt mean
that its not an option for others.

Tim



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On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:51:08 +0000, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

On 12/01/2020 16:51, Rod Speed wrote:
Because it is a convenient way to do things.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since
nowadays many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios
and the like are unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the
middle of a big field.

That’s only long distance MW which hardly anyone uses anymore.
I must be a hardly anyone .....

Marginally better than being a nobody, I guess.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:49:39 -0000, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

I'm just saying that its a very very bad idea due to what it does for
interference levels. What you need is some kind of system like a leaky
feeder which you can wrap around the outside of your house.

Er, isn't that the bit of using mains cabling for data you are
complaining about. ie mains cabling leaks...

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In article ,
writes
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
In wife's car and campervan
DAB
In my Defender and at home.
Internet
Never
Freesat
Never
Freeview
Never
LW, MW and SW.
Occasionally in wife's car and campervan

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel
well and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging
to wire the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper
to use the mains networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to
the fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two
is less than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely.
This is despite living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi
networks from neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!



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bert

On 12/01/2020 20:14, wrote:
Not just a case of drilling a solid stone wall.

It also means moving the furniture in upstairs office, lifting the carpet, pulling up floorboards....

Ditto in the master bedroom which is above the room with the smart TV in.

Also lift carpet and floorboards in landing.

The office is above the kitchen which is the room next door to the smart TV.

In a property this old, there is no dry lining so it's all thistle browning and bonding plaster.

Really ?. It used to be lime plaster mixed with horse hair and cows
****.


All the beams are solid oak.

Join up all the worm holes ? :-)


Too much labour involved to put in 10m of ethernet cable.

Even running ethernet outside is not viable as there is a 10m rum from smart TV to the outside wall and it would have to be weather rated ethernet cable.

So I can see why a 40 quid set of mains ethernet wall warts are cheaper and quicker than both the labour and materials involved in doing the cable run.

When they bought the farmhouse in the 1970s, all the old plaster was falling off.

So it was stripped a d replastered.

In article , charles
scribeth thus
In article ,
wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
Rarely, unless the car radio go to it from DAB

Most all the time..


DAB
In the car and on my bedside radio, Also in our sitting room

Not going to the change the motah just because its not got DAB!..


Internet

Main listening at home

Freesat
No satellite receiver

Freeview

In the kitchen



LW, MW and SW.

I could almost say 'never'.

It will be!, more Medium wave Tx's are being switched off soon
commercial and BBC local!....



I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well
and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire
the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the
mains networking than wiring up.

We just have hard bricks - not good for wifi or mobile phones. I have 5
mains network outlets for wifi. Alows SWMBO to use her iPad where ever she
wants.

The main overlooked problem with wi-fi is the limited number of channels
in the 2.4Ghz band tho I did hear that Ofcom are to widen out the 5.8
Ghz band up her the 6 Ghz region...

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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:40:04 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

LW, MW and SW.

It will be!, more Medium wave Tx's are being switched off soon
commercial and BBC local!....

Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

It also needs to remembered that BBC local stations have an important
role in times of emergency. A role that commercial stations would
struggle or simply not be capable if filling. The local prescence
being little more than the transmitters(s) feed from an automated
playout system the other end of the country.

The main overlooked problem with wi-fi is the limited number of channels
in the 2.4Ghz band ...

Only for those that live packed together like sardines. B-)

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In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

That would be because you're not packed together like sardines up there?
;-)

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:01:20 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand
works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria
is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It
has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

That would be because you're not packed together like sardines up there?
;-)

No the terrain, if it was flat a single MW Tx could cover the whole
county, might need two FM Tx's as Cumbria is BIG, over 4 times the
area of Greater London.

Sardines? Greater London comes in at 14,000 / sq mile. Cumbria as a
whole 190 / sq mile, the district 64 / sq mile, this parish 40 / sq
mile. B-)

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In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:01:20 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand
works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria
is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It
has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

That would be because you're not packed together like sardines up
there? ;-)

No the terrain, if it was flat a single MW Tx could cover the whole
county, might need two FM Tx's as Cumbria is BIG, over 4 times the
area of Greater London.

Very hilly country isn't the ideal place to build on. ;-)

Sardines? Greater London comes in at 14,000 / sq mile. Cumbria as a
whole 190 / sq mile, the district 64 / sq mile, this parish 40 / sq
mile. B-)

Which means it isn't worth providing decent radio etc coverage. They
*have* to make a large profit, after all. ;-)

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