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No timer on HW/CH system?
Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what
I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Cheers, T i m |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote:
Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Owain |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On 08/11/2019 18:14, T i m wrote:
Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Cheers, T i m An any modern electronic room stat provides timing. My controller box is configured to be on for CH 100% of the time and my room stat provides the timing with 4 off configurable on/off periods each with its own temperature for both on and off. While mine is a wireless module with the receiver fitted to the location of my old "simple" thermostat the mains switching is achieved by use of a relay. I assume any battery run thermostat will have a relay for any mains voltage switching. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 08/11/2019 19:28, ARW wrote:
On 08/11/2019 19:04, wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i mÂ* wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free And the timer for the HW? (sorry Tim I am politely taking the **** - no offence meant) Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 08/11/2019 19:43, alan_m wrote:
I assume any battery run thermostat will have a relay for any mains voltage switching. Better, they have a latching relay. So power is only drawn from the battery when turning the relay on or off. No power is needed to hold the relay in either state. |
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T i m wrote in news:u3bbsetk0orskaor6bpurdf530ipbfee0a@
4ax.com: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Cheers, T i m /If you have programable temp control then you don't need a CH Timer. If you have a combi then you don't need a DHW timer. |
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I had a programmable thermostats timer from Maplins aeons ago.
Would I call it simple? Not in terms of the kind of users I encounter in my day job! |
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No timer on HW/CH system?
Not in terms of the kind of users I encounter in my day job! But I'll bet that they could program their video recorder/hard disk PVR to record their favourite soap episode or configure their mobile phone for social media. and put a dog's nose of their selfies. |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:04:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Excellent, thanks very much for that mate. It seems to tick all the right boxes. ;-) I think it would be used in the 5+2 day mode as one occupant has the weekends off and the other two other days in the week (where it could just be overridden)? Cheers, T i m |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:45:01 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 08/11/2019 19:28, ARW wrote: On 08/11/2019 19:04, wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m* wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free And the timer for the HW? (sorry Tim I am politely taking the **** - no offence meant) Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. Cheers, T i m |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Saturday, 9 November 2019 11:29:55 UTC, T i m wrote:
Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp Mine's got LEDs :-) Modern boilers will have a frost stat internally but if yours doesn't you can check the instructions for that prog stat to see if it does. Owain |
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On Friday, 8 November 2019 19:44:04 UTC, alan_m wrote:
An any modern electronic room stat provides timing. My controller box is you can get just stats & you can get programmable stats. Only the latter do timing. Beware of crap UIs. NT |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Saturday, 9 November 2019 12:59:42 UTC, Graham. wrote:
If the thermostat or programmer is hard wired and switching mains, surely it would be mains driven, and wouldn't need a battery other than for power fail backup? Not always. Many modern ones are volt free contacts so there is no connection between the relay contacts and the internal gubbins, which are battery powered. Means there is no requirement for a neutral at the stat location, just L and Call. Owain |
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mm0fmf Wrote in message:
On 08/11/2019 19:43, alan_m wrote: I assume any battery run thermostat will have a relay for any mains voltage switching. Better, they have a latching relay. So power is only drawn from the battery when turning the relay on or off. No power is needed to hold the relay in either state. If the thermostat or programmer is hard wired and switching mains, surely it would be mains driven, and wouldn't need a battery other than for power fail backup? -- __ %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 09/11/2019 13:00, Graham. wrote:
mm0fmf Wrote in message: On 08/11/2019 19:43, alan_m wrote: I assume any battery run thermostat will have a relay for any mains voltage switching. Better, they have a latching relay. So power is only drawn from the battery when turning the relay on or off. No power is needed to hold the relay in either state. If the thermostat or programmer is hard wired and switching mains, surely it would be mains driven, and wouldn't need a battery other than for power fail backup? Most of these electronic room thermostats cater for a variety of different configurations so may use battery for electronics and a mechanical relay for switching. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 09/11/2019 11:29, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:45:01 +0000, alan_m wrote: On 08/11/2019 19:28, ARW wrote: On 08/11/2019 19:04, wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i mÂ* wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free And the timer for the HW? (sorry Tim I am politely taking the **** - no offence meant) Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) -- Adam |
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW
wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Cheers, T i m |
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Wrote in message:
On Friday, 8 November 2019 19:44:04 UTC, alan_m wrote: An any modern electronic room stat provides timing. My controller box is you can get just stats & you can get programmable stats. Only the latter do timing. Beware of crap UIs. NT The ones that use a rotary encoder instead of up/down buttons are more intuitive to use. The set-point and the current room temperature should be displayed simultaneously. -- __ %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? -- Adam |
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On 10/11/2019 06:59, ARW wrote:
On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? He'll call it a fork. |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 06:59:09 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? Sure, I'm not using it. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:25:13 +0000, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:04:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Excellent, thanks very much for that mate. It seems to tick all the right boxes. ;-) I think it would be used in the 5+2 day mode as one occupant has the weekends off and the other two other days in the week (where it could just be overridden)? Having a look though the instructions I'm not sure if this unit is as 'flexible' as I might have hoped, or maybe it is but I just wasn't expecting it to work this way ... https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...structions.pdf "10. Programming Time/Temperature Periods Note: • There are no OFF periods with this controller. As soon as a Start time begins, heat will be demanded until the temperature reaches/falls to the selected set point, then it will move on to the next Start time/temperature period, and so on. The closest you can get to turning the TRT035N programmable thermostat OFF, will be to set the selected period(s) to 10°C, this way the heating will not turn ON unless the temperature drops below these set points. • If you do not want a higher temperature period in the middle off the day, adjust the temperature for this period downward, to match those of the proceeding and subsequent period temperatures." Anyone care to put that into user friendly terms please? Like, I would have thought you could set the on / off times and the temperatures for each time. That you could also override it (either way) at any time, or tweak the temp and it would revert back to the pre-programmed routine at the next time interval? Maybe that's what it can do but the translation makes it sound more complicated? Cheers, T i m |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:20:05 +0000, Richard
wrote: On 10/11/2019 06:59, ARW wrote: On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? He'll call it a fork. Aww Dicky, you are *soo* funny! Seeing as you have jumped onto the bandwagon (/thrown yourself under the bus more like), care to explain why Adam might think either of the statements above were bollox? (Unless 'a cpmbi boiler' is an actual thing?) Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote:
Anyone care to put that into user friendly terms please? It's never off, just think of it as a frost-stat at all times when you don't set higher required temperatures ... e.g set 20 for 7am to get up, then 15 for 9am after you leave the house, 18 for 5pm when you return and 10 from 10pm for overnight, then you can boost it by the odd degree or two for the odd hour or two as required. |
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On 10/11/2019 10:02, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:25:13 +0000, T i m wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:04:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Excellent, thanks very much for that mate. It seems to tick all the right boxes. ;-) I think it would be used in the 5+2 day mode as one occupant has the weekends off and the other two other days in the week (where it could just be overridden)? Having a look though the instructions I'm not sure if this unit is as 'flexible' as I might have hoped, or maybe it is but I just wasn't expecting it to work this way ... https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...structions.pdf "10. Programming Time/Temperature Periods Note: €¢ There are no OFF periods with this controller. As soon as a Start time begins, heat will be demanded until the temperature reaches/falls to the selected set point, then it will move on to the next Start time/temperature period, and so on. The closest you can get to turning the TRT035N programmable thermostat OFF, will be to set the selected period(s) to 10°C, this way the heating will not turn ON unless the temperature drops below these set points. €¢ If you do not want a higher temperature period in the middle off the day, adjust the temperature for this period downward, to match those of the proceeding and subsequent period temperatures." Anyone care to put that into user friendly terms please? Like, I would have thought you could set the on / off times and the temperatures for each time. That you could also override it (either way) at any time, or tweak the temp and it would revert back to the pre-programmed routine at the next time interval? Maybe that's what it can do but the translation makes it sound more complicated? Rry: "Don't think in terms of turning the heating "on" and "off". Think in terms of setting the temperature for different periods throughout the say. You can set the temperature as low as 10 degrees. That's "off" for most purposes. But the heating /will/ still come on if it gets colder than that." I've installed a few similar for people who've had no trouble in practice with the way they work - especially with the help of diagrams like the one on page 10. And some of them have been people I'd have said were more suited to deciding what colour the wheel should be than installing heating systems (or indeed lecturing on neuroscience). -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Robin wrote:
On 10/11/2019 10:02, T i m wrote: On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:25:13 +0000, T i m wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:04:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Excellent, thanks very much for that mate. It seems to tick all the right boxes. ;-) I think it would be used in the 5+2 day mode as one occupant has the weekends off and the other two other days in the week (where it could just be overridden)? Having a look though the instructions I'm not sure if this unit is as 'flexible' as I might have hoped, or maybe it is but I just wasn't expecting it to work this way ... https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...structions.pdf "10. Programming Time/Temperature Periods Note: €¢ There are no OFF periods with this controller. As soon as a Start time begins, heat will be demanded until the temperature reaches/falls to the selected set point, then it will move on to the next Start time/temperature period, and so on. The closest you can get to turning the TRT035N programmable thermostat OFF, will be to set the selected period(s) to 10°C, this way the heating will not turn ON unless the temperature drops below these set points. €¢ If you do not want a higher temperature period in the middle off the day, adjust the temperature for this period downward, to match those of the proceeding and subsequent period temperatures." Anyone care to put that into user friendly terms please? Like, I would have thought you could set the on / off times and the temperatures for each time. That you could also override it (either way) at any time, or tweak the temp and it would revert back to the pre-programmed routine at the next time interval? Maybe that's what it can do but the translation makes it sound more complicated? Rry: "Don't think in terms of turning the heating "on" and "off". Think in terms of setting the temperature for different periods throughout the say. You can set the temperature as low as 10 degrees. That's "off" for most purposes. But the heating /will/ still come on if it gets colder than that." I've installed a few similar for people who've had no trouble in practice with the way they work - especially with the help of diagrams like the one on page 10. And some of them have been people I'd have said were more suited to deciding what colour the wheel should be than installing heating systems (or indeed lecturing on neuroscience). Id seriously consider a Hive (or similar) system. You can then set things to a profile which matches your needs and, best of all, turn it on/off remotely via your phone etc. If, for example, we go out for the day we can turn off the heating and turn it on remotely when we are heading back. When we are returning from trips ( holidays) I turn on the hot water ( and heating if needed) so we can have a shower etc. You can set it up for anti-frost etc. , to automatically detect when everyone has left the house ( using their phones), when someone is returning, ..... You can add individual radiator valves to control each room - electronic thermostatic valves with a remote override. Even, should you like gadgets, control the temperature via Alexa etc with your voice. |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:15:21 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: T i m wrote: Anyone care to put that into user friendly terms please? It's never off, just think of it as a frost-stat at all times when you don't set higher required temperatures ... Ok ... e.g set 20 for 7am to get up, then 15 for 9am after you leave the house, 18 for 5pm when you return and 10 from 10pm for overnight, then you can boost it by the odd degree or two for the odd hour or two as required. Ok, that sounds reasonable, thanks. ;-) FWIW, (I have since found out) the existing stat is a Honeywell T40. Cheers, T i m |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:31:01 +0000, Robin wrote:
snip "Don't think in terms of turning the heating "on" and "off". Think in terms of setting the temperature for different periods throughout the say. You can set the temperature as low as 10 degrees. That's "off" for most purposes. But the heating /will/ still come on if it gets colder than that." I've installed a few similar for people who've had no trouble in practice with the way they work - especially with the help of diagrams like the one on page 10. Thanks, I just wanted to check that the way it worked was 'reasonable', rather than getting and fitting it and then having people ask, 'who sold you that then'. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:58 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay
wrote: snip I’d seriously consider a Hive (or similar) system. I'm not sure that would tick the VFM box Brian, especially for a rented flat. ;-) You can then set things to a profile which matches your needs and, best of all, turn it on/off remotely via your phone etc. If, for example, we go out for the day we can turn off the heating and turn it on remotely when we are heading back. When we are returning from trips ( holidays) I turn on the hot water ( and heating if needed) so we can have a shower etc. You can set it up for anti-frost etc. , to automatically detect when everyone has left the house ( using their phones), when someone is returning, ..... You can add individual radiator valves to control each room - electronic thermostatic valves with a remote override. It sounds 'clever' that's for sure, just overkill for this scenario. The purpose was to try to offset the cost of running the CH when the flat was unoccupied (by not or running it at a lower temperature (automatically, if they forget to turn the stat down) to have it warmer when they are there. Even, should you like gadgets, control the temperature via Alexa etc with your voice. Oh, I love gadgets and have a couple of Google Home / Mini here, one unplugged and one still in it's box (a gift). Gotta go, my 3D printing design should be finished. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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T i m wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:58 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote: snip I’d seriously consider a Hive (or similar) system. I'm not sure that would tick the VFM box Brian, especially for a rented flat. ;-) Easy enough to take with you. The system is in three bits. The bit which connects to the internet is intended to be taken to your next house as I understand the system as it is linked to YOU. When middle daughter bought a house with Hive, they had to buy the Internet link box as the previous owner had taken it. The other two bits are the room stat and the boiler interface. All three link wirelessly. I think the full system was about £150 ( unfitted) for a version compatible with a fully pumped CH and hot water system. The interface just clips to the standard controller backplate in most cases, sometimes you need to change one wire. Then it is just a few buttons to press and setting up a free account with Hive for remote access. |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:42:42 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay
wrote: T i m wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:58 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote: snip I?d seriously consider a Hive (or similar) system. I'm not sure that would tick the VFM box Brian, especially for a rented flat. ;-) Easy enough to take with you. Ok. The system is in three bits. The bit which connects to the internet is intended to be taken to your next house as I understand the system as it is linked to YOU. When middle daughter bought a house with Hive, they had to buy the Internet link box as the previous owner had taken it. Ok. The other two bits are the room stat and the boiler interface. All three link wirelessly. Ok, that makes things easier (especially in a rented place). I think the full system was about £150 ( unfitted) for a version compatible with a fully pumped CH and hot water system. The interface just clips to the standard controller backplate in most cases, sometimes you need to change one wire. Then it is just a few buttons to press and setting up a free account with Hive for remote access. Might be worth a look I guess. I assume you can also 'view' the current settings remotely, in case someone else was home when they might not normally be (in case you thought you had left the heating on)? So, two occupants with smartphones, would it know when each was in and (say) turn the heating off (down) when neither was present? Cheers, T i m |
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On 10/11/2019 10:02, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 11:25:13 +0000, T i m wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:04:14 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Friday, 8 November 2019 18:14:27 UTC, T i m wrote: Combi boiler in a flat with just a room stat in the lounge (from what I can see). Can you get (at a reasonable cost) a simple Clock / timer stat for such circumstances and if so, would / could they be battery powered, assuming the stat isn't currently fed by mains? Programmable thermostat. £29 + VAT https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SMTRT035.html battery powered, contacts are changeover volt-free Excellent, thanks very much for that mate. It seems to tick all the right boxes. ;-) I think it would be used in the 5+2 day mode as one occupant has the weekends off and the other two other days in the week (where it could just be overridden)? Having a look though the instructions I'm not sure if this unit is as 'flexible' as I might have hoped, or maybe it is but I just wasn't expecting it to work this way ... https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technic...structions.pdf "10. Programming Time/Temperature Periods Note: €¢ There are no OFF periods with this controller. As soon as a Start time begins, heat will be demanded until the temperature reaches/falls to the selected set point, then it will move on to the next Start time/temperature period, and so on. The most boring instructional video I've seen in a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zfWEVtL5Co No off periods but you could set every other start temperature to, say, 5 C which will effectively turn the CH off unless the pipes are about to freeze. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 10/11/2019 09:55, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 06:59:09 +0000, ARW wrote: On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? Sure, I'm not using it. ;-) I doubt you have finished with it. -- Adam |
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On 10/11/2019 10:08, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:20:05 +0000, Richard wrote: On 10/11/2019 06:59, ARW wrote: On 09/11/2019 22:50, T i m wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:26:00 +0000, ARW wrote: snip Its a cpmbi boiler with hot water on demand? I think Adam was trying to be funny. I put HW/CH in the title because the boiler does both so I threw that in *in case* there was some special reason there wasn't a timer for the CH already. Like a fridge needing the heat of an incandescent lamp or a boiler coming on on it's own to prevent freezing etc. You are talking ********:-) Care to dig any deeper? Can I borrow your spade? He'll call it a fork. Aww Dicky, you are *soo* funny! Seeing as you have jumped onto the bandwagon (/thrown yourself under the bus more like), care to explain why Adam might think either of the statements above were bollox? (Unless 'a cpmbi boiler' is an actual thing?) Cheers, T i m I politely took the ****. But can I borrow your fork? -- Adam |
No timer on HW/CH system?
T i m wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:42:42 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote: T i m wrote: On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:58 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote: snip I?d seriously consider a Hive (or similar) system. I'm not sure that would tick the VFM box Brian, especially for a rented flat. ;-) Easy enough to take with you. Ok. The system is in three bits. The bit which connects to the internet is intended to be taken to your next house as I understand the system as it is linked to YOU. When middle daughter bought a house with Hive, they had to buy the Internet link box as the previous owner had taken it. Ok. The other two bits are the room stat and the boiler interface. All three link wirelessly. Ok, that makes things easier (especially in a rented place). I think the full system was about £150 ( unfitted) for a version compatible with a fully pumped CH and hot water system. The interface just clips to the standard controller backplate in most cases, sometimes you need to change one wire. Then it is just a few buttons to press and setting up a free account with Hive for remote access. Might be worth a look I guess. I assume you can also 'view' the current settings remotely, in case someone else was home when they might not normally be (in case you thought you had left the heating on)? Yes. So, two occupants with smartphones, would it know when each was in and (say) turn the heating off (down) when neither was present? You can set it up so it goes off when both (or more ) leave. When one approaches (I cant recall how close, I think 1/4 mile) the system turns on. I could turn the heating down (or off) if I was out but Senior Management was home but she wouldnt be impressed. ;-) You can also see a €˜history of your room temp by day, week etc which is quite interesting and useful to set up your timing cycle. I was surprised how long the house stayed warm (ie at the set temp) after I set the heating to off in the evening. You can have several timing periods per day - not sure what the limit is. Im sure other systems offer similar functionality, I just happen to have settled on Hive. I suspect they are similar to install etc. |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:53:23 +0000, ARW
wrote: snip I politely took the ****. I know, you said, but how though (and IDGAF about 'polite')? But can I borrow your fork? Of course, if it helps you dig. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
No timer on HW/CH system?
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:05:20 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay
wrote: snip Might be worth a look I guess. I assume you can also 'view' the current settings remotely, in case someone else was home when they might not normally be (in case you thought you had left the heating on)? Yes. Ok. So, two occupants with smartphones, would it know when each was in and (say) turn the heating off (down) when neither was present? You can set it up so it goes off when both (or more ) leave. When one approaches (I can’t recall how close, I think 1/4 mile) the system turns on. And I'm guessing you can still have a reasonable 'frost' setting for when the dog is left there (or give the dog a smartphone). ;-) I could turn the heating down (or off) if I was out but Senior Management was home but she wouldn’t be impressed. ;-) Quite. Him. "Get yer coat on." Her. "Oooh, are we going out?" Him. "No, I'm going up the pub and turning the heating off ... " You can also see a ‘history’ of your room temp by day, week etc which is quite interesting and useful to set up your timing cycle. I was surprised how long the house stayed warm (ie at the set temp) after I set the heating to off in the evening. Yeah, the flat in question seems to warm up quickly and stay warm reasonably well as well. It must help being a flat and could gain from the warmth from below and the insulation from above? You can have several timing periods per day - not sure what the limit is. I guess that wouldn't be such an issue if you hard the option of remote control in advance (assuming you remember etc). I’m sure other systems offer similar functionality, I just happen to have settled on Hive. I suspect they are similar to install etc. I think Hive was one of the first wasn't it? Cheers, T i m |
No timer on HW/CH system?
T i m wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:05:20 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote: snip Might be worth a look I guess. I assume you can also 'view' the current settings remotely, in case someone else was home when they might not normally be (in case you thought you had left the heating on)? Yes. Ok. So, two occupants with smartphones, would it know when each was in and (say) turn the heating off (down) when neither was present? You can set it up so it goes off when both (or more ) leave. When one approaches (I can’t recall how close, I think 1/4 mile) the system turns on. And I'm guessing you can still have a reasonable 'frost' setting for when the dog is left there (or give the dog a smartphone). ;-) The default is 7 dog but you can set it to whatever you like, it is just like one of the normal setting periods. I could turn the heating down (or off) if I was out but Senior Management was home but she wouldn’t be impressed. ;-) Quite. Him. "Get yer coat on." Her. "Oooh, are we going out?" Him. "No, I'm going up the pub and turning the heating off ... " ROTFL You can also see a ‘history’ of your room temp by day, week etc which is quite interesting and useful to set up your timing cycle. I was surprised how long the house stayed warm (ie at the set temp) after I set the heating to off in the evening. Yeah, the flat in question seems to warm up quickly and stay warm reasonably well as well. It must help being a flat and could gain from the warmth from below and the insulation from above? In a flat yes. We have cavity wall insulation (when the house was built) and good loft insulation etc. You can have several timing periods per day - not sure what the limit is. I guess that wouldn't be such an issue if you hard the option of remote control in advance (assuming you remember etc). I’m sure other systems offer similar functionality, I just happen to have settled on Hive. I suspect they are similar to install etc. I think Hive was one of the first wasn't it? I think so. |
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