Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg

--
Max Demian

On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?


Just being curious, are you trying to jump on the "I have a mental
illness" bandwagon?
Don't bother, you're already there.

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:26:24 +0100, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs
Computer wrote:

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5, GCHQ and other
dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be possible amongst ourselves to
conceive of a system of secure passwords and communications links
whereby we are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

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On 21/07/2019 13:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.

The 'shared secret' is pretty much uncrackable.

So two identical pieces of text on on each computer and each letter is
chosen at randon as the index value of the same letter somewhere in the
document.

Bloody hard to crack. Eventually of course if used too much patterns may
well emerge




https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg



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On 21/07/2019 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.
Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.
Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?
You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.
The 'shared secret' is pretty much uncrackable.
So two identical pieces of text on on each computer and each letter is
chosen at randon as the index value of the same letter somewhere in the
document.
Bloody hard to crack. Eventually of course if used too much patterns may
well emerge
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg

With both suggestions above, one would still be aware of the
encryption and encipherment (in the second suggestion) technique and
thus to be the subject of enforcement action by the monarchy's
lap dogs.

An interesting concept, but surely then they would have access to the system
we used to create them which would be as good as having them.
In the end I think I'd not go paranoid over that particular problem, I'd
think more about the nasty person who hacks your account for gain, and I'd
like to suggest somee thing based on DNA, rather than anything else. Its no
good using retina scanning as some people do not have eyes or at least ones
that can be seen as normal, some people do not have fingerprints, I know two
like that, no swirls, and I'm not keen on the Apple Face ID idea even though
I'm forced to use it since its only max security if you have attention mode
on and I cannot use that myself.

Maybe we should all be microchipped. I bet that would **** a lot of people
off too. Some idiot would implant his in his pet or something.
Brian

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"Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer" wrote
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Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

On 21/07/2019 19:43, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 21/07/2019 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.
Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.
Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?
You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.
The 'shared secret' is pretty much uncrackable.
So two identical pieces of text on on each computer and each letter is
chosen at randon as the index value of the same letter somewhere in
the document.
Bloody hard to crack. Eventually of course if used too much patterns
may well emerge
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg

With both suggestions above, one would still be aware of the
encryption and encipherment (in the second suggestion) technique and
thus to be the subject of enforcement action by the monarchy's
lap dogs.


Well yes. Of course the index values could be two letter pairs chosen so
as to make almost meaningful text.





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On 21/07/2019 19:43, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 21/07/2019 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.
Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.
Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?
You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.
The 'shared secret' is pretty much uncrackable.
So two identical pieces of text on on each computer and each letter is
chosen at randon as the index value of the same letter somewhere in
the document.
Bloody hard to crack. Eventually of course if used too much patterns
may well emerge
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg

With both suggestions above, one would still be aware of the
encryption and encipherment (in the second suggestion) technique and
thus to be the subject of enforcement action by the monarchy's
lap dogs.

Known as "rubber hose" decryption.

--
Max Demian

On 21/07/2019 23:02, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 19:43, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 21/07/2019 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:37, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.
Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.
Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?
You would need a combination of encryption and steganography, so you
would send innocuous emails with an innocuous jpeg that contains the
message in a concealed form.
The 'shared secret' is pretty much uncrackable.
So two identical pieces of text on on each computer and each letter
is chosen at randon as the index value of the same letter somewhere
in the document.
Bloody hard to crack. Eventually of course if used too much patterns
may well emerge
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steganography+jpeg

With both suggestions above, one would still be aware of the
encryption and encipherment (in the second suggestion) technique and
thus to be the subject of enforcement action by the monarchy's
lap dogs.

Known as "rubber hose" decryption.

Just send encrypted files as attachements to emails to all the MPs and
then point out that they are in possession of encrypted files that they
coould be imprisoned for not revealing the passwords for (despite them
never having had the passwords) and they might just understand that a
law that that punishes someone for not revealing a password is wide open
to abuse by the establishment.

SteveW

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:46:15 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Maybe we should all be microchipped. I bet that would **** a lot of
people off too. Some idiot would implant his in his pet or something.

It'll come in time. And just as with the other spyware the public have
invited into their homes, they'll be queuing up for their implants like
the good little slaves they are.




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Brian Gaff wrote

An interesting concept, but surely then they would have access to the
system we used to create them which would be as good as having them.

Not if the system detects that sort of non you access and deletes them.

In the end I think I'd not go paranoid over that particular problem, I'd
think more about the nasty person who hacks your account for gain, and
I'd like to suggest somee thing based on DNA, rather than anything else.

Trouble is we have no DNA sensors currently.

Its no good using retina scanning as some people do not have eyes or at
least ones that can be seen as normal,

Those just don’t get to use that sort of security.

some people do not have fingerprints, I know two like that, no swirls,

Ditto.

and I'm not keen on the Apple Face ID idea even though I'm forced to use
it since its only max security if you have attention mode on and I cannot
use that myself.

The problem with those is that they don’t
have to force you to give them the password,
just wave the phone at your face etc.

Maybe we should all be microchipped.

Wouldn’t work either, because they would know
the chip code and can fake that trivially.

I bet that would **** a lot of people off too. Some idiot would implant
his in his pet or something.

Trivial to get it out of the pet and wave it at the machine.

"Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer"
wrote in message ...
Some of the Brit governmental activities emphasize
that there is no democracy here but just a monarchy
where those who ride that gravy train begrudgingly
empower the proles; examples being the tardy giving of
the vote to all males not just those owning property
and the very much later giving the vote to women.

Some things emphasize the them and us division between
the descendant spawn of the Norman Invaders and the
indigenous Brit populace, one being the RIPA whereby
those refusing to give their passwords to the plodderies
can be imprisoned.

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:57:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


An interesting concept, but surely then they would have access to the
system we used to create them which would be as good as having them.

Not if

You simply HAVE to auto-contradict, eh, you clinically insane senile pest?
It's your "LIFE"! VBG

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On Monday, 22 July 2019 00:28:36 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
Just send encrypted files as attachements to emails to all the MPs and
then point out that they are in possession of encrypted files that they
coould be imprisoned for not revealing the passwords for (despite them
never having had the passwords) and they might just understand that a
law that that punishes someone for not revealing a password is wide open
to abuse by the establishment.

Even better if you send them the password too.

The above passage contained 67 words and about 40 unique words. You don't have to tell them which is the password/phrase.

Owain

On 21/07/2019 23:29, Pamela wrote:

Gareth, what's the difference between "encryption" and "encipherment"?


A cypher / cipher is a letter-by-letter substitution, so,
peculiarly, Morse Code is not a code, it is a cypher, and,
if credit is due to its original technical developer,
it is not Morse Code but Vail Cypher.

On 21/07/2019 13:26, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:

Being as this is a D-I-Y group well distanced from MI5,
GCHQ and other dogs' messes, I wonder whether it would be
possible amongst ourselves to conceive of a system of
secure passwords and communications links whereby we
are not and can not be cognisant of the passwords and keys
such that we would be unable to revela them?

No probably not... then again we don't have to, since there are plenty
of off the shelf technologies that do that kind of thing.

When was the last time you were cognizant of the encryption keys used to
access that last https server you used?


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