Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what the
wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


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On 07/07/2019 09:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router
but then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have
tried all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what the
wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


Because it sure looks like your router is set up for WEP when it ought
to be WPA2/PSK.



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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
€œWe did this ourselves.€�

ۥ Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

How secure wep is really depends on what you use as a password.
As I say early systems would allow you to run them with none at all.
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On 07/07/2019 09:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what the
wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


Because it sure looks like your router is set up for WEP when it ought to
be WPA2/PSK.



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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
"We did this ourselves."

? Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 07/07/2019 09:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router
but then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5
or 13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have
tried all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what the
wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


Because it sure looks like your router is set up for WEP when it ought
toÂ* be WPA2/PSK.



I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook may
be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

On 08/07/2019 08:52, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router
but then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5
or 13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have
tried all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what
the wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


Because it sure looks like your router is set up for WEP when it ought
toÂ* be WPA2/PSK.



I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook may
be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

That doesnt answer why this has suddenly happened though.

It would have to be a mighty OLD piece of hardware not to do WPA. I
borowed an EEpc an that did WPA

But as usual we dont know amything about the notebook other than its an
asus, becaiuse the original poster hasn't deigned to tell us.


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higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

On 08/07/2019 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/07/2019 08:52, Chris Bartram wrote:

I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook
may be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

That doesnt answer why this has suddenly happened though.

It would have to be a mighty OLD piece of hardware not to do WPA. I
borowed an EEpc an that did WPA

Agreed. I've not booted my old EeePC in a long time...


But as usual we dont know amything about the notebook other than its an
asus, becaiuse the originalÂ* poster hasn't deigned to tell us.


Quite.

On 08/07/2019 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
But as usual we dont know amything about the notebook other than its an
asus, becaiuse the originalÂ* poster hasn't deigned to tell us.

It is an Asus Eee PC 1001P running win xp.

On 08/07/2019 08:52, Chris Bartram wrote:

I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook may
be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

The netbook was working before from that router.

On 08/07/2019 13:17, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 08:52, Chris Bartram wrote:

I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook
may be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

The netbook was working before from that router.

Yes. which is weird. Either the router used to handle WEP or te netbook
used to talk WPA.

On or the other has (been?) changed...

So now you are here, what operating system and exact model of netbook is it?


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On 08/07/2019 08:52, Chris Bartram wrote:

I'd agree this looks like WEP, but it sounds to me like the netbook may
be only able to handle WEP while the router is proably WPA/WPA2-PSK.

The netbook was working before from that router.

But might have got its config changed so its now attempting to use WEP
when previously it wasnt doing that.

I think the funniest one I saw was when somebody was scratching their head
over something like this, I just entered space and enter and it went ahead
and asked for the normal password. I do not know much about netbooks, but
surely somewhere this behaviour is explained.
Could be it thinks a completely different form of network.
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On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:
Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or 13
ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

Do you even understand how to log in to your router and check what the
wifi password is set to? Or set a new one?


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The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into
what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it
actually is.

ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.
"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits

sounds like the router is configured to use the ancient (horribly
broken) WEP encryption, can you reconfigure the router to use WPA or
WPA2 encryption?

On 07/07/2019 09:46, Andy Burns wrote:
ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.
"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits

sounds like the router is configured to use the ancient (horribly
broken) WEP encryption, can you reconfigure the router to use WPA or
WPA2 encryption?

Without guidance I would answer no to reconfiguring.

Worth mentioning my PC and various laptops,ipads etc all work ok from
the same wi-fi signal, it is just this one netbook that fails.

ss wrote:

Without guidance I would answer no to reconfiguring.

do you know the ip address of the router? when connected via wired
ethernet, what is default gateway and//or dns server address, in a home
that's 99% going to be the router ... point ypur web browser at that ip
address e.g. http://192.168.1.254

does it ask you to login? do you know the admin username/password, not
the wifi password?

Worth mentioning my PC and various laptops,ipads etc all work ok from
the same wi-fi signal, it is just this one netbook that fails.

worth mentioning that if your router is on WEP and you change it to WPA2
(a good thing) you'll have to re-enter the wifi password into all those
other devices to get them to re-connect.

On 07/07/2019 10:25, ss wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:46, Andy Burns wrote:
ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.
"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits

sounds like the router is configured to use the ancient (horribly
broken) WEP encryption, can you reconfigure the router to use WPA or
WPA2 encryption?

Without guidance I would answer no to reconfiguring.

Worth mentioning my PC and various laptops,ipads etc all work ok from
the same wi-fi signal, it is just this one netbook that fails.

Give up. You are too stupid to own a netbook

Maybe your netbook is configured to try and use WEP? And the router
supports both. Maybe your netbook can ONLY supprt WEP, in which case you
need to slap a wifi dongle in it


But since we dont know
- what make the netbook is
- what operating system it is running
- what router it is trying to connect to

it is all mere speculation.



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Théologie Ã* Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

ss wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:46, Andy Burns wrote:
ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.
"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits

sounds like the router is configured to use the ancient (horribly
broken) WEP encryption, can you reconfigure the router to use WPA or
WPA2 encryption?

Without guidance I would answer no to reconfiguring.

Worth mentioning my PC and various laptops,ipads etc all work ok from
the same wi-fi signal, it is just this one netbook that fails.


If the machine is running XP, check SP3 is installed. It is a long time
since I dabbled with Windows but Im pretty sure this problem can be caused
by a lack of updates.

(A WEP/WPA(2) issue is also a possibility, as has been suggested.)

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On 08/07/2019 06:40, Brian Reay wrote:
ss wrote:
On 07/07/2019 09:46, Andy Burns wrote:
ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.
"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits

sounds like the router is configured to use the ancient (horribly
broken) WEP encryption, can you reconfigure the router to use WPA or
WPA2 encryption?

Without guidance I would answer no to reconfiguring.

Worth mentioning my PC and various laptops,ipads etc all work ok from
the same wi-fi signal, it is just this one netbook that fails.


If the machine is running XP, check SP3 is installed. It is a long time
since I dabbled with Windows but Im pretty sure this problem can be caused
by a lack of updates.

(A WEP/WPA(2) issue is also a possibility, as has been suggested.)

WEP/WPA is not so much a possibility as a certainty.

The error messages is a WEP error

For whatever reason the combination is trying to use WEP.


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On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 09:28:48 +0100, ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.

So that tells us it is able to handle TCPIP on the wired port. I can't
remember if you set static entries for the Ethernet but if you didn't
that would suggest DCHP was also working ok.

I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

That worries me. There is (normally) only *one* right code and it
shouldn't be a lottery. It is also case sensitive so you must follow
that as well.

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

As others have said it suggests it thinks the router is using WEP and
whilst that shouldn't be a problem re connection, it isn't an ideal
solution in general.

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

See above.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

What I would still like to hear is that you have booted that netbook
from a Linux USB live image and that the wireless connects (or
doesn't). [1]

A successful connection would prove two things. 1) You are using the
right 'code' and 2) the hardware is compatible.

That's not to say that the Windows drivers were correct ... and I have
had it where an automagically installed (WiFi in this case) driver
doesn't work whereas the one from the WiFi card manufacturer does.

As an aside ... I have also replaced WiFi cards with devices that were
'Linux Compatible' (OOTB) as it was often easier than trying to get
them working in Linux. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. How well did you get on connecting the Netbook to someone else's
(friend / family / iNetCafe) router?

[1] It's only a few clicks to make a bootable Linux USB stick ...

1) Download this file:
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/w...mate-32bit.iso

2) Download and install this USB imaging software (others are
available):
https://unetbootin.github.io/

Open the link here and follow the steps:
https://unetbootin.github.io/#install

Just make sure you have selected the right USB device before hitting
Go! ;-)

Reboot the netbook with the USB stick plugged in and see if you get
the option to boot from it with the popup boot options (F10 etc)?

If it boots, use the 'Try' (not install) option and once at the
desktop, see if the networking icon shows any WiFi networks and if it
does and it shows yours, can you connect to it.

On 07/07/2019 11:50, T i m wrote:
p.s. How well did you get on connecting the Netbook to someone else's
(friend / family / iNetCafe) router?

Seriously Tim me even thinking about trying Linux would be suicidal, I
am prety much out of my depth with this already.

As yet I have not tried using a friends wi-fi as I have been away for a
couple of weeks I can hopefully get a neighbour to try for me.

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 23:43:29 +0100, ss wrote:

On 07/07/2019 11:50, T i m wrote:
p.s. How well did you get on connecting the Netbook to someone else's
(friend / family / iNetCafe) router?

Seriously Tim me even thinking about trying Linux would be suicidal, I
am prety much out of my depth with this already.

Hmm, the thing is, I'd say it would probably be easier (assuming
everything worked as it should) for you to 'use Linux as a test tool'
(you wouldn't be 'trying Linux' as such) than it would for you to
fault find this situation in a logical / professional manner. It
really is just a matter of a few mouse clicks so if not now, I'd still
recommend you doing it (or getting someone to do it for you) for the
test tool it will then give you. You might even appreciate it as an OS
for basic Web browsing etc. ;-)

As yet I have not tried using a friends wi-fi as I have been away for a
couple of weeks I can hopefully get a neighbour to try for me.

Ok. Let us know how you get on.

Cheers, T i m

On 07/07/2019 23:43, ss wrote:
On 07/07/2019 11:50, T i m wrote:
p.s. How well did you get on connecting the Netbook to someone else's
(friend / family / iNetCafe) router?

Seriously Tim me even thinking about trying Linux would be suicidal, I
am prety much out of my depth with this already.

As yet I have not tried using a friends wi-fi as I have been away for a
couple of weeks I can hopefully get a neighbour to try for me.

I think you are trolling them really well. Just answering enough of the
questions to keep them coming back for more. Carefully ignoring to
answer certain parts of the questions etc. That requires skill.

I'll give you 8/10 for keeping them replying, not to one thread, but two.

On 08/07/2019 19:26, mm0fmf wrote:
I think you are trolling them really well. Just answering enough of the
questions to keep them coming back for more. Carefully ignoring to
answer certain parts of the questions etc. That requires skill.

I'll give you 8/10 for keeping them replying, not to one thread, but two.

You are entiltled to your opinion but a lack of knowledge on a
particular subject does not equate to trolling.

On 08/07/2019 20:51, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 19:26, mm0fmf wrote:
I think you are trolling them really well. Just answering enough of
the questions to keep them coming back for more. Carefully ignoring to
answer certain parts of the questions etc. That requires skill.

I'll give you 8/10 for keeping them replying, not to one thread, but two.

You are entiltled to your opinion but a lack of knowledge on a
particular subject does not equate to trolling.

No. Its borderline but sadly pretending to be clueless is a classic
technique.

Have you gone into control panel and tried to set up a new wifi
connection using the wizard, selecting WPA, and entering the info on
the back of the router for SSIFD and password, yet?



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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 07/07/2019 09:28, ss wrote:

Having another attempt to get this netbook working on wi-fi.

It connects to the web if connected to the ethernet cable.
I have been putting in the various codes / passwords for the router but
then get this message.....

"It is asking for a network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits
depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as a 5 or
13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters".

The above does not relate to anything on the router label, I have tried
all the numbers/passwords to no avail.

Anyone know what or where I get this?

If you can get the netbook running on the ethernet as a temporary
measure, then drop me an email (or give me a bell on the office number -
see web site), and I can arrange to have a look at it for you via remote
control.


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John.

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On 08/07/2019 16:59, John Rumm wrote:
If you can get the netbook running on the ethernet as a temporary
measure, then drop me an email (or give me a bell on the office number -
see web site), and I can arrange to have a look at it for you via remote
control.

Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

On 08/07/2019 19:56, ss wrote:
Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

Update:

I think I can close this off now. The netbook has been investigated in
depth by remote by J Rumm for over an hour, the situation is still not
resolved and looks like winxp is likely the issue. I am confident that
all the contributions by others were covered by John, I say confident in
as much I havent a clue to most of what he was looking at.

Anyhow I do thank you all for your contributions and a special thanks
to John for the time taken to investigate it for me.

On 09/07/2019 21:56, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 19:56, ss wrote:
Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

Update:

I think I can close this off now. The netbook has been investigated in
depth by remote by J Rumm for over an hour, the situation is still not
resolvedÂ* and looks like winxp is likely the issue. I am confident that
all the contributions by others were covered by John, I say confident in
as much I havent a clue to most of what he was looking at.

Anyhow I do thank you all for your contributionsÂ* and a special thanks
to John for the time taken to investigate it for me.

For those still following along, I will give a quick summary of what we
know now...

So this is not a WEP/WPA issue. WinXP was correctly identifying WPA, and
actually connected without any difficulty.

What it does have is a DHCP problem after having authenticated on the
wifi. If I manually assign an IP in the correct subnet, then it works
ok. However that is not a useable solution for the use case required.

The router configuration and DHCP setup is fine (and other wifi devices
have connected and DHCPed ok)

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.


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On 10/07/2019 02:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/07/2019 21:56, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 19:56, ss wrote:
Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

Update:

I think I can close this off now. The netbook has been investigated in
depth by remote by J Rumm for over an hour, the situation is still not
resolvedÂ* and looks like winxp is likely the issue. I am confident
that all the contributions by others were covered by John, I say
confident in as much I havent a clue to most of what he was looking at.

Anyhow I do thank you all for your contributionsÂ* and a special thanks
to John for the time taken to investigate it for me.

For those still following along, I will give a quick summary of what we
know now...

So this is not a WEP/WPA issue. WinXP was correctly identifying WPA, and
actually connected without any difficulty.

so why was it issuing a wep error message?

What it does have is a DHCP problem after having authenticated on the
wifi. If I manually assign an IP in the correct subnet, then it works
ok. However that is not a useable solution for the use case required.


router has some special magic for its mac addr?


The router configuration and DHCP setup is fine (and other wifi devices
have connected and DHCPed ok)

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.




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...I'd spend it on drink.

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:08:17 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

For those still following along, I will give a quick summary of what we
know now...

So this is not a WEP/WPA issue.

And some were so convinced it was. ;-)

actually connected without any difficulty.

What it does have is a DHCP problem after having authenticated on the
wifi.

And we know DHCP works over Ethernet.

If I manually assign an IP in the correct subnet, then it works
ok.

Inc DNS etc?

is not a useable solution for the use case required.

Mobile netbook ... I'd still be interested to see if it connects
wirelessly to *another* network.

The router configuration and DHCP setup is fine (and other wifi devices
have connected and DHCPed ok)

I'd be interested to see if that netbook could connect to that router
with Linux. ;-)

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.

And it did connect to that router previously, possibly before VM
rolled out an update?

Can I think you for doing what this group was known for, helping
people in the real use of the word. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Just a thought given your findings, was there a 3rd party
Firewall on there?

On 10/07/2019 02:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/07/2019 21:56, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 19:56, ss wrote:
Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

Update:

I think I can close this off now. The netbook has been investigated in
depth by remote by J Rumm for over an hour, the situation is still not
resolvedÂ* and looks like winxp is likely the issue. I am confident
that all the contributions by others were covered by John, I say
confident in as much I havent a clue to most of what he was looking at.

Anyhow I do thank you all for your contributionsÂ* and a special thanks
to John for the time taken to investigate it for me.

For those still following along, I will give a quick summary of what we
know now...

So this is not a WEP/WPA issue. WinXP was correctly identifying WPA, and
actually connected without any difficulty.

What it does have is a DHCP problem after having authenticated on the
wifi. If I manually assign an IP in the correct subnet, then it works
ok. However that is not a useable solution for the use case required.

The router configuration and DHCP setup is fine (and other wifi devices
have connected and DHCPed ok)

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.




JFI, I dug out an old HP tablet PC (TC4200) last week with a broken
backlight inverter which I have no replaced so I can see the screen.

Its running Vista.

It will connect to my WiFi and I can resolve DNS and ping stuff but it
will not browse using IE. No proxy setup.

Some sites do respond, one said it supports browsers not dinosaurs!.

It is quite possible that so many sites have dropped support for really
old versions of IE so they just don't work any more.

Jethro_uk wrote:

there's nothing else on the network
that's doing a DHCP job is there ?

wouldn't easily explain why DHCP works on ethernet, but not on WiFi

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:14:22 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote:

snip

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.

Well troll hunters will be upset.

;-)

I had exactly the same thing when using a Linux newsgroup when
reporting an isssue with overspeed on a wired mouse (FFS). It took
someone offering to come in remotely and try to fix the problem did
all the troll hunters have to eat their words (except being mostly
left brainers they didn't of course). ;-)


Cheers, T i m

On 10/07/2019 11:14, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:08:17 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 09/07/2019 21:56, ss wrote:
On 08/07/2019 19:56, ss wrote:
Ok will try and ring tomorrow, it did run on the ethernet yesterday.

Update:

I think I can close this off now. The netbook has been investigated in
depth by remote by J Rumm for over an hour, the situation is still not
resolvedÂ* and looks like winxp is likely the issue. I am confident that
all the contributions by others were covered by John, I say confident
in as much I havent a clue to most of what he was looking at.

Anyhow I do thank you all for your contributionsÂ* and a special thanks
to John for the time taken to investigate it for me.

For those still following along, I will give a quick summary of what we
know now...

So this is not a WEP/WPA issue. WinXP was correctly identifying WPA, and
actually connected without any difficulty.

What it does have is a DHCP problem after having authenticated on the
wifi. If I manually assign an IP in the correct subnet, then it works
ok. However that is not a useable solution for the use case required.

The router configuration and DHCP setup is fine (and other wifi devices
have connected and DHCPed ok)

This could be related to the issues addressed in KB953761 (DHCP options
not recognised, when sever includes option 43). However that hotfix does
not seem to have done it initially at least, although I am currently
clarifying an issue on that.

Well troll hunters will be upset.

For some reason, I wonder if there's anyway of getting the workstation to
join a domain, and then leave it ? I have the vaguest of memories about
issues with XP images when cloned across a company I worked for that
required them to join/leave a domain to do something to "set" the
networking to make it unique.

ISTR there were (apparently mythical[1]) issues with cloned SIDs on a
domain... I don't recall a network related one though.

[1]

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...sprep-matters/

(I suppose I could create a VPN from the XP box back here ad join it to
a domain controller running in a VM, but I am sceptical that will solve
the problem)

Which leads to another question ... there's nothing else on the network
that's doing a DHCP job is there ?

The router could see a total of three devices that had DHCPed, a couple
of SWMBO's iThings, and the Eee's ethernet.

I know WinXP/NT Server 4 networks
could be jammed if another DHCP server popped up from nowhere. Which used
to happen a lot (in those days) as salespeople carried NT4 Server laptops
and their IT guys never turned off DHCP. So when they connected to our
network everything barfed.

Yup Win server really does like to be master of all things DHCP and DNS,
that's for sure!


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Cheers,

John.

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On 10/07/2019 11:14, Jethro_uk wrote:

Which leads to another question ... there's nothing else on the network
that's doing a DHCP job is there ? I know WinXP/NT Server 4 networks
could be jammed if another DHCP server popped up from nowhere. Which used
to happen a lot (in those days) as salespeople carried NT4 Server laptops
and their IT guys never turned off DHCP. So when they connected to our
network everything barfed.


Some daft ******* must have installed or enabled it- pretty sure it was
never on by default.

Jethro_uk wrote:

I vaguely recall the previous thread.
Have you got any devices using WiFi with this router working *as I type* ?

Remembering the previous thread, is the "dodgy" laptop the only device
running WinXP?

On 07/07/2019 10:43, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

I vaguely recall the previous thread.
Have you got any devices using WiFi with this router working *as I
type* ?

Remembering the previous thread, is the "dodgy" laptop the only device
running WinXP?

No, most are but I also have a laptop rarely used that has xp and works ok.

"ss" wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2019 10:43, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

I vaguely recall the previous thread.
Have you got any devices using WiFi with this router working *as I type*
?

Remembering the previous thread, is the "dodgy" laptop the only device
running WinXP?

No, most are but I also have a laptop rarely used that has xp and works
ok.

XP can be very unhelpful error message wise when the problem
is as basic as the password failing because you have failed to
save it in the router and the router has been power cycled.

On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 04:34:36 +1000, Jack98, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote

No, most are but I also have a laptop rarely used that has xp and works
ok.

XP can be very

Looks like you feel you are in ss's killfile, eh, you nym-shifting senile
trolling asshole? G

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On 07/07/2019 19:34, Jack98 wrote:


"ss" wrote in message
...
On 07/07/2019 10:43, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

I vaguely recall the previous thread.
Have you got any devices using WiFi with this router working *as I
type* ?

Remembering the previous thread, is the "dodgy" laptop the only
device running WinXP?

No, most are but I also have a laptop rarely used that has xp and
works ok.

XP can be very unhelpful error message wise when the problem
is as basic as the password failing because you have failed to
save it in the router and the router has been power cycled.

On one of my XP laptops, it is necessary to run services.msc
from command.com and then page down to turn on networking.
Sorry, can't remember the exact details because it's under
a great pile of junk at the moment.