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Hello all,
I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA |
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Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA You could try a thin layer of neutral cure clear silicone. Being neutral cure, it shouldnt harm the copper etc. Being clear, you can see the wires are kept apart as you apply it. |
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wrote in message ... Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? Sugru. |
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Lonely Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:00:52 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Sugru. Shove it up your senile troll arse, senile Rodent! -- "Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed: "You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad little ignorant ****." MID: |
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Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA I had this problem with an Ereagle cameral. In the end I checked the type number on the ribbon cable, which specifies the thickness and pitch, and measured the length and number of ways; and found 100 of them for about 5 quid on Alibaba. They are about 1cm longer than the original, but this is easlly accommodated at one end. (I doubt if they fit yours but they are 100Pcs AWM 20624 80C 60V VW-1 230 x 0.5mm 26 Pin FFC . I also have a couple of the same thing 8" long which were too short for my application. You would be welcome to a couple if they did fit) -- Roger Hayter |
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Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote: Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA I had this problem with an Ereagle cameral. In the end I checked the type number on the ribbon cable, which specifies the thickness and pitch, and measured the length and number of ways; and found 100 of them for about 5 quid on Alibaba. They are about 1cm longer than the original, but this is easlly accommodated at one end. (I doubt if they fit yours but they are 100Pcs AWM 20624 80C 60V VW-1 230 x 0.5mm 26 Pin FFC . I also have a couple of the same thing 8" long which were too short for my application. You would be welcome to a couple if they did fit) Actually I was mistaken, it was Amazon marketplace I got them. But I just put ""AWM 20624" price uk" into Google and sifted the results for length etc. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 10:12:14 PM UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
snip Actually I was mistaken, it was Amazon marketplace I got them. But I just put ""AWM 20624" price uk" into Google and sifted the results for length etc. -- Roger Hayter Thanks for the offer but I do not think they would be suitable. Plus I can not access any plug at the end of the cable as the wires disappear inside sealed units both ends. |
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 9:01:04 PM UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message ... snip Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? Sugru. Looks like pretty cool stuff. I can think of a couple of jobs for it. Thanks. |
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 8:25:57 PM UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
snip You could try a thin layer of neutral cure clear silicone. Being neutral cure, it shouldnt harm the copper etc. Being clear, you can see the wires are kept apart as you apply it. Clever thinking on it being clear, but pretty messy to apply I would guess. |
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 10:12:14 PM UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: snip Actually I was mistaken, it was Amazon marketplace I got them. But I just put ""AWM 20624" price uk" into Google and sifted the results for length etc. -- Roger Hayter Thanks for the offer but I do not think they would be suitable. Plus I can not access any plug at the end of the cable as the wires disappear inside sealed units both ends. That which i sealed can be unsealed! Though if you are not comfortable dismantling it that would be a problem. -- Roger Hayter |
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"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2019 23:20, wrote: On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 9:01:04 PM UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote: Sugru. Looks like pretty cool stuff. I can think of a couple of jobs for it. Thanks. But it probably sets rock hard No it doesnt. and the flexi wire no longer bends. Nope. |
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Lonely Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:16:52 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: But it probably sets rock hard No it doesn¢t. LOL and the flexi wire no longer bends. Nope. LOL In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane auto-contradicting senile ASSHOLE? LOL -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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So is this really wire or one of those printed circuit flexible couplings as
you get on the end of keyboard membranes. If it is the latter, I'd suggest its not repairable, but otherwise it depends on how far apart the wires are and whether you might be able to get in with some electrical lacquer of some kind. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Paddy Dzell" wrote in message ... has brought this to us : Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA Wouldn't be flexible but only think that comes to mind is a blob of hot-melt glue on the bare conductors? |
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:38:16 +0100, alan_m wrote:
Sugru. Looks like pretty cool stuff. I can think of a couple of jobs for it. But it probably sets rock hard and the flexi wire no longer bends. No Sugru stays soft but not as soft as a thin layer of silicone. It's also opaque and quite firm before curing. Neutral cure clear silicone is far softer before curing and far more flexible/robust when cured. Not quite sure what "... the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away." actually means. PVC is normally very stable but doesn't like UV from sunlight. It's also not clear if the controls/screen are on the flap, thus the cable has to flex with the hinge or if the controls/screen are merely covered by the flap. A photo or three would be very useful. Other things a PCB "conformal coating", sprys or paint on with small brush. Flexible to some extent but won'ttake repeated flexing. Or maybe pot the whole in "Magic Gel" from Raytech. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Saturday, 19 October 2019 20:09:23 UTC+1, wrote:
Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_and_weft : consider the copper as warp, and use cotton or thread as the weft woven into it, positioned with a needle and a steady hand. That provides both separation and insulation. Perhaps, use one or two extra warp strands on each edge, adding strength. Push the weft strands together as you go, so that there is continuous coverage. The sort of glue that comes (came?) in bicycle puncture repair outfits _should_ dry flexible. If so, it could be applied over and into the weft. Note that it would have been useful to give numeric values for "fine" and "close". Of course, you will test this on a facsimile of the real thing. -- (c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Using Google Groups. | Mail: - or as Reply-To, if any. | |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:38:16 +0100, alan_m wrote: Sugru. Looks like pretty cool stuff. I can think of a couple of jobs for it. But it probably sets rock hard and the flexi wire no longer bends. No Sugru stays soft but not as soft as a thin layer of silicone. It's also opaque and quite firm before curing. Neutral cure clear silicone is far softer before curing and far more flexible/robust when cured. Not quite sure what "... the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away." actually means. PVC is normally very stable but doesn't like UV from sunlight. It's also not clear if the controls/screen are on the flap, thus the cable has to flex with the hinge or if the controls/screen are merely covered by the flap. A photo or three would be very useful. Other things a PCB "conformal coating", sprys or paint on with small brush. Flexible to some extent but won'ttake repeated flexing. Or maybe pot the whole in "Magic Gel" from Raytech. Conformal coating, such as Humiseal, would be a good choice if he can get hold of some. Ive never tried to buy it privately/over the counter, it came across it professionally- it was used to coat PCBs as you say. PCBs are normally dipped or sprayed but reworked areas are touched up by hand with a brush. The older stuff was, I believe considered hazardous but I think a newer version ( with a safer solvent) was introduced. |
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On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 9:47:30 AM UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
So is this really wire or one of those printed circuit flexible couplings as you get on the end of keyboard membranes. If it is the latter, I'd suggest its not repairable, but otherwise it depends on how far apart the wires are and whether you might be able to get in with some electrical lacquer of some kind. Brian It is wire. |
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On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 11:49:05 AM UTC+1, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:38:16 +0100, alan_m wrote: Sugru. Looks like pretty cool stuff. I can think of a couple of jobs for it. But it probably sets rock hard and the flexi wire no longer bends. No Sugru stays soft but not as soft as a thin layer of silicone. It's also opaque and quite firm before curing. Neutral cure clear silicone is far softer before curing and far more flexible/robust when cured. Not quite sure what "... the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away." actually means. PVC is normally very stable but doesn't like UV from sunlight. Opened it up after a few months in storage to find the wires bare and what had seemed to be conventional insulation now powder. It's also not clear if the controls/screen are on the flap, thus the cable has to flex with the hinge or if the controls/screen are merely covered by the flap. A photo or three would be very useful. Yes the screen and controls are in the flap and the wires bend with the hinge. I will think about where to post photos. Other things a PCB "conformal coating", sprys or paint on with small brush. Flexible to some extent but won'ttake repeated flexing. Or maybe pot the whole in "Magic Gel" from Raytech. Only thing I know about magic gel is the youtube video I just watched, but I can not see how to get just the wires in the gloop. |
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On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:48:01 AM UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote: On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 10:12:14 PM UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote: snip Actually I was mistaken, it was Amazon marketplace I got them. But I just put ""AWM 20624" price uk" into Google and sifted the results for length etc. -- Roger Hayter Thanks for the offer but I do not think they would be suitable. Plus I can not access any plug at the end of the cable as the wires disappear inside sealed units both ends. That which i sealed can be unsealed! Though if you are not comfortable dismantling it that would be a problem. -- Roger Hayter I do not think I can without causing damage. |
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On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 11:21:12 AM UTC+1, Reentrant wrote:
On 19/10/2019 20:09, wrote: Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA Check out Julian Ilett's Youtube videos on his solar battery charge controllers. He's tried pretty much all the above suggestions (esp. silicone, hot-melt glue, etc) and the only thing that has lasted long-term through all weathers is UV-settable resin. But it's not flexible. -- Reentrant Thanks for your repley. Mostly the flap is closed the wires are protected from the sun and weather. |
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:58:45 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote:
Other things a PCB "conformal coating", sprys or paint on with small brush. Flexible to some extent but won'ttake repeated flexing. Or maybe pot the whole in "Magic Gel" from Raytech. Conformal coating, such as Humiseal, would be a good choice if he can get hold of some. I ve never tried to buy it privately/over the counter, it came across it professionally- CPC, Rapid, eBay... have Electrolube HPA (High Perfomance Acrylic) conformal coating. I've used it to protect the components and PCB inside a tiping bucket rain guage. Other conformal coatings are available based on other materials like silicone. Further info from the OP indicates that the wires have to flex at least 90 degrees and I expct in quite a short distance. Not sure HPA would be up to that, other formulations might be. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Opened it up after a few months in storage to find the wires bare and what had seemed to be conventional insulation now powder. That's a bit weird. What other items was it stored with? Thinking that "something" from other items has attacked the insulation, can't think what tho'. The exposed part of the printed ribbon cable (I presume the same as the OP's) disintegrated in storage too, although to a goo rather than a powder. I am sure no secondary coating would adequately separate and support the naked 26 printed 'wires', let alon flex adequately. My only theory is vapour or liquid from slightly leaking AA alkaline cells gets at the coating. Since I replaced the ribbon cable I don't leave the batteries in! Spares are available (though I obviously don't know if the OP's model has spares): https://pakatak.co.uk/product/ltl-ac...-ribbon-cable/ Photos suggest it screws together; https://www.ronburyswildlife.com/201...n-display.html So I would recommend to the OP he either replaces it himself or finds someone, ? a maker club or something, who can. I suspect the ribbon cables are much cheaper on the general Internet than as specific spares, if you can find one. PS I think I may have the two little acorn ones I purchased in error, if they are the same as the differently branded ones I bought with identical model numbers. They cost me 24GBP but I would happily take a loss if they are useful. Just need the AWM number printed on them and the length. Purchased before I realised how many similar looking trail camera brands are around, many being approximate copies rather than badge engineering. Yes the screen and controls are in the flap and the wires bend with the hinge. I will think about where to post photos. So whatever solution is found has to cope flexing at least 90 degrees over justa few mm. Other things a PCB "conformal coating", sprys or paint on with small brush. Flexible to some extent but won'ttake repeated flexing. Or maybe pot the whole in "Magic Gel" from Raytech. Only thing I know about magic gel is the youtube video I just watched, but I can not see how to get just the wires in the gloop. It would be difficult to pot the wires but you might be able to paint them with Magic Gel. It's sort of "warm clear honey" viscosity when mixed and cures soft, elastic, flexable and translucent. If it doesn't want to stick to everything and form strings when trying to paint with it it could be the stuff to use. I only used it to pot up a 3 stage voltage doubler so just poured it, don't have a memory of it forming a string when stopping pouring. -- Roger Hayter |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:32:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote: That which i sealed can be unsealed! Quite, someone or something put it togetehr it *must* come apart. It's just a case of working out how it was assembled and how to reverse that. Though if you are not comfortable dismantling it that would be a problem. I do not think I can without causing damage. If the case halves are glued or friction welded a certain amount of damage is inevitable but once you got a start on such joints you can often just slide something from the start and the joint will open. Resealing afterwards either polystrene cement (for ABS cases) or self amalgamating tape or even agood quality and slightly stretched electrical insulation tape. Judging by my camera and the photo (see URL in my other post) they come apart with cross head screws, plus very careful remove of PCB flying lead plugs. Mine had rubber seals rather than glue. -- Roger Hayter |
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Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam, it is a waterproof digital camera which automatically takes photos when it detects movement. A flap on the base opens to give access to the controls and a small screen. A electrical ribbon cable connects the electrics in the body of the camera to the electrics in the flap. Unfortunately the insulation of the ribbon cable has completely perished and come away. Access to the ends of the copper wire is not possible as the units are sealed. Without insulation I am worried that the copper wires may either short out or become damaged when the lid moves. Can anyone suggest a way of protecting the wires with a flexible, insulative coating that can be applied to fine copper wires that are close together? TIA You dont say what model of little acorn you have but it sounds the same as mine. It is fiddly but you can dismantle the unit and replace the cable. Spares available from the importers for the UK. https://pakatak.co.uk/product-catego...n-spare-parts/ If you are not confident they also offer a repair service as does this chap who built up some knowledge on the little acorns. https://www.ronburyswildlife.com/p/c...l-support.html Best ring first or email as ISTR he had health issues a while back and may not be as active as he once was. GH |
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On 20/10/2019 23:41, Dave Liquorice wrote:
someone or something put it togetehr it*must* come apart. Simple minds. solvent weld? -- €œI know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.€ €• Leo Tolstoy |
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How about hair fix spray. They Will evaporate and hold the Wires together. Or one may try spray bandage stuff, once dry they seal and hold firm.
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 8:09:23 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Hello all, I have a "little Acorn" trail cam. Thanks everyone for your help. I have decided to be brave and try to take it apart. If I can get the old ribbon cable out without breaking anything then Pakatak sell a spare. I will update you all with success/problems as they occur. |
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On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 12:58:59 AM UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
PS I think I may have the two little acorn ones I purchased in error, if they are the same as the differently branded ones I bought with identical model numbers. They cost me 24GBP but I would happily take a loss if they are useful. Just need the AWM number printed on them and the length. Purchased before I realised how many similar looking trail camera brands are around, many being approximate copies rather than badge engineering. If I find out the AWM number I will let you know. Thanks. |
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On 21/10/2019 00:01, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Opened it up after a few months in storage to find the wires bare and what had seemed to be conventional insulation now powder. That's a bit weird. What other items was it stored with? Thinking that "something" from other items has attacked the insulation, can't think what tho'. snip Polystyrene and PVC don't mix well, the plasticiser can migrate from the PVC. Cheers -- Clive |
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Andy Burns wrote:
wrote: I have decided to be brave and try to take it apart. If you break it, aldi have them tomorrow ... https://www.aldi.co.uk/wildlife-camera/p/020702299474200 And if you miss those then Lidl a week later. https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/p/outdoor-...-camera/p26591 Though it is a very basic less well specced model than the Aldi one , or indeed the one Lidl usually do which gave results equal to my Little Acorn. GH |
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