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Wireless energy monitor recommendations?
Hi all,
The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. Cheers, T i m p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? |
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On Monday, 8 July 2019 14:27:46 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? I think the British Gas Minim monitors they gave away as part of a greenwash scheme a decade ago would do this, but they're known for not being terribly accurate. I don't think anything that clamps rounfd the meter tail is particularly accurate. They and similar appear on ebay for reasonable values of peanuts. p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? Yes. But I don't know if they show you how much credit is remaining on a prepayment meter. It would be a bit useless if they didn't, but I've got used to things being a bit useless. Owain |
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Hi all,
The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. Cheers, T i m p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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Hi all,
The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. Cheers, T i m p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? Prompted by this thread I've just ordered one of these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONZO-Smar...ipFi nCBRc37g I wonder if it comes with ready-leaked batteries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NyGMdg3NI4 -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 08/07/2019 14:27, T i m wrote:
Hi all, The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. Cheers, T i m p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? I have a Geo Minim - with the LED sensor, and find it is dead accurate - ie within about 100Wh per week. We have economy 7 and all the inaccuracy can be attributed to a small difference in switching times between the two tariffs - which could be corrected if I could be arsed. Only suitable if you have a flashing LED on your meter. I found the current clamp type to be very innacurate as they calculate the instantaneous power from an innacuratly measured current and a guestimated voltage whereas the LED sensor type relies on the meter itself for the total energy measurement so should be (and is) as accurate as the meter itself. |
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T i m wrote:
some sort of real-time energy monitor display. e.on used to give away the OWL energy monitors, in the days before smart meters, a clip-on current transformer/transmitter for the meter tails, powered by a D cell and a receiver/display in the house, even had an RS232 output with USB adapter that spat out XML https://ebay.co.uk/itm/OWL/273919816405 p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? yes. |
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Wireless energy monitor recommendations?
"T i m" wrote in message ... Hi all, The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? Not the only, the other obvious advantage is no longer having to read the meter and enter it on the web site etc. |
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On Monday, 8 July 2019 14:27:46 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
Hi all, The recent questions around issues with daughters pre-paid top up key (now resolved thanks) have made me think they might like / appreciate some sort of real-time energy monitor display. I have had one years ago (but it died) so I was wondering if anyone could personally recommend a particular make or model, ideally not to expensive? A simple / clear real-time usage display (ideally in a tangible form like kWh, not just 'None - Loads') and if it could also manage the current running 'cost', plus possibly the cumulative cost, that might be the cherry on the cake, especially if the total could also include a daily standing charge? Failing the extra bits, something with a reasonable remote range (meter / lounge at opposite ends of the flat) and the clearest display please. Cheers, T i m p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? The other perks are they read your meter remotely. And can shut you off remotely. And can change the tariff remotely. |
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On Mon, 08 Jul 2019 15:55:05 +0100, Graham.
wrote: snip Prompted by this thread I've just ordered one of these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONZO-Smar...ipFi nCBRc37g I saw those. I wonder if it comes with ready-leaked batteries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NyGMdg3NI4 Many of the listings for that model seem to suggest they do (or might). ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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Wireless energy monitor recommendations?
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:05:58 +0100, Andy Bennet wrote:
snip I have a Geo Minim - with the LED sensor, and find it is dead accurate - ie within about 100Wh per week. That is impressive. We have economy 7 and all the inaccuracy can be attributed to a small difference in switching times between the two tariffs - which could be corrected if I could be arsed. Making it even more impressive. ;-) Only suitable if you have a flashing LED on your meter. Both daughter and I do (as it happens). I found the current clamp type to be very innacurate as they calculate the instantaneous power from an innacuratly measured current and a guestimated voltage But give you a pointer to your usage at least? whereas the LED sensor type relies on the meter itself for the total energy measurement so should be (and is) as accurate as the meter itself. Understood. Based on the comments here, I should have one on it's way. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:52:15 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote: T i m wrote: some sort of real-time energy monitor display. e.on used to give away the OWL energy monitors, in the days before smart meters, a clip-on current transformer/transmitter for the meter tails, powered by a D cell and a receiver/display in the house, even had an RS232 output with USB adapter that spat out XML https://ebay.co.uk/itm/OWL/273919816405 Yeah, I had something similar for a while and was given another that I gave to a mate for his shop. Not sure how accurate they were in absolute terms but they at least provided pointers to the general usage. p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? yes. Thought so. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:37:48 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Don't smart meters offer this already? I believe they do but we don't have them (yet). Certainly I have had demos of the new ones that even have a voice. Cool, depending on how it spoke and when. I imagine it will say something like, unless you recharge you will be cut off in 10 9 8.... grin. Hehe. Cheers, T i m |
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 04:30:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: snip p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? Not the only, the other obvious advantage is no longer having to read the meter and enter it on the web site etc. Not to daughter it isn't (PrePay). ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 09/07/2019 00:34, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jul 2019 15:55:05 +0100, Graham. wrote: snip Prompted by this thread I've just ordered one of these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONZO-Smar...ipFi nCBRc37g I saw those. I wonder if it comes with ready-leaked batteries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NyGMdg3NI4 Many of the listings for that model seem to suggest they do (or might). ;-( I had one of those free from my supplier about 10 years back - failed after a couple of years with leaked batteries. -- Cheers, Rob |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 04:30:00 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: p.s. Am I right in thinking this is one of (/only?) the 'perks' of getting a smart meter fitted, the remote display thing? Not the only, the other obvious advantage is no longer having to read the meter and enter it on the web site etc. Not necessarily, all-knowing senile idiot! Depends on the provider of any country handling it in his preferred way. -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 05:08:08 +0100, RJH wrote:
snip I had one of those free from my supplier about 10 years back - failed after a couple of years with leaked batteries. I wonder if they had a batch of bad batteries then, if yours failed all those years ago? I can see how that could happen. I was privy to a design of an electronic gadget that was going to be sold though one of the big chains. The chain wanted to sell it for £19.99 and so would only pay £5 for it. So the designer had to make something on it and get it into the country all packaged up for less than that. We were looking at alternative components that were fractions of a penny different in price in effort to get the cost manufacturing cost down. We want the best and might assume stuff was made from the best bits available but of course, not for a long time. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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