The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Based on what we see at work, Microsoft branded ones, even though I hate
to say it, seem OK. OEM Lenovo OK too. Logitech definitely seems to wear.

On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Why do you need the keycaps - nobody looks at the keyboard as they type.
(unless going for one of the weirder exotic shift characters)

A, E, I, O and N, T wear out first typing English text.

So long as the oddball characters are legible it isn't a problem if the
most commonly used letters have worn off your keyboard. More of a
problem is when the space bar or return key becomes intermittent.

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:01:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

IBM Model M. I've been using this one daily since 1989.

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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have, a year later,
also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Why do you need the keycaps - nobody looks at the keyboard as they type.

How about people with increasingly arthritic hands, for one ?

( I could have just suggested people who simply never bothered to learn to
touch type, of whom there are countless millions, but arthritic hands or similar
looks more of a clincher)


michael adams

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Well, this Acorn one with clunky keys is 30 years old, and cleans up like
new. Shared with the PC desktop via a KVM switch. But doesn't have
'window' keys.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have, a
year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

The ones with the individual led backlit keytops.

They have to be double injection moulded.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:55:37 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:01:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

IBM Model M. I've been using this one daily since 1989.

I'll bet that one has micro-switches. They were magic!

On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

I think I have been using this Microsoft one for about 20 years, and the
legend on the A is perhapss very slightly faded, but still quite readable.


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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:02:10 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile asshole's latest troll**** unread again

03:02!!! And you've been up and trolling for almost an hour already! LOL Do
you psychopaths really know NO shame AT ALL? tsk

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The Natural Philosopher explained on 03/12/2019 :
What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Laser etched key caps.

pinnerite pretended :
I'll bet that one has micro-switches. They were magic!

The best ones used hall effect switches.

On 03/12/2019 16:02, Ray wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have, a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

The ones with the individual led backlit keytops.

They have to be double injection moulded.

Oh... so a ghastly 'gamers' KB?


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On 03/12/2019 16:11, John Rumm wrote:
On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have, a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

I think I have been using this Microsoft one for about 20 years, and the
legend on the A is perhapss very slightly faded, but still quite readable.


Ive got three logitek and two MS all wore out sitting right here


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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:11:26 +0000, michael adams wrote:


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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How about people with increasingly arthritic hands, for one ?

Well why in the name of all that is Holy are we *still* using keyboards
and mice in 2019 ?

Essentially because keyboards still work best with
bulk text if you can touch type and even if you cant.

(Brian will appreciate the sentiment).

Where's all this lovely "AI" stuff that is supposed to be able to divine
the most obscure inferences from our every breath, if it can't work out
how to take orders from a regular human ?

The best of the smart speakers do that.

I am beginning to suspect there's no "I" in "AI".

"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

I think I have been using this Microsoft one for about 20 years, and the
legend on the A is perhapss very slightly faded, but still quite readable.

That varys a lot with the individual. None of mine ever lasted
long and the arseholes wouldnt even cover that in the warranty,.
Thats why I changed to logitech who would cover it in the warranty
with very long warrantys,

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2019 16:02, Ray wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

The ones with the individual led backlit keytops.

They have to be double injection moulded.

Oh... so a ghastly 'gamers' KB?

Nope, a normal keyboard with backlit keytops.
https://www.logitech.com/en-au/produ...-keyboard-k800
There are wired ones too if you prefer those.

On 03/12/19 16:10, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:11:26 +0000, michael adams wrote:


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
[quoted text muted]

How about people with increasingly arthritic hands, for one ?

Well why in the name of all that is Holy are we *still* using keyboards
and mice in 2019 ? (Brian will appreciate the sentiment).

Where's all this lovely "AI" stuff that is supposed to be able to divine
the most obscure inferences from our every breath, if it can't work out
how to take orders from a regular human ?

Open-plan offices screwed that idea. Some are too noisy for even non-AI
to understand what is being said, IYSWIM!

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On 03/12/2019 12:55, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:01:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

IBM Model M. I've been using this one daily since 1989.


I have a Digital Equipment LK450, of similar vintage.

Nice solid clunky keys.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:42:50 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Well why in the name of all that is Holy are we *still* using keyboards
and mice in 2019 ?

Essentially because keyboards still work best with
bulk text if you can touch type and even if you cant.

BRILLIANT "reasoning" again, you clinically insane know-it-all! LOL

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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:57:14 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Nope, a normal keyboard with backlit keytops.

So for how long will the LED light last in comparison to a normal keyboard,
Mr. Know-it-all?

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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:45:21 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That varys a lot with the individual. None of mine ever lasted
long and the arseholes

Yes, because you clinically insane arsehole get up every night between 1 and
4 am and start typing and trolling like the clinically insane arsehole that
you are!

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On 03/12/2019 17:19, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 03:42:50 +1100, Ray wrote:



"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
[quoted text muted]

Essentially because keyboards still work best with bulk text if you can
touch type and even if you cant.

Faster than talking ?

I have a text to speech app. But I still need to type


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In article ,
pinnerite wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:55:37 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:01:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

IBM Model M. I've been using this one daily since 1989.

I'll bet that one has micro-switches. They were magic!

Thought what was known as an IBM keyboard (like this one) had membrane
switches? Nice and easy to clean if you spill coffee on it. ;-)

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I have a text to speech app. But I still need to type

One of them needs a serious talking to.

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:35:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/12/2019 16:02, Ray wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have, a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

The ones with the individual led backlit keytops.

They have to be double injection moulded.

Oh... so a ghastly 'gamers' KB?

This is the spun-off Model M factory.

https://www.pckeyboard.com/



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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?


I have many Logitech MK270 keyboards, its keys do rub off but it is dirt
cheap, or was. A quick look on Amazon shows even cheaper stuff now.

The Amazon basics model looks similar to the MK270 but is only £15.99.

The Tecknet bluetooth ultra-slim also looked good at £13.99, getting rid
of the number keyboard allows better posture with the mouse.

I also have a Logitech K360 which I use as a compact TV keyboard, its
letters seem a little more robust. It is ok.

Of course if you are an Apple man may I recommend the Apple Magic
Keyboard at only £132.00.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 03:42:50 +1100, Ray wrote:



"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
[quoted text muted]

Essentially because keyboards still work best with bulk text if you can
touch type and even if you cant.

Faster than talking ?

Much more reliable than talking and works better
in open plan offices and even at home so that
everyone doesnt have to listen to your yapping.

One fella I talk to on a big forum does claim to
do all his bulk text input by voice but he is the
only one I know who does.

It depends how well the lettering is embedded into the key caps. Back many
years ago the old Sinclair +and ql keyboards, although not very nice feel
wise never wore out as they were made from two different coloured plastics.
I am not sure why others never used this approach.

Luckily I do not need to see them so I've no idea if this Logitech wireless
is wearing or not!
Brian

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"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Based on what we see at work, Microsoft branded ones, even though I hate
to say it, seem OK. OEM Lenovo OK too. Logitech definitely seems to wear.

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 12:01:18 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

--
€œThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

Filco do 'ninja' keycaps, where the legend is on the _front_ of the keycap.
That works pretty well, and looks quite good.

My old-ish Cherry Keyboards have Double-shot keycaps I think, so the problem
doesn't arise.

On 03/12/2019 21:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
It depends how well the lettering is embedded into the key caps. Back many
years ago the old Sinclair +and ql keyboards, although not very nice feel
wise never wore out as they were made from two different coloured plastics.
I am not sure why others never used this approach.

Luckily I do not need to see them so I've no idea if this Logitech wireless
is wearing or not!
Brian

AKA Shot-moulded keys.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:30:10 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


One fella I talk to on a big forum does claim to
do all his bulk text input by voice but he is the
only one I know who does.

You just don't have any "fellas" in REAL LIFE to talk to, right, lonely
sociopath? LOL

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On 03/12/2019 12:23, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have, a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Based on what we see at work, Microsoft branded ones, even though I hate
to say it, seem OK. OEM Lenovo OK too. Logitech definitely seems to wear.

Just look for double shot (or two shot) moulded keycaps. Then you need
to decide on switch type (mechanical or membrane). Cherry Brown in my
case. I bought a Ducky keyboard - solidly built, with a metal plate base
for weight and stability.

One thing to watch, depending upon the age of your machine(s) - we have
a couple that won't go into the Bios with a USB keyboard and so I have
kept an old PS2 keyboard to hand.

SteveW

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

It depends how well the lettering is embedded into the key caps. Back many
years ago the old Sinclair +and ql keyboards, although not very nice feel
wise never wore out as they were made from two different coloured
plastics. I am not sure why others never used this approach.

Plenty of the non hobby operations like DEC and IBM did.

Its obviously much more expensive to do tho.

You still see it done today with the led backlit
keyboards which have a led in each key.

Luckily I do not need to see them so I've no idea if this Logitech
wireless is wearing or not!

It certainly will do but the rate varys with the fingers,
some wear out the labels a lot quicker than others.
And its not just sweaty hands either, I don’t have
sweaty hands at all but wear out the stuck on
labels a lot quicker than many others do. Likely its
how rough the fingerprint is or something like that.

"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Based on what we see at work, Microsoft branded ones, even though I hate
to say it, seem OK. OEM Lenovo OK too. Logitech definitely seems to wear.

On 03/12/2019 16:42, Ray wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:11:26 +0000, michael adams wrote:


"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
[quoted text muted]

How about people with increasingly arthritic hands, for one ?

Well why in the name of all that is Holy are we *still* using keyboards
and mice in 2019 ?

Essentially because keyboards still work best with
bulk textÂ* if you can touch type and even if you cant.

(Brian will appreciate the sentiment).

Where's all this lovely "AI" stuff that is supposed to be able to divine
the most obscure inferences from our every breath, if it can't work out
how to take orders from a regular human ?

The best of the smart speakers do that.

But are not going to be good in an office full of people using computers
and definitely where the information is restricted and on a need to know
basis.

SteveW

"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2019 21:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
It depends how well the lettering is embedded into the key caps. Back
many
years ago the old Sinclair +and ql keyboards, although not very nice feel
wise never wore out as they were made from two different coloured
plastics.
I am not sure why others never used this approach.

Luckily I do not need to see them so I've no idea if this Logitech
wireless
is wearing or not!
Brian

AKA Shot-moulded keys.

They are all shot moulded. The ones that dont wear
off the letters are double shot, two colors of plastic.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:45:29 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Plenty of the non hobby operations like DEC and IBM did.

Its obviously much more expensive to do tho.

You still see it done today with the led backlit
keyboards which have a led in each key.

Please shove your led backlit keyboards up your senile troll arse, like
everything else, senile asshole!

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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:08:07 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


They are all shot moulded. The ones that don¢t wear
off the letters are double shot, two colors of plastic.

I believe YOU need to be double shot in order to make you shut up for good,
you obnoxious senile cretin!

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On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months have,
a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

I've got a cheap as chips Cherry keyboard which I've been using for at
least 10 years and all letters still in good nick. Also has a USB
connection, can't be doing with this wireless stuff!
John M

On 03/12/2019 22:35, Steve Walker wrote:
On 03/12/2019 12:23, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 03/12/2019 12:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The stick on letters that I put on this logicrap KB after 6 months
have, a year later, also died.

What is the best keboard for keycap legend longevity?

Based on what we see at work, Microsoft branded ones, even though I
hate to say it, seem OK. OEM Lenovo OK too. Logitech definitely seems
to wear.

Just look for double shot (or two shot) moulded keycaps. Then you need
to decide on switch type (mechanical or membrane). Cherry Brown in my
case. I bought a Ducky keyboard - solidly built, with a metal plate base
for weight and stability.

At £120+++ they bloody well should be..

One thing to watch, depending upon the age of your machine(s) - we have
a couple that won't go into the Bios with a USB keyboard and so I have
kept an old PS2 keyboard to hand.

SteveW



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